Why is there silence after another Jokic embarrassing defeat?

[Mirotic12]

I honestly don’t care.

I was making an observation about a completely unrelated player.

I misinterpreted your post's intent.

[Rubios]

Because Jokic did play like an ATG.

Defeat happens. It's a game where only one team wins.

[SpurNani]

Because Jokic did play like an ATG.

Defeat happens. It's a game where only one team wins.

An all time great who was almost solely responsible for 20 points given up in one 10 minute quarter, leading to a shocking defeat. Okay let's ignore defense because he put up pretty offensive stats.

[Johnny Firpo]

I also love how Jokic is the guy that can't get out of the 2nd round. Minus the years where he made the conference finals and when they won the championship. But no, apparently he's Tracy McGrady. OP, you clearly have an agenda, and spouting nonsense like it's facts. Only Jokic haters will agree with you, so a loud minority. You clearly either don't know basketball, or let your personal feelings cloud your judgement. No other explanation.

[YogurtProducer]

Because Jokic did play like an ATG.

Defeat happens. It's a game where only one team wins.

Yep. The 2019 championship Raptors lost game 1 to the Orlando Magic.

[SpurNani]

I also love how Jokic is the guy that can't get out of the 2nd round. Minus the years where he made the conference finals and when they won the championship. But no, apparently he's Tracy McGrady. OP, you clearly have an agenda, and spouting nonsense like it's facts. Only Jokic haters will agree with you, so a loud minority. You clearly either don't know basketball, or let your personal feelings cloud your judgement. No other explanation.

The only two times in Jokic's "ATG" career that he's gotten out of the first two rounds have both come under questionable circumstances.

First, it was during the 2020 bubble which everyone loves to diminish and try to belittle the bubbles legitimacy when it comes to hating on Lebron and the Lakers championship run. But Jokic gets praise and all the credit for his bubble run for upsetting the Clippers, who to this day if you asked any of the players from that Clippers team, they will tell you that they were all mentally tapped out and almost relieved when they lost so they could all go home.

And secondly, Jokic got out of the 2nd round in 2023 which ranks as the weakest championship run of this century from a competition standpoint. Jokic faced three play in teams who all had no more then 43 wins and were missing multiple key starters like Tyler Herro, Jaden McDaniels, Naz Reid. 3 guys who all have 100 million dollars contracts. And the only team Jokic faced that year that wasn't a play in team was the Phx Suns. The Suns who had 45 wins and only had KD and Booker play a whopping total of 13 total games games together before facing Denver in playoffs.

Other than those two runs in extremely questionable conditions has Jokic managed to get out of the 2nd round. Otherwise, he's been a first round and semi finals merchant.

[Nate505]

The current young American players wouldn't have won gold in 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, 2016, 2021, or 2024.

And in all honesty, they might not have even won in 1992 or 1996.

Well yeah. They would have been playing against superior American talent at the time.

[One Last Shot]

I also love how Jokic is the guy that can't get out of the 2nd round. Minus the years where he made the conference finals and when they won the championship. But no, apparently he's Tracy McGrady. OP, you clearly have an agenda, and spouting nonsense like it's facts. Only Jokic haters will agree with you, so a loud minority. You clearly either don't know basketball, or let your personal feelings cloud your judgement. No other explanation.

The only two times in Jokic's "ATG" career that he's gotten out of the first two rounds have both come under questionable circumstances.

First, it was during the 2020 bubble which everyone loves to diminish and try to belittle the bubbles legitimacy when it comes to hating on Lebron and the Lakers championship run. But Jokic gets praise and all the credit for his bubble run for upsetting the Clippers, who to this day if you asked any of the players from that Clippers team, they will tell you that they were all mentally tapped out and almost relieved when they lost so they could all go home.

And secondly, Jokic got out of the 2nd round in 2023 which ranks as the weakest championship run of this century from a competition standpoint. Jokic faced three play in teams who all had no more then 43 wins and were missing multiple key starters like Tyler Herro, Jaden McDaniels, Naz Reid. 3 guys who all have 100 million dollars contracts. And the only team Jokic faced that year that wasn't a play in team was the Phx Suns. The Suns who had 45 wins and only had KD and Booker play a whopping total of 13 total games games together before facing Denver in playoffs.

Other than those two runs in extremely questionable conditions has Jokic managed to get out of the 2nd round. Otherwise, he's been a first round and semi finals merchant.

