NBA protocols/Covid/Vaccine - Discussion thread

[nikster]

This tweet includes the analysis of August mortality in Israel, August is the month were ~3M booster shots were administered

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This happens to be the worst August in terms of mortality in country's history, ~30% jump in mortality compared to last 5 year average.
This is all cause mortality data in Israel for the last 21 years, most of the excess is in the 70 y/o+ group

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Notice January and February, from mid December to early march, the country was going through massive vaccination campaign, notice that the 3 deadliest months, in the deadliest year by far on record for Israel, are the mass vaccination months, with excess mortality north of 30%.
Israel was under very strict lockdown and mask mandate in January/February, and under vaccine pass regiment in August.

2021, a year where ~90% of the >16yo population has been vaccinated, is the worst year in mortality BY FAR, every month has more death than the matching month in any previous year, except for May, it's the 2nd worst, and that is when 2020 was the pandemic year.

Anyone looking at this data, and doesn't suspect Rachel Walensky is lying by saying "pandemic of the unvaccinated", should reconsider their though process.
Anyone that looks at this data, and agrees that the vaccine is safe and effective, has lots of explaining to do.

This is bad, this is VERY bad, and what's worse, this isn't covered anywhere, and the people, like mob are witch hunting those who are actually seeing through the Emperor's new clothes.

so the unvaccinated had a per capita morality rate almost 3x higher in August, this is despite the fact that the elderly and the sickest are vaccinated at higher rates so you would expect them to have a higher baseline rate of all-cause mortality. Also likely to be even higher if we were to narrow it down to only consider age groups eligible for vaccination

your just drawing incorrect conclusions from this data (your conclusions also involve ignoring all the actual studies done proving the safety and efficacy of the vaccine)

[FNQ]

Your answer is I don't know therefore it isn't doing any damage is the most unscientific approach. We have no idea if this is ultimately having an effect on
adult women's fertility it hasn't been a full year since these vaccine have been available. Plus the US is pushing to vaccinate young girls who's yet to start their menstrual cycles. How will these jabs effect undeveloped reproduction systems? How do people who run with this "the science" mantra not see the flaws in this idealism?

On top of several countries are reviewing whether to reduce the doses from 2 to 1 in younger citizens. Iceland banned Mordena "vaccine" and 3 Nordic countries have put an age cap on the jab. So to act as if there's no potential for more damage than good takes some level of looking the other way from scientific data.

No no no.

Let's be very clear here: when the medical community, medical science, say that they aren't certain, it doesn't mean they don't know. It means that they haven't had multiple controlled, peer-reviewed studies that prove their hypothesis correct. When you say you don't know, it means you really have no idea about anything. Its not the same. What we do know is that there is no actual damage being done, it is not a chronic issue, more a comfort issue.

The vaccine has been green lit for 10 months now. On September 29th, 2021, the CDC Director said this:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/29/health/pregnancy-covid-vaccine-cdc-wellness/index.html

"We are fortunate now to have extraordinary safety data with all of these vaccines. We know that pregnant women are at increased risk of severe disease, of hospitalization and ventilation," Walensky told the briefing Tuesday.
"They're also at increased risk for adverse events to their baby. We now have data that demonstrates that vaccines -- in whatever time in pregnancy or lactating that they're given -- are actually safe and effective and have no adverse events to mom or to baby," Walensky added.

So.. again, where are you getting your info? I'm just curious because this is all super easy for me to find, and finding anything contrary required very specific searches. I'd just like to know what your process is for finding data. Is it FB groups? What are they called? Google searches? What are you searching for?

And here's where you misuse airquotes: instead of quoting vaccine, maybe you should have quoted "banned":

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-has-sweden-denmark-norway-iceland-banned-moderna-vaccine-1638563

The country's Directorate of Health said on August 10 that Moderna usage in the country was low anyway and that "as there is a sufficient supply of Pfizer vaccine … the epidemiologist has decided not to use the Moderna vaccine in Iceland."

However, in a later statement released on October 12, the Directorate issued an update that read: "In Iceland, Moderna is now almost exclusively used in booster vaccinations and its use will be limited to booster vaccines 60 years and older for the time being."

