Haynes: Giannis, Bucks Meeting Next Week to Discuss the Direction of the Team

[Ron Swanson]

Did I just read that OKC's 5th, 6th, and 7th best role-players and 3-4 protected picks "should be enough" for Giannis? That's a troll post right?

Cam Johnson
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This is what 34-year old Kevin Durant ultimately fetched just 2-years ago (if you wanna replace the Knicks picks with Mikal Bridges to make it look tidier, then fine). I find it more helpful to lay it out this way as a means to illustrate how truly disconnected some of these Giannis "trade offers" are from reality. No, withholding your 2-3 best assets/prospects and just throwing out your roster/salary chaff, and 3-4 lightly protected 1st round picks aren't going to cut it. There's no meaningful discussion to be had if we're going to continue treating Giannis like he's a Jrue Holiday or Mikal Bridges trade asset. Be serious.

[TeamTragic]

Did I just read that OKC's 5th, 6th, and 7th best role-players and 3-4 protected picks "should be enough" for Giannis? That's a troll post right?

Cam Johnson
2023 unprotected PHX 1st
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This is what 34-year old Kevin Durant ultimately fetched just 2-years ago (if you wanna replace the Knicks picks with Mikal Bridges to make it look tidier, then fine). I find it more helpful to lay it out this way as a means to illustrate how truly disconnected some of these Giannis "trade offers" are from reality. No, withholding your 2-3 best assets/prospects and just throwing out your roster/salary chaff, and 3-4 lightly protected 1st round picks aren't going to cut it. There's no meaningful discussion to be had if we're going to continue treating Giannis like he's a Jrue Holiday or Mikal Bridges trade asset. Be serious.

I would argue that Giannis would net the biggest haul in recent history.

However you have to remember that the team that would be getting him still needs to put a competent team around him.

Otherwise Giannis would be in the same boat as he is right now on the Bucks.

[LarsV8]

Did I just read that OKC's 5th, 6th, and 7th best role-players and 3-4 protected picks "should be enough" for Giannis? That's a troll post right?

Cam Johnson
2023 unprotected PHX 1st
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2028 Knicks pick swap
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2028 MIL 2nd
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This is what 34-year old Kevin Durant ultimately fetched just 2-years ago (if you wanna replace the Knicks picks with Mikal Bridges to make it look tidier, then fine). I find it more helpful to lay it out this way as a means to illustrate how truly disconnected some of these Giannis "trade offers" are from reality. No, withholding your 2-3 best assets/prospects and just throwing out your roster/salary chaff, and 3-4 lightly protected 1st round picks aren't going to cut it. There's no meaningful discussion to be had if we're going to continue treating Giannis like he's a Jrue Holiday or Mikal Bridges trade asset. Be serious.

What did Luka Doncic return?

What did Kawhi Leonard return?

And regarding the Kevin Durant return, it is now fairly obvious that Phoenix wildly overpaid and it landed them in one of the bleakest situations in the entire NBA. That example is probably more a cautionary tale than support for your argument.

[MoreyWins]

Those Phoenix picks were projected to fall in the late 20s when the KD trade was made, which is way easier to part ways with than potential lottery picks. 3 lottery picks are better than 5 or 6 picks in the late 20s.

[basketballRob]

Orlando gets the middle pick between Washington, Phoenix, and Orlando next season. If Washington is 1 and Phoenix is 2, then the #2 pick will go to Orlando.

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[Dan Z]

Did I just read that OKC's 5th, 6th, and 7th best role-players and 3-4 protected picks "should be enough" for Giannis? That's a troll post right?

Cam Johnson
2023 unprotected PHX 1st
2025 unprotected PHX 1st
2027 unprotected PHX 1st
2028 PHX pick swap
2029 unprotected PHX 1st
2025 Top-4 protected MIL 1st
2025 unprotected Knicks 1st
2027 unprotected Knicks 1st
2028 Knicks pick swap
2029 unprotected Knicks 1st
2031 unprotected Knicks 1st
2028 MIL 2nd
2029 MIL 2nd

This is what 34-year old Kevin Durant ultimately fetched just 2-years ago (if you wanna replace the Knicks picks with Mikal Bridges to make it look tidier, then fine). I find it more helpful to lay it out this way as a means to illustrate how truly disconnected some of these Giannis "trade offers" are from reality. No, withholding your 2-3 best assets/prospects and just throwing out your roster/salary chaff, and 3-4 lightly protected 1st round picks aren't going to cut it. There's no meaningful discussion to be had if we're going to continue treating Giannis like he's a Jrue Holiday or Mikal Bridges trade asset. Be serious.

