Shams: Knicks the Only Team Giannis Desires to Play For Outside of Milwaukee; Both Teams Discussed Potential Trade

[Wolveswin]

So on the one hand Giannis isnt worth some massive haul, but at the same time not trading him sets them back decades? What?

You don’t understand getting something is better than nothing? And as much as you attempt to belittle those two, Towns/OG plus is something.

Bucks aren’t getting a blue chip youth for Giannis. Not any more.

It's never nothing because other teams will make offers, even if Giannis prefers the Knicks. Other teams will beat out a Towns/OG offer. Giannis is a top 4-5 player and maybe top 2 in the NBA...there's not only gonna be 1 bidder, no matter what Giannis says.

Name the bidders who will top that?

Magic/Hawks/Rockets/Hornets aren’t trading blue chip youth for 2 or less years of Giannis (depending on when trade happens).

Leaves win now vet teams that MAY risk it.

Reaves/Rui form Lakers.

Something around Butler from Warriors.

Wiggins/Rozier from Heat.

Clippers vets plus picks.

Show me a realistic trade for Giannis now that he has said NY or bust that tops Towns/OG plus.

[mademan]

You don’t understand getting something is better than nothing? And as much as you attempt to belittle those two, Towns/OG plus is something.

Bucks aren’t getting a blue chip youth for Giannis. Not any more.

It's never nothing because other teams will make offers, even if Giannis prefers the Knicks. Other teams will beat out a Towns/OG offer. Giannis is a top 4-5 player and maybe top 2 in the NBA...there's not only gonna be 1 bidder, no matter what Giannis says.

Name the bidders who will top that?

Magic/Hawks/Rockets/Hornets aren’t trading blue chip youth for 2 or less years of Giannis (depending on when trade happens).

Leaves win now vet teams that MAY risk it.

Reaves/Rui form Lakers.

Something around Butler from Warriors.

Wiggins/Rozier from Heat.

Clippers vets plus picks.

Show me a realistic trade for Giannis now that he has said NY or bust that tops Towns/OG plus.

Sengun+ For Giannis is a much better deal. Is OG even + value at 40mill/year in a cap conscious environment?

[Wolveswin]

It's never nothing because other teams will make offers, even if Giannis prefers the Knicks. Other teams will beat out a Towns/OG offer. Giannis is a top 4-5 player and maybe top 2 in the NBA...there's not only gonna be 1 bidder, no matter what Giannis says.

Name the bidders who will top that?

Magic/Hawks/Rockets/Hornets aren’t trading blue chip youth for 2 or less years of Giannis (depending on when trade happens).

Leaves win now vet teams that MAY risk it.

Reaves/Rui form Lakers.

Something around Butler from Warriors.

Wiggins/Rozier from Heat.

Clippers vets plus picks.

Show me a realistic trade for Giannis now that he has said NY or bust that tops Towns/OG plus.

Sengun+ For Giannis is a much better deal. Is OG even + value at 40mill/year in a cap conscious environment?

lol you are delusional if you think Rockets have Sengun on table now. I said show me realistic offers.

[mademan]

Name the bidders who will top that?

Magic/Hawks/Rockets/Hornets aren’t trading blue chip youth for 2 or less years of Giannis (depending on when trade happens).

Leaves win now vet teams that MAY risk it.

Reaves/Rui form Lakers.

Something around Butler from Warriors.

Wiggins/Rozier from Heat.

Clippers vets plus picks.

Show me a realistic trade for Giannis now that he has said NY or bust that tops Towns/OG plus.

Sengun+ For Giannis is a much better deal. Is OG even + value at 40mill/year in a cap conscious environment?

lol you are delusional if you think Rockets have Sengun on table now. I said show me realistic offers.

Ya ok. Let's live in a world where a top 3 player is on the market and teams are holding back premium pieces. Nothing is realistic for you if you think Sengun is 100% off the table

[dballislife]

lol the basketball iq in this thread is way too low...im out

[Wolveswin]

Sengun+ For Giannis is a much better deal. Is OG even + value at 40mill/year in a cap conscious environment?

lol you are delusional if you think Rockets have Sengun on table now. I said show me realistic offers.

Ya ok. Let's live in a world where a top 3 player is on the market and teams are holding back premium pieces. Nothing is realistic for you if you think Sengun is 100% off the table

Why don’t you read the title of this thread. You are in wrong thread if you think Giannis value is still top 3 player in NBA without any catches. Your head is in the sand if that is what you are thinking.

[Wolveswin]

Sengun+ For Giannis is a much better deal. Is OG even + value at 40mill/year in a cap conscious environment?

lol you are delusional if you think Rockets have Sengun on table now. I said show me realistic offers.

Ya ok. Let's live in a world where a top 3 player is on the market and teams are holding back premium pieces. Nothing is realistic for you if you think Sengun is 100% off the table

If - the world we were in - still had Giannis as attainable in trade AND he would be willing to commit to the place trading the farm for him - then yes Giannis would still be worth premium youth + like Sengun. Today we are not living in that world. That world has gone bye bye.

