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The best asset that has been on the table this entire time is that #10 pick Houston is offering. There's always a gem in that 10 to 14 range in the draft, the Suns should know since they drafted Devin Booker and Mikal Bridges there.
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MoreyWins wrote:The best asset that has been on the table this entire time is that #10 pick Houston is offering. There's always a gem in that 10 to 14 range in the draft, the Suns should know since they drafted Devin Booker and Mikal Bridges there.
Suns want a quality big man as part of the trade.
All signs do indicate that Brooklyn will be a third party in this deal with Claxton heading to Phoenix and KD (probably) to Miami.
Nets probably looking to tank again and clear up more cap space next season from what I can ascertain
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Upperclass wrote:KD is headed back to golden state. Draymond to the Pistons via PHX. Giannis to the Spurs.
This isn't 2K Bro.
Worst trade suggestion I have read yet lol
Milwaukee giving away their goat legacy player for free eh
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doogie_hauser wrote:MoreyWins wrote:The best asset that has been on the table this entire time is that #10 pick Houston is offering. There's always a gem in that 10 to 14 range in the draft, the Suns should know since they drafted Devin Booker and Mikal Bridges there.
Suns want a quality big man as part of the trade.
All signs do indicate that Brooklyn will be a third party in this deal with Claxton heading to Phoenix and KD (probably) to Miami.
Nets probably looking to tank again and clear up more cap space next season from what I can ascertain
There's still a deal there where BKN gets the 10th pick, sends Claxton and later firsts to PHX.
Houston gets KD
Brooklyn gets Jalen Green and #10
Phoenix gets Nic Claxton, Dillon Brooks, one of BKN's minimum deals, #26, #27, and #36
Houston gets their guy.
Brooklyn gets to move up in the lottery while only giving up one rotation player and their three latest picks.
Phoenix gets their starting C, starting SF, instantly becomes better on defense, and adds picks that can be used for youth depth or to move up in the draft or to consolidate into future draft assets.
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Houston. Dont want him in Miami, that ship has sailed. Neither are a good fit. NY or Minny would make the most sense though.
1. Herro 2. Bol Bol 3. Seko 4. Bruno
unless we trade up for Barrett or trade down for PJ Washington
unless we trade up for Barrett or trade down for PJ Washington
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Mr Puddles wrote:HMFFL wrote:I concur.doogie_hauser wrote:I don't mind KD on the Heat but under no circumstances must they trade Ware.
Ware is the key piece. Riley won't trade him for KD but realgmers will include Ware in all of their proposals.
Sure we'll take last year's 6th leading scorer in the league off your hands, but not if it's going to cost us the 5th runner-up in ROY votes from one of the weakest rookie classes in years.
You can have Duncan Robinson though.
Eh this is quite disingenuous, Ware was a contender for ROY when he eventually got minutes by spo. Spo for whatever reason didn't decide to really play Ware until about January and even then was still reluctant to play him big minutes despite almost literally every time he and Bam were paired together they displayed very positive impact on the game.
Quite frankly I'm hoping Houston or Spurs are more desperate to nab Durant. I would be pissed if Ware got included in any Durant trade. I personally believe he has tremendous upside.
7ft, freakishly athletic, nimble, soft touch around the rim and has the potential to be formidable 3pt shooter. Just needs to be locked up in the weight room and eat at a caloric surplus plus offseason with team coaches and the kid will morph into a beast.
Fortunately Riley has always had a soft spot for dominant big men so I doubt he includes Ware in any package for Durant.
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Sign5 wrote:Mr Puddles wrote:HMFFL wrote:I concur.
Ware is the key piece. Riley won't trade him for KD but realgmers will include Ware in all of their proposals.
Sure we'll take last year's 6th leading scorer in the league off your hands, but not if it's going to cost us the 5th runner-up in ROY votes from one of the weakest rookie classes in years.
You can have Duncan Robinson though.
Eh this is quite disingenuous, Ware was a contender for ROY when he eventually got minutes by spo. Spo for whatever reason didn't decide to really play Ware until about January and even then was still reluctant to play him big minutes despite almost literally every time he and Bam were paired together they displayed very positive impact on the game.
Quite frankly I'm hoping Houston or Spurs are more desperate to nab Durant. I would be pissed if Ware got included in any Durant trade. I personally believe he has tremendous upside.
7ft, freakishly athletic, nimble, soft touch around the rim and has the potential to be formidable 3pt shooter. Just needs to be locked up in the weight room and eat at a caloric surplus plus offseason with team coaches and the kid will morph into a beast.