Part of it is that the Bucks need to get a haul for him because the team could be stuck in a bad situation for years. If they can't get a haul then they may as well keep him.

[Ron Swanson]

Did I just read that OKC's 5th, 6th, and 7th best role-players and 3-4 protected picks "should be enough" for Giannis? That's a troll post right?

Cam Johnson
2023 unprotected PHX 1st
2025 unprotected PHX 1st
2027 unprotected PHX 1st
2028 PHX pick swap
2029 unprotected PHX 1st
2025 Top-4 protected MIL 1st
2025 unprotected Knicks 1st
2027 unprotected Knicks 1st
2028 Knicks pick swap
2029 unprotected Knicks 1st
2031 unprotected Knicks 1st
2028 MIL 2nd
2029 MIL 2nd

This is what 34-year old Kevin Durant ultimately fetched just 2-years ago (if you wanna replace the Knicks picks with Mikal Bridges to make it look tidier, then fine). I find it more helpful to lay it out this way as a means to illustrate how truly disconnected some of these Giannis "trade offers" are from reality. No, withholding your 2-3 best assets/prospects and just throwing out your roster/salary chaff, and 3-4 lightly protected 1st round picks aren't going to cut it. There's no meaningful discussion to be had if we're going to continue treating Giannis like he's a Jrue Holiday or Mikal Bridges trade asset. Be serious.

What did Luka Doncic return?

And there it is. The ultimate excuse that empowers posters to make laughably low-ball trade offers for a Top-3 superstar and expect any sort of good faith discussion the other way. Simply because a team made arguably the worst trade in NBA history 3-months ago has no bearing on what a theoretical Giannis trade would command.

[Raps in 4]

Yeah I see the Pelicans as a dark horse trade destination and I at least see one of Blazers or Pelicans being involved in a Giannis trade if both parties ever get there.

New Orleans probably wouldn't be on his list. He's already said he likes a tax-free state and enjoys Florida cities. So it's between Miami and Orlando. Orlando has like 9 tradeable first round picks and 11 second round picks.

I think Booker fits the Magic better if they decide to go all in.

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That’s all well and good but if the Pelicans can put out a better off than whatever teams Giannis has on his list, the Bucks will trade him and there’s not much Giannis can do. Agree with you about Booker btw.

Can they though?

SAS, Houston, Orlando, and OKC can all put together better offers than NOP. Hell, they can put together better offers than any other team in the NBA.

[wegotthabeet]

Did I just read that OKC's 5th, 6th, and 7th best role-players and 3-4 protected picks "should be enough" for Giannis? That's a troll post right?

Cam Johnson
2023 unprotected PHX 1st
2025 unprotected PHX 1st
2027 unprotected PHX 1st
2028 PHX pick swap
2029 unprotected PHX 1st
2025 Top-4 protected MIL 1st
2025 unprotected Knicks 1st
2027 unprotected Knicks 1st
2028 Knicks pick swap
2029 unprotected Knicks 1st
2031 unprotected Knicks 1st
2028 MIL 2nd
2029 MIL 2nd

This is what 34-year old Kevin Durant ultimately fetched just 2-years ago (if you wanna replace the Knicks picks with Mikal Bridges to make it look tidier, then fine). I find it more helpful to lay it out this way as a means to illustrate how truly disconnected some of these Giannis "trade offers" are from reality. No, withholding your 2-3 best assets/prospects and just throwing out your roster/salary chaff, and 3-4 lightly protected 1st round picks aren't going to cut it. There's no meaningful discussion to be had if we're going to continue treating Giannis like he's a Jrue Holiday or Mikal Bridges trade asset. Be serious.

What did Luka Doncic return?

What did Kawhi Leonard return?

And regarding the Kevin Durant return, it is now fairly obvious that Phoenix wildly overpaid and it landed them in one of the bleakest situations in the entire NBA. That example is probably more a cautionary tale than support for your argument.