And more so, if Bucks play out any part of the season or worse whole season then try and trade Giannis with his new flight risk status - he will be worth even less on one year control.

The best time to trade Giannis for the premium stuff you think he is still worth was last season. Or maybe, just maybe, prior to NY or bust reality washed over Bucks fans.

[RHODEY]

Talking like what?

You seem to be delusional if you believe the Knicks have the best starting five in the league.

I see a bunch of overpaid talent that haven't even made an All-Star team and a 5 that must be motivated at all times.

In this case, you're by no means chasing a star, Giannis is a superstar, and your roster doesn't have a superstar on it.

What are you talking about? Both Brunson and Towns made the All-star team together last year as STARTERS!

The Knicks hate is unreal lol

Ah, so you pick the two players that made the all-star team? How about the rest of the talent on the team that aren't worth the money they're being paid but a certain Knicks fan on here believes Milwaukee will want them? That Knick fan believes the Bucks will want your non all-star talent.

Feel free to focus on your fellow Knick fan(s) and not me.

2 Allstars and 2 more two way players that have the potential to be allstars....I never said the Bucks wouldn't want all they could get, just mentioned that they lost some leverage and could lose more as time goes by. ...it's common knowledge that the Knicks are now one of the most talented teams league with one of the best starting 5's and a revamped bench.

I expected you to double down on bashing the Knicks,....please go right ahead..you only expose your bias when you do that.

[-Luke-]

I tried to create a deal with Portland as the third team, where OG goes to POR and the Bucks get their own draft capital back (so that JRoy can immediately dismiss it on the Trade board). But it's almost impossible to create a trade that doesn't involve Grant's or Jrue's contract (both have three years left including players options) or where POR doesn't overpay for OG.

Also, if a third team has enough draft capital/young talent to convince the Bucks, why would that team not want Giannis for themselves?

[Black Jack]

If you get offered Giannis for the future goat Sengun, no way you do that. Jokic 2.0 is just too damn valuable!

[knicksfan974]

I tried to create a deal with Portland as the third team, where OG goes to POR and the Bucks get their own draft capital back (so that JRoy can immediately dismiss it on the Trade board). But it's almost impossible to create a trade that doesn't involve Grant's or Jrue's contract (both have three years left including players options) or where POR doesn't overpay for OG.

Also, if a third team has enough draft capital/young talent to convince the Bucks, why would that team not want Giannis for themselves?

Because Giannis wants the Knicks and only the Knicks, and because the Bucks have so much respect for Giannis who brought them the championship that they are willing to deal him to a destination he wishes to go to.

[-Luke-]

I tried to create a deal with Portland as the third team, where OG goes to POR and the Bucks get their own draft capital back (so that JRoy can immediately dismiss it on the Trade board). But it's almost impossible to create a trade that doesn't involve Grant's or Jrue's contract (both have three years left including players options) or where POR doesn't overpay for OG.

Also, if a third team has enough draft capital/young talent to convince the Bucks, why would that team not want Giannis for themselves?

Because Giannis wants the Knicks and only the Knicks, and because the Bucks have so much respect for Giannis who brought them the championship that they are willing to deal him to a destination he wishes to go to.

Giannis never said he only wanted to play for the Knicks. That's what Shams said and Shams is a known mouth piece.

Dame only wanted to go to Miami and got traded to Milwaukee. Kawhi didn't want to go to Toronto and was traded to Toronto. And Giannis had one more year on his contract.

If a team offers a great deal to Milwaukee, you think Jon Horst says: "Well, that would be the best deal possible for the future of our franchise, but Giannis wants to go to New York so we take their deal"? If you honestly believe that, you are a completely delusional homer.


Edit:
It's funny how some (certainly not all) Knicks fans act exactly like Heat fans acted in the whole Dame drama.

[Knicks218]

Talking like what?

You seem to be delusional if you believe the Knicks have the best starting five in the league.

I see a bunch of overpaid talent that haven't even made an All-Star team and a 5 that must be motivated at all times.

In this case, you're by no means chasing a star, Giannis is a superstar, and your roster doesn't have a superstar on it.

What are you talking about? Both Brunson and Towns made the All-star team together last year as STARTERS!

The Knicks hate is unreal lol

Ah, so you pick the two players that made the all-star team? How about the rest of the talent on the team that aren't worth the money they're being paid but a certain Knicks fan on here believes Milwaukee will want them? That Knick fan believes the Bucks will want your non all-star talent.

Feel free to focus on your fellow Knick fan(s) and not me.

Not just two All-Stars but two ALL NBA PLAYERS and OG and Mikal Bridges are ELITE defensive wing players that any NBA team would love to have on their teams.

And when Mitchell Robinson is HEALTHY is a top Center in the league and is also an ELITE defensive player. Look at what he did to Jarrett Allen and Mobley in the playoffs alone.