Fortunately Riley has always had a soft spot for dominant big men so I doubt he includes Ware in any package for Durant.
What is disingenuous about what I posted about Ware? He played 4 minutes a game less than the ROY and 2 minutes a game less runner up for ROY, not exactly earth shattering stuff. Ware also played fewer total minutes and MPG than Edey who also finished ahead of him in ROY - so I'm not seeing where this unfair treatment vis-a-vis other rookies is.
He's a fine player, but he didn't exactly set the world on fire as a rookie. I get that fan bases love shiny new things but let's not overrated the guy either.
OP posted a deal of Wiggens, Duncan, #20, Jovic and Jamie. If you don't want to include Ware to go along with that, that's fine, but then replace him with a pick or something.
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Again he wasn't playing consistent minutes like the others rookies at all especially to start the season off which matters in votes. You're just looking at raw data without knowing the context. If you go back some months before Ware got injured he was making noise.Mr Puddles wrote:Sign5 wrote:Mr Puddles wrote:
Sure we'll take last year's 6th leading scorer in the league off your hands, but not if it's going to cost us the 5th runner-up in ROY votes from one of the weakest rookie classes in years.
You can have Duncan Robinson though.
Eh this is quite disingenuous, Ware was a contender for ROY when he eventually got minutes by spo. Spo for whatever reason didn't decide to really play Ware until about January and even then was still reluctant to play him big minutes despite almost literally every time he and Bam were paired together they displayed very positive impact on the game.
Quite frankly I'm hoping Houston or Spurs are more desperate to nab Durant. I would be pissed if Ware got included in any Durant trade. I personally believe he has tremendous upside.
7ft, freakishly athletic, nimble, soft touch around the rim and has the potential to be formidable 3pt shooter. Just needs to be locked up in the weight room and eat at a caloric surplus plus offseason with team coaches and the kid will morph into a beast.
Fortunately Riley has always had a soft spot for dominant big men so I doubt he includes Ware in any package for Durant.
What is disingenuous about what I posted about Ware? He played 4 minutesa game less than the ROY and 2 minutes a game less runner up for ROY, not exactly earth shattering stuff. Ware also played fewer total minutes and MPG than Edey who also finished ahead of him in ROY - so I'm not seeing where this unfair treatment vis-a-vis other rookies is.
He missed some time due to injuries, but the minutes he got after he returned are totally normal for a rookie.
He's a fine player, but he didn't exactly set the world on fire as a rookie. I get that fan bases love shiny new things but let's not overrated the guy either.
OP posted a deal of Wiggens, Duncan, #20, Jovic and Jamie. If you don't want to include Ware to go along with that, that's fine, but then replace him with a pick or something.
https://www.nba.com/heat/news/kelel-ware-named-eastern-conference-rookie-of-the-month
Even then it's media selected award, plenty of snubbed rookie/roty candidates in the past that finished off with better careers than the majority of rookie teams.
You can devalue or see less in him all you want. It just makes little sense to package a young fresh center that has various attributes for a star likely to retire in <3 years. Who doesn't guarantee even a conference finals berth.
You may think Ware didn't dazzle much in his rookie season but the fact still remains that his skillet is hard to find in the nba period. Thus Houston, Minny, Spurs can throw suns assets for grandpa KD who couldn't even get his team into the play in with Booker lol.
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Sign5 wrote:Again he wasn't playing consistent minutes like the others rookies at all especially to start the season off which matters in votes. You're just looking at raw data without knowing the context. If you go back some months before Ware got injured he was making noise.Mr Puddles wrote:Sign5 wrote:Eh this is quite disingenuous, Ware was a contender for ROY when he eventually got minutes by spo. Spo for whatever reason didn't decide to really play Ware until about January and even then was still reluctant to play him big minutes despite almost literally every time he and Bam were paired together they displayed very positive impact on the game.
Quite frankly I'm hoping Houston or Spurs are more desperate to nab Durant. I would be pissed if Ware got included in any Durant trade. I personally believe he has tremendous upside.
7ft, freakishly athletic, nimble, soft touch around the rim and has the potential to be formidable 3pt shooter. Just needs to be locked up in the weight room and eat at a caloric surplus plus offseason with team coaches and the kid will morph into a beast.
Fortunately Riley has always had a soft spot for dominant big men so I doubt he includes Ware in any package for Durant.