Plus Bridges yielded about two more picks than he was worth. It’s pretty distorted to use this as the template for a Gianni trade.

[MoreyWins]

The Simmons pod had Ben Thompson on to talk about Giannis trades from a Milwaukee perspective. He's so insufferable. He's down on Mobley, down on Amen, down on Jabari. It sounds like he expects '85 Jordan and multiple guaranteed top 5 picks for Giannis and for the Bucks to be in a position to contend for a title while their picks are owned by other teams.

[Profound23]

The media "the era of Superteams is over"

The same media "here are the ways Giannis can land with Warriors, Lakers, or Thunder."

[Bernman]

The Simmons pod had Ben Thompson on to talk about Giannis trades from a Milwaukee perspective. He's so insufferable. He's down on Mobley, down on Amen, down on Jabari. It sounds like he expects '85 Jordan and multiple guaranteed top 5 picks for Giannis and for the Bucks to be in a position to contend for a title while their picks are owned by other teams.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. You guys are insufferable in your coveting of Giannis while not having to sacrifice hardly anything to get him. Then Ben and co. are insufferable as a response and need to point out what should be obvious, which is that Mobley and Thompson are inferior to arguably the best player in the game. And there's even reticence to trade them. Well then what's the point in bringing it up?

[ocelot17]

The Simmons pod had Ben Thompson on to talk about Giannis trades from a Milwaukee perspective. He's so insufferable. He's down on Mobley, down on Amen, down on Jabari. It sounds like he expects '85 Jordan and multiple guaranteed top 5 picks for Giannis and for the Bucks to be in a position to contend for a title while their picks are owned by other teams.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. You guys are insufferable in your coveting of Giannis while not having to sacrifice hardly anything to get him. Then Ben and co. are insufferable as a response and need to point out what should be obvious, which is that Mobley and Thompson are inferior to arguably the best player in the game. And there's even reticence to trade them. Well then what's the point in bringing it up?

Teams that trade away their superstars never get fair or equal value. That’s just how it’s always been. Beggars can’t be choosers.

[Pointgod]

New Orleans probably wouldn't be on his list. He's already said he likes a tax-free state and enjoys Florida cities. So it's between Miami and Orlando. Orlando has like 9 tradeable first round picks and 11 second round picks.

I think Booker fits the Magic better if they decide to go all in.

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That’s all well and good but if the Pelicans can put out a better off than whatever teams Giannis has on his list, the Bucks will trade him and there’s not much Giannis can do. Agree with you about Booker btw.

Can they though?

SAS, Houston, Orlando, and OKC can all put together better offers than NOP. Hell, they can put together better offers than any other team in the NBA.

The Bucks’ own picks back are more valuable than protected picks potentially in the 20’s. If New Orleans stats with Zion and the 26 pick swap and 27 pick back that’s an offer that’s closer to Giannis’ value than a pick heavy package without actual talent. I agree though if those teams put their best offers out then New Orleans probably can’t compete but theres no reason to think they’ll put out their best offers.

[Pointgod]

Did I just read that OKC's 5th, 6th, and 7th best role-players and 3-4 protected picks "should be enough" for Giannis? That's a troll post right?

Cam Johnson
2023 unprotected PHX 1st
2025 unprotected PHX 1st
2027 unprotected PHX 1st
2028 PHX pick swap
2029 unprotected PHX 1st
2025 Top-4 protected MIL 1st
2025 unprotected Knicks 1st
2027 unprotected Knicks 1st
2028 Knicks pick swap
2029 unprotected Knicks 1st
2031 unprotected Knicks 1st
2028 MIL 2nd
2029 MIL 2nd

This is what 34-year old Kevin Durant ultimately fetched just 2-years ago (if you wanna replace the Knicks picks with Mikal Bridges to make it look tidier, then fine). I find it more helpful to lay it out this way as a means to illustrate how truly disconnected some of these Giannis "trade offers" are from reality. No, withholding your 2-3 best assets/prospects and just throwing out your roster/salary chaff, and 3-4 lightly protected 1st round picks aren't going to cut it. There's no meaningful discussion to be had if we're going to continue treating Giannis like he's a Jrue Holiday or Mikal Bridges trade asset. Be serious.