Nuggets 2023 playoffs run might be the weakest championship run in the entire history in terms of winning percentage of the teams they beat with an average of 53% win rate during the regular season or 43.5 win-pace. 8th seed Grizzlies won 48 games last season. Warriors and Kings won 46 games in 2023 and they didn't even made the playoffs. In 10 years Jokic made the Conference Finals twice, same as Anthony Edwards and flamed out b2b game 7 elimination games as he shot the ball once in the 2nd half against the Thunder in do-or-die game and choked the biggest lead in the greatest comeback in game 7 history against the Wolves the year before.


Is this the response you are looking for?

[Wallace_Wallace]

Why did he apply for the US citizenship or something?

[Djoker]

There's a reason NBA playoff series are a best of 7... Anything can happen in one game.

[Johnny Firpo]

I also love how Jokic is the guy that can't get out of the 2nd round. Minus the years where he made the conference finals and when they won the championship. But no, apparently he's Tracy McGrady. OP, you clearly have an agenda, and spouting nonsense like it's facts. Only Jokic haters will agree with you, so a loud minority. You clearly either don't know basketball, or let your personal feelings cloud your judgement. No other explanation.

The only two times in Jokic's "ATG" career that he's gotten out of the first two rounds have both come under questionable circumstances.

First, it was during the 2020 bubble which everyone loves to diminish and try to belittle the bubbles legitimacy when it comes to hating on Lebron and the Lakers championship run. But Jokic gets praise and all the credit for his bubble run for upsetting the Clippers, who to this day if you asked any of the players from that Clippers team, they will tell you that they were all mentally tapped out and almost relieved when they lost so they could all go home.

And secondly, Jokic got out of the 2nd round in 2023 which ranks as the weakest championship run of this century from a competition standpoint. Jokic faced three play in teams who all had no more then 43 wins and were missing multiple key starters like Tyler Herro, Jaden McDaniels, Naz Reid. 3 guys who all have 100 million dollars contracts. And the only team Jokic faced that year that wasn't a play in team was the Phx Suns. The Suns who had 45 wins and only had KD and Booker play a whopping total of 13 total games games together before facing Denver in playoffs.

Other than those two runs in extremely questionable conditions has Jokic managed to get out of the 2nd round. Otherwise, he's been a first round and semi finals merchant.

Again, nonsense. Jokic faced more all-NBA, all-star, all-defensive selections during his championship run than any other player in the history of the NBA during theirs. His teams almost always overachieved in the playoffs (like this year). He won a first round with Facu and Rivers as his backcourt. Complete nonsense from you coming from a CLEARLY emotional place.

[SpurNani]

I also love how Jokic is the guy that can't get out of the 2nd round. Minus the years where he made the conference finals and when they won the championship. But no, apparently he's Tracy McGrady. OP, you clearly have an agenda, and spouting nonsense like it's facts. Only Jokic haters will agree with you, so a loud minority. You clearly either don't know basketball, or let your personal feelings cloud your judgement. No other explanation.

The only two times in Jokic's "ATG" career that he's gotten out of the first two rounds have both come under questionable circumstances.

First, it was during the 2020 bubble which everyone loves to diminish and try to belittle the bubbles legitimacy when it comes to hating on Lebron and the Lakers championship run. But Jokic gets praise and all the credit for his bubble run for upsetting the Clippers, who to this day if you asked any of the players from that Clippers team, they will tell you that they were all mentally tapped out and almost relieved when they lost so they could all go home.

And secondly, Jokic got out of the 2nd round in 2023 which ranks as the weakest championship run of this century from a competition standpoint. Jokic faced three play in teams who all had no more then 43 wins and were missing multiple key starters like Tyler Herro, Jaden McDaniels, Naz Reid. 3 guys who all have 100 million dollars contracts. And the only team Jokic faced that year that wasn't a play in team was the Phx Suns. The Suns who had 45 wins and only had KD and Booker play a whopping total of 13 total games games together before facing Denver in playoffs.

Other than those two runs in extremely questionable conditions has Jokic managed to get out of the 2nd round. Otherwise, he's been a first round and semi finals merchant.

Again, nonsense. Jokic faced more all-NBA, all-star, all-defensive selections during his championship run than any other player in the history of the NBA during theirs. His teams almost always overachieved in the playoffs (like this year). He won a first round with Facu and Rivers as his backcourt. Complete nonsense from you coming from a CLEARLY emotional place.

Sorry I'm not jumping for joy that an atg player who should have 5 MVPs managed to beat the fiercesome Damian Lillard/Ancient Carmello Anthony treadmill Blazers that one year. Even though Jokic had the team with the much better record and he was named the MVP, it's clearly a legendary achievement that should be talked about in Jokic's HOF presenter's speech to have bested the 42 win Trailblazers that one year...real David and Goliath type stuff right there...