What is disingenuous about what I posted about Ware? He played 4 minutesa game less than the ROY and 2 minutes a game less runner up for ROY, not exactly earth shattering stuff. Ware also played fewer total minutes and MPG than Edey who also finished ahead of him in ROY - so I'm not seeing where this unfair treatment vis-a-vis other rookies is.
He missed some time due to injuries, but the minutes he got after he returned are totally normal for a rookie.
He's a fine player, but he didn't exactly set the world on fire as a rookie. I get that fan bases love shiny new things but let's not overrated the guy either.
OP posted a deal of Wiggens, Duncan, #20, Jovic and Jamie. If you don't want to include Ware to go along with that, that's fine, but then replace him with a pick or something.
https://www.nba.com/heat/news/kelel-ware-named-eastern-conference-rookie-of-the-month
Even then it's media selected award, plenty of snubbed rookie/roty candidates in the past that finished off with better careers than the majority of rookie teams.
You can devalue or see less in him all you want. It just makes little sense to package a young fresh center that has various attributes for a star likely to retire in <3 years. Who doesn't guarantee even a conference finals berth.
You may think Ware didn't dazzle much in his rookie season but the fact still remains that his skillet is hard to find in the nba period. Thus Houston, Minny, Spurs can throw suns assets for grandpa KD who couldn't even get his team into the play in with Booker lol.
Dude, I get it, you like Ware, but you were saying I was being disingenuous when stating a fact - and I have yet seen you refute it.
Again, I have nothing against Ware, but we're judging objective value for a trade here against what OP wrote. If you don't want KD on your team, that's fine, but I was responding to a 13 cents on the dollar trade from OP - which is atleast a Ware or pick addition short from being a serious offer.
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GSW losing with KD, Curry, klay and draymond on the roster in '19 is also a fact. Luckily in life there's context and not just blanket statements. That's my point.Mr Puddles wrote:Sign5 wrote:Again he wasn't playing consistent minutes like the others rookies at all especially to start the season off which matters in votes. You're just looking at raw data without knowing the context. If you go back some months before Ware got injured he was making noise.Mr Puddles wrote:
What is disingenuous about what I posted about Ware? He played 4 minutesa game less than the ROY and 2 minutes a game less runner up for ROY, not exactly earth shattering stuff. Ware also played fewer total minutes and MPG than Edey who also finished ahead of him in ROY - so I'm not seeing where this unfair treatment vis-a-vis other rookies is.
He missed some time due to injuries, but the minutes he got after he returned are totally normal for a rookie.
He's a fine player, but he didn't exactly set the world on fire as a rookie. I get that fan bases love shiny new things but let's not overrated the guy either.
OP posted a deal of Wiggens, Duncan, #20, Jovic and Jamie. If you don't want to include Ware to go along with that, that's fine, but then replace him with a pick or something.
https://www.nba.com/heat/news/kelel-ware-named-eastern-conference-rookie-of-the-month
Even then it's media selected award, plenty of snubbed rookie/roty candidates in the past that finished off with better careers than the majority of rookie teams.
You can devalue or see less in him all you want. It just makes little sense to package a young fresh center that has various attributes for a star likely to retire in <3 years. Who doesn't guarantee even a conference finals berth.
You may think Ware didn't dazzle much in his rookie season but the fact still remains that his skillet is hard to find in the nba period. Thus Houston, Minny, Spurs can throw suns assets for grandpa KD who couldn't even get his team into the play in with Booker lol.
Dude, I get it, you like Ware, but you were saying I was being disingenuous when stating a fact - and I have yet seen you refute it.
Again, I have nothing against Ware, but we're judging objective value for a trade here against what OP wrote. If you don't want KD on your team, that's fine, but I was responding to a 13 cents on the dollar trade from OP - which is atleast a Ware or pick addition short from being a serious offer.
Also that your definition of "13 cents on the dollar" is subjective. I get it you want a haul for 37 old Durant, unfortunately most teams/fans aren't biting.
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chuck_wagon44 wrote:Looks like Rockets are out to "costs" go figure. Cheap organization does cheap things. NO surprise there.
"Let's act like we want KD until its time to pay" mentality
I dont get why this horrible post went unnoticed by everyone.