It's ok to have your own opinion but don't be so bias and delusional just because you hate the Knicks. You make yourself look foolish just because of your hate.

Facts are facts.

[knicksfan974]

How I see it: Giannis has given indication that he wants to be a Knick, be it via trade or via free agency in 2027. Considering this, the longer the Bucks wait to trade him, the less his value will be for any team. including the Knicks. No team will break the bank for a 1-year / 1.5-year rental of Giannis, if he is destined to sign with the Knicks eventually. The package offered right now by the Knicks might be the Bucks' best deal.

[Wolveswin]

How I see it: Giannis has given indication that he wants to be a Knick, be it via trade or via free agency in 2027. Considering this, the longer the Bucks wait to trade him, the less his value will be for any team. including the Knicks. No team will break the bank for a 1-year / 1.5-year rental of Giannis, if he is destined to sign with the Knicks eventually. The package offered right now by the Knicks might be the Bucks' best deal.

How do Knicks clear like 60M+ for free agency to sign Giannis in 2027?

[knicksfan974]

How I see it: Giannis has given indication that he wants to be a Knick, be it via trade or via free agency in 2027. Considering this, the longer the Bucks wait to trade him, the less his value will be for any team. including the Knicks. No team will break the bank for a 1-year / 1.5-year rental of Giannis, if he is destined to sign with the Knicks eventually. The package offered right now by the Knicks might be the Bucks' best deal.

How do Knicks clear like 60M+ for free agency to sign Giannis in 2027?

Good question and it's the job of the front office to make all necessary adjustments with the roster, but again it's good to remember that Giannis always underlines the importance of winning. Who knows, maybe he would be willing to take a dramatic pay cut to be able to join the Knicks and to win the championship in New York.

[Wolveswin]

See if this works for everyone…

To Magic: Giannis/Castle/AJ Green
Magic take chance on Giannis for two years, staying in Florida (East) surrounded by perfect fitting-Giannis-type roster, but get Castle so not left holding nothing if he bolts to NY (which would need to be S&T - so get something back from Knicks).

To Bucks: Harper/Vassell/Olynyk/Isaac/2x 1sts from Spurs/1x 1st from Magic
Bucks get everything in the deal: bright shinny object in rookie Harper, restock picks cupboard and vets.

To Spurs: Banchero/Suggs
Spurs not willing to gut team for flight risk Giannis get Banchero/Suggs instead.

[Wolveswin]

How I see it: Giannis has given indication that he wants to be a Knick, be it via trade or via free agency in 2027. Considering this, the longer the Bucks wait to trade him, the less his value will be for any team. including the Knicks. No team will break the bank for a 1-year / 1.5-year rental of Giannis, if he is destined to sign with the Knicks eventually. The package offered right now by the Knicks might be the Bucks' best deal.

How do Knicks clear like 60M+ for free agency to sign Giannis in 2027?

Good question and it's the job of the front office to make all necessary adjustments with the roster, but again it's good to remember that Giannis always underlines the importance of winning. Who knows, maybe he would be willing to take a dramatic pay cut to be able to join the Knicks and to win the championship in New York.

Giannis signing as a free agent in NY has about zero chance of happening. S&T makes sense - because same players Knicks would have to dump in trade for pure cap (OG, Towns too) might as well get team Giannis is leaving something instead of nothing.

[Wooderson]

A lot of that isn’t true in reality.

1. Bucks won’t get young stars/picks/players for 2 years (or less depending on when traded) for Giannis who has NY dreams. The time to get those types of offers was summer of 2024. That shipped has sailed for Bucks. Sorry fans.
2. Letting him expire for nothing is setting Bucks organization back decades. That stubbornness sinks organizations.
3. Knicks offer of Towns/OG plus is pretty damn good. Towns should be forwarded to 3rd team for package of youth and picks. No teams are beating that offer with flight risk that is Giannis.

What needs exploring is extension and trade. But if Giannis wants NY only - that ship has also sailed.

So on the one hand Giannis isnt worth some massive haul, but at the same time not trading him sets them back decades? What?

You don’t understand getting something is better than nothing? And as much as you attempt to belittle those two, Towns/OG plus is something.

Bucks aren’t getting a blue chip youth for Giannis. Not any more.

"Something is better than nothing" is a totally different statement than "setting them back decades" if they dont make a trade at all. The latter is just ridiculous hyperbole.

[Wolveswin]

So on the one hand Giannis isnt worth some massive haul, but at the same time not trading him sets them back decades? What?

You don’t understand getting something is better than nothing? And as much as you attempt to belittle those two, Towns/OG plus is something.

Bucks aren’t getting a blue chip youth for Giannis. Not any more.

"Something is better than nothing" is a totally different statement than "setting them back decades" if they dont make a trade at all. The latter is just ridiculous hyperbole.

So you really think if Bucks let Giannis walk for nothing - lose him 2027 free agency - it doesn’t set them back for decades.