Denmark has also paused its usage for people aged below the age of 18 as a precaution, Reuters reported on October 6.

The Moderna vaccine has not been banned in Finland, Sweden, Norway or Iceland.

Its use has been restricted in certain age groups in these countries while more data becomes available.

This is due to concerns of its use being linked to rare instances of inflammation of the heart muscle and inflammation of the outer lining of the heart.

However, health bodies have stressed that such risk is low.

This is absolutely fine, because Pfizer has a way better track record. But I guarantee if this happened in the States, people like you would be leading the charge for freedom of choice.

Anything else?

[Mavrelous]

so the unvaccinated had a per capita morality rate almost 3x higher in August, this is despite the fact that the elderly and the sickest are vaccinated at higher rates so you would expect them to have a higher baseline rate of all-cause mortality. Also likely to be even higher if we were to narrow it down to only consider age groups eligible for vaccination

your just drawing incorrect conclusions from this data (your conclusions also involve ignoring all the actual studies done proving the safety and efficacy of the vaccine)

Amost all of the unvaccinated deaths were in the 70+ bracket, majority of them weren;t Johnathan Isaac and Kyrie Irving, they were people too ill to take the vaccine in the 1st place.
You are the one refusing to come to terms with reality, nothing wrong with my conclusions.
deaths in COVID vaccinated are underreported, because hospital admission policy is that the unvaccinated must get test on admission, unvaccinated isn't, so terminally ill person unvaccinated will be counted as death from COVID, the vaccinated wouldn't be.

[nikster]

so the unvaccinated had a per capita morality rate almost 3x higher in August, this is despite the fact that the elderly and the sickest are vaccinated at higher rates so you would expect them to have a higher baseline rate of all-cause mortality. Also likely to be even higher if we were to narrow it down to only consider age groups eligible for vaccination

your just drawing incorrect conclusions from this data (your conclusions also involve ignoring all the actual studies done proving the safety and efficacy of the vaccine)

Amost all of the unvaccinated deaths were in the 70+ bracket, majority of them weren;t Johnathan Isaac and Kyrie Irving, they were people too ill to take the vaccine in the 1st place.
You are the one refusing to come to terms with reality, nothing wrong with my conclusions.
deaths in COVID vaccinated are underreported, because hospital admission policy is that the unvaccinated must get test on admission, unvaccinated isn't, so terminally ill person unvaccinated will be counted as death from COVID, the vaccinated wouldn't be.

Sicker patients tend to be an even higher priority for vaccination...Regardless, Where do you see the breakdown of deaths by unvaxxed/vaxxed by age? And you believe that that is such a huge number it would change the mortality rates from 3x higher in unvaxxed to being higher in the vaccinated?

You tell me Im refusing to accept reality, then refuse to accept statistics from any of the countless studies, or from any country or medical organization.

[Mavrelous]

Sicker patients tend to be an even higher priority for vaccination...Regardless, Where do you see the breakdown of deaths by unvaxxed/vaxxed by age? And you believe that that is such a huge number it would change the mortality rates from 3x higher in unvaxxed to being higher in the vaccinated?

Here, But it's in hebrew you can follow the guy I shared the tweet from, he keeps translating and sharing the numbers
https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general

You tell me Im refusing to accept reality, then refuse to accept statistics from any of the countless studies, or from any country or medical organization.

Listen, this is very simple, if the claim that the vaccine is 90+%, then this means that in Israel, in the middle of summer, should have had 6K+ dead when the regular mortality is 3.5K, they already had 4.4K dead, which is insanely high.
The claim simply doesn't make any sense.
I'm not refusing to accept reality, I look at the numbers with a critical eye, you OTOH, will take illogical numbers w/o questionin.

[MickeyDavis]

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[nikster]

Sicker patients tend to be an even higher priority for vaccination...Regardless, Where do you see the breakdown of deaths by unvaxxed/vaxxed by age? And you believe that that is such a huge number it would change the mortality rates from 3x higher in unvaxxed to being higher in the vaccinated?

Here, But it's in hebrew you can follow the guy I shared the tweet from, he keeps translating and sharing the numbers
https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general

You tell me Im refusing to accept reality, then refuse to accept statistics from any of the countless studies, or from any country or medical organization.