And you say Jokic's teams have overachieved, when? Because Denver was a tough out for the super young OKC team, who mind you while super talented, hadn't advanced past the 2nd round themselves yet and was still learning how to win in playoffs? Okay. If you watched that series, Denver didn't overachieve because they should've beaten OKC who shot historically poorly outside of SGA. The series was there for the taking and Jokic had 3 undeniably bad games in that series.

[MMyhre]

I also love how Jokic is the guy that can't get out of the 2nd round. Minus the years where he made the conference finals and when they won the championship. But no, apparently he's Tracy McGrady. OP, you clearly have an agenda, and spouting nonsense like it's facts. Only Jokic haters will agree with you, so a loud minority. You clearly either don't know basketball, or let your personal feelings cloud your judgement. No other explanation.

He got out those times because Jamal Murray played like he was Kobe Bryant. No peak Murray, no party.

[MMyhre]

Because Jokic did play like an ATG.

Defeat happens. It's a game where only one team wins.

An all time great who was almost solely responsible for 20 points given up in one 10 minute quarter, leading to a shocking defeat. Okay let's ignore defense because he put up pretty offensive stats.

I think its the TikTok brain rot gen that has created this hype train. Raw stats are everything, and don't research the context like defense, opposition, teammates (Jamal Murray.) etc.

I think more credit needs to be given to Murray because Jokic clearly needs him to be a scoring god to win.

Kobe Bryant had a higher +/- in the 01 postseason than Shaq, yet everyone says he was carried because Shaq got the finals MVP's. People always seem to want to crown someone king, when sometimes two people can both affect winning at a very high level together. Murray actually had a higher +/- than Jokic in the 23 playoffs, which is kind of crazy considering Jokic is the statslord.

[MMyhre]

Lets see if Jokic can show something vs Houston and OKC next year.

[Expoking]

I also love how Jokic is the guy that can't get out of the 2nd round. Minus the years where he made the conference finals and when they won the championship. But no, apparently he's Tracy McGrady. OP, you clearly have an agenda, and spouting nonsense like it's facts. Only Jokic haters will agree with you, so a loud minority. You clearly either don't know basketball, or let your personal feelings cloud your judgement. No other explanation.

He got out those times because Jamal Murray played like he was Kobe Bryant. No peak Murray, no party.

You can look at it like that or you could say that that only times where Jokic had a second option playing well he won a chip and reached the WCF. Imagine if that happened every time he was in the post season.

[SpurNani]

I also love how Jokic is the guy that can't get out of the 2nd round. Minus the years where he made the conference finals and when they won the championship. But no, apparently he's Tracy McGrady. OP, you clearly have an agenda, and spouting nonsense like it's facts. Only Jokic haters will agree with you, so a loud minority. You clearly either don't know basketball, or let your personal feelings cloud your judgement. No other explanation.

He got out those times because Jamal Murray played like he was Kobe Bryant. No peak Murray, no party.

Yup he needs Murray to be the 26-27 PPG damn near 50/40/90 guy like he was in 20 and 23 playoffs for Jokic to get out of second round.

Those are amazing stats to have as a number one option but for a number 2, thats rare and you would struggle to find any certified number option who had more scoring support from their next best guy on any given year. But all you hear is Murray bashing from the Jokic fans.

[Mirotic12]

The current young American players wouldn't have won gold in 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, 2016, 2021, or 2024.

And in all honesty, they might not have even won in 1992 or 1996.

Well yeah. They would have been playing against superior American talent at the time.

In place of the USA teams that were at those tournaments, not in addition to them.

The next group of American players wouldn't have won gold at any of those tournaments, with the USA teams from those tournaments all not being there.

The USA is quite fortunate that it plays the next Olympics at home, and thus will have ref help (at least more than they normally get).

[knicks512]

This might be the thread that finally makes me quit the GB. How is this garbage tolerated?

[Mephariel]

The current young American players wouldn't have won gold in 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, 2016, 2021, or 2024.

And in all honesty, they might not have even won in 1992 or 1996.

Well yeah. They would have been playing against superior American talent at the time.

In place of the USA teams that were at those tournaments, not in addition to them.

The next group of American players wouldn't have won gold at any of those tournaments, with the USA teams from those tournaments all not being there.

The USA is quite fortunate that it plays the next Olympics at home, and thus will have ref help (at least more than they normally get).

We'll see. Every Olympics you are basically begging for statistics to prove you right. In a single game elimination tournament, they have to lose at some point right? You are just waiting for that moment so you can say, "See I am right." It is pathetic.

Yeah, right, we wouldn't have won in 1992 or 1996 with our players today. Even you don't really believe that.