No people are that brain dead

[Profound23]

That’s all well and good but if the Pelicans can put out a better off than whatever teams Giannis has on his list, the Bucks will trade him and there’s not much Giannis can do. Agree with you about Booker btw.

Can they though?

SAS, Houston, Orlando, and OKC can all put together better offers than NOP. Hell, they can put together better offers than any other team in the NBA.

The Bucks’ own picks back are more valuable than protected picks potentially in the 20’s. If New Orleans stats with Zion and the 26 pick swap and 27 pick back that’s an offer that’s closer to Giannis’ value than a pick heavy package without actual talent. I agree though if those teams put their best offers out then New Orleans probably can’t compete but theres no reason to think they’ll put out their best offers.

If Giannis wants out, only way I see New Orleans being a potential destination is they are able to include Portland and the Bucks receive all of their future picks back plus a player or two. I just don't see that being Giannis' destination though. If he is going to leave Milwaukee I think Giannis would rather go to a contender. Going to New Orleans after they traded a bunch of assets and players would be worse than staying in Milwaukee.

Part of why I don't think Giannis goes anywhere. Any team that trades for him has to give up so much that it depletes their team. OKC might be able to but if they win it this year, why would they make a change like that?

[morosis]

my sense is that what MIL gets back depends on how badly Giannis wants to leave, and how much control he exerts.

if theres a continuum of sorts where you could put "ill go wherever the bucks want so they maximize return" on one end, and "im willing to go scorched earth to get my way" on the other end, i think what MIL gets back in a hypothetical Giannis trade depends entirely on where he's at on that continuum.

like I look at the last couple of times Jimmy got traded, he was on the scorched earth end of the continuum, and the team that traded him got a pretty mid return. it feels safe to say that once the player starts feeling the need to control the market for his services, the return shrinks materially.

personally, idrc what Giannis and the bucks decide to do as long as he stays in the east lol. it is a fairly unique case tho. he's such a good dude and great player, a franchise icon, and it really feels like the two parties like each other. sad that he may not end up being a Buck lifer imo.

[Bernman]

The Simmons pod had Ben Thompson on to talk about Giannis trades from a Milwaukee perspective. He's so insufferable. He's down on Mobley, down on Amen, down on Jabari. It sounds like he expects '85 Jordan and multiple guaranteed top 5 picks for Giannis and for the Bucks to be in a position to contend for a title while their picks are owned by other teams.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. You guys are insufferable in your coveting of Giannis while not having to sacrifice hardly anything to get him. Then Ben and co. are insufferable as a response and need to point out what should be obvious, which is that Mobley and Thompson are inferior to arguably the best player in the game. And there's even reticence to trade them. Well then what's the point in bringing it up?

Teams that trade away their superstars never get fair or equal value. That’s just how it’s always been. Beggars can’t be choosers.

That's repeated uncritically w/out remembering history beyond the shady Doncic trade. These were much less valuable commodities than Giannis. Durant was 34 having injured his achilles previously.

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[symbiotic]

Nico Harrison being a we tard doesn't have bearing into the discussion. Nico Harrison is a dummy. A dumbass.

[jbk1234]

my sense is that what MIL gets back depends on how badly Giannis wants to leave, and how much control he exerts.

if theres a continuum of sorts where you could put "ill go wherever the bucks want so they maximize return" on one end, and "im willing to go scorched earth to get my way" on the other end, i think what MIL gets back in a hypothetical Giannis trade depends entirely on where he's at on that continuum.

like I look at the last couple of times Jimmy got traded, he was on the scorched earth end of the continuum, and the team that traded him got a pretty mid return. it feels safe to say that once the player starts feeling the need to control the market for his services, the return shrinks materially.

personally, idrc what Giannis and the bucks decide to do as long as he stays in the east lol. it is a fairly unique case tho. he's such a good dude and great player, a franchise icon, and it really feels like the two parties like each other. sad that he may not end up being a Buck lifer imo.

Jimmy was 35 and asking for another $100M, on top of the $100M he was already owed, and insisted on going to the Suns. He didn't get another $100M, or the additional guaranteed year, and he was traded to the Warriors.

In sum, Jimmy went for less because he made himself far less desirable. Giannis is 30 and is under contract for two full seasons before he has a P.O. These two situations are not the same.