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They had Curry and Steph? Team must've been stacked.Sign5 wrote:GSW losing with KD, Curry, Steph and draymond on the roster in '19 is also a fact. Luckily in life there's context and not just blanket statements. That's my point.Mr Puddles wrote:Sign5 wrote:Again he wasn't playing consistent minutes like the others rookies at all especially to start the season off which matters in votes. You're just looking at raw data without knowing the context. If you go back some months before Ware got injured he was making noise.
https://www.nba.com/heat/news/kelel-ware-named-eastern-conference-rookie-of-the-month
Even then it's media selected award, plenty of snubbed rookie/roty candidates in the past that finished off with better careers than the majority of rookie teams.
You can devalue or see less in him all you want. It just makes little sense to package a young fresh center that has various attributes for a star likely to retire in <3 years. Who doesn't guarantee even a conference finals berth.
You may think Ware didn't dazzle much in his rookie season but the fact still remains that his skillet is hard to find in the nba period. Thus Houston, Minny, Spurs can throw suns assets for grandpa KD who couldn't even get his team into the play in with Booker lol.
Dude, I get it, you like Ware, but you were saying I was being disingenuous when stating a fact - and I have yet seen you refute it.
Again, I have nothing against Ware, but we're judging objective value for a trade here against what OP wrote. If you don't want KD on your team, that's fine, but I was responding to a 13 cents on the dollar trade from OP - which is atleast a Ware or pick addition short from being a serious offer.
Also that your definition of "13 cents on the dollar" is subjective. I get it you want a haul for 37 old Durant, unfortunately most teams/fans aren't biting.
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Upperclass wrote:KD is headed back to golden state. Draymond to the Pistons via PHX. Giannis to the Spurs.
Lol, so we get Giannis for peanuts??
Nice!
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chrisab123 wrote:TheGOATRises007 wrote:Why would KD want to go to Miami
Their roster can't contend
Why does 95% of the players want to go to Miami or LA?
No state tax
Nightlife
Endorsements
Women/Strip Clubs
Weather
That about sums it up. Not about the product on the court if it was he’d be angling to go to Minnesota.
chrisab123 wrote:Miami. He’s a superstar still. Superstars would rather play there than San Antonio or Minnesota.
95% is a pretty high %, exaggeration. Lol
But, ya. Not every NBA player is a James Harden, Zion, AD type.
We are in 2025 now BTW, not '90s - 2005 anymore.
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So rumor is suns are looking at teams not on KD list.
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Knightfall wrote:So rumor is suns are looking at teams not on KD list.
Waiting for Shams to report it. Otherwise just a rumor.
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chrisab123 wrote:TheGOATRises007 wrote:Why would KD want to go to Miami
Their roster can't contend
Not about the product on the court ......
KD just went /demanded to Phoenix years back (rising team) and demanded to go to the Bay Area (GSW) in 2017 to team up with GSW/Klay/Steph/Draymond etc.
Hardly any star players/FAs jumped to Oakland/SF in the past. It was a dump and GSW stunk forever prior to the Splash Brothers.
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Knightfall wrote:So rumor is suns are looking at teams not on KD list.
Stein reported it and think Windhorst confirmed
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MoreyWins wrote:doogie_hauser wrote:MoreyWins wrote:The best asset that has been on the table this entire time is that #10 pick Houston is offering. There's always a gem in that 10 to 14 range in the draft, the Suns should know since they drafted Devin Booker and Mikal Bridges there.
Suns want a quality big man as part of the trade.
All signs do indicate that Brooklyn will be a third party in this deal with Claxton heading to Phoenix and KD (probably) to Miami.
Nets probably looking to tank again and clear up more cap space next season from what I can ascertain
There's still a deal there where BKN gets the 10th pick, sends Claxton and later firsts to PHX.
Houston gets KD
Brooklyn gets Jalen Green and #10
Phoenix gets Nic Claxton, Dillon Brooks, one of BKN's minimum deals, #26, #27, and #36
Houston gets their guy.
Brooklyn gets to move up in the lottery while only giving up one rotation player and their three latest picks.
Phoenix gets their starting C, starting SF, instantly becomes better on defense, and adds picks that can be used for youth depth or to move up in the draft or to consolidate into future draft assets.
Nic Claxton and some late firsts for KD? By god.
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ClutchCity713 wrote:chuck_wagon44 wrote:Looks like Rockets are out to "costs" go figure. Cheap organization does cheap things. NO surprise there.
"Let's act like we want KD until its time to pay" mentality
I dont get why this horrible post went unnoticed by everyone.
He thinks about Tillman more than any person on this forum. Any way to slight him he'll find it. Whether it's talking about the practice facility, the team's finances, or moves they make. Even after the good deal that Adams signed he found something to poke at.