Listen, this is very simple, if the claim that the vaccine is 90+%, then this means that in Israel, in the middle of summer, should have had 6K+ dead when the regular mortality is 3.5K, they already had 4.4K dead, which is insanely high.
The claim simply doesn't make any sense.
I'm not refusing to accept reality, I look at the numbers with a critical eye, you OTOH, will take illogical numbers w/o questionin.

He does not provide the data I've been asking for. And if he doesnt provide the data, and you dont have another source, how are you coming to your conclusion? You say the increase deaths we see in unvaccinated (about 3x higher) is because most of the deaths are 70+. So what are the stats on those below 70? What numbers specifically are you looking at?

Blaming a rise in all cause mortality on a single issue (that has been otherwise extensively studied) isnt at all a reasonable conclusion. It could be the lockdowns, social distancing, lack of health care access, aging population, covid deaths or whatever else.

[Mavrelous]

Sicker patients tend to be an even higher priority for vaccination...Regardless, Where do you see the breakdown of deaths by unvaxxed/vaxxed by age? And you believe that that is such a huge number it would change the mortality rates from 3x higher in unvaxxed to being higher in the vaccinated?

Here, But it's in hebrew you can follow the guy I shared the tweet from, he keeps translating and sharing the numbers
https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general

You tell me Im refusing to accept reality, then refuse to accept statistics from any of the countless studies, or from any country or medical organization.

Listen, this is very simple, if the claim that the vaccine is 90+%, then this means that in Israel, in the middle of summer, should have had 6K+ dead when the regular mortality is 3.5K, they already had 4.4K dead, which is insanely high.
The claim simply doesn't make any sense.
I'm not refusing to accept reality, I look at the numbers with a critical eye, you OTOH, will take illogical numbers w/o questionin.

He does not provide the data I've been asking for. And if he doesnt provide the data, and you dont have another source, how are you coming to your conclusion? You say the increase deaths we see in unvaccinated (about 3x higher) is because most of the deaths are 70+. So what are the stats on those below 70? What numbers specifically are you looking at?

Blaming a rise in all cause mortality on a single issue (that has been otherwise extensively studied) isnt at all a reasonable conclusion. It could be the lockdowns, social distancing, lack of health care access, aging population, covid deaths or whatever else.

Again, here is the ACM is Israel in August by year
3,500 2015
3,390 2016
3,290 2017
3,512 2018
3,497 2019
4,023 2020
4,431 2021

1. There is a clear and obvius jump in august 2021, in 2020, Israel exited lockdown on May and was totally open until September, and still they didn't have this mortality.
2. This is also is NOT the case that Israel had low mortality in other months, every month in 2021 is the worst month in ACM.
3. The deadliest months in Israel by far and in historical proportions are the 3 mass vaccination months, January, February and August.
4. Israel is operating under green pass, meaing only vaccinated and negative tests are allowed into big gatherings, in July they reinstated the mask mandate.

The data does NOT fit the narrative, vaccination did not reduce mortality, it accelerated it in epic proportions.

[crkone]

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[Mavrelous]

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1st of all, in the response to him, he already showed him he's wrong

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There is clear excess mortality in this age
Not to mention that every year 70+ category grows by 30K, and it 2021 after pandemic and excess deaths, it grew by 60K, I'm callin BS on these numbers.

2nd, even if that was true, after 1st big wave in fall 2020, a horrible wave in winter 2021, there was supposed to be deficit (something happening for example in Sweden right now)

3rd, this doesn't address the elephant in the room, if the vaccine, and the vaccine mandate, we indeed effective, why is August looking like it does? This doesn't make any sense.

[crkone]

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1st of all, in the response to him, he already showed him he's wrong

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There is clear excess mortality in this age

2nd, even if that was true, after 1st big wave in fall 2020, a horrible wave in winter 2021, there was supposed to be deficit (something happening for example in Sweden right now)

3rd, this doesn't address the elephant in the room, if the vaccine, and the vaccine mandate, we indeed effective, why is August looking like it does? This doesn't make any sense.

The 65 and older population compared to the rest of the population has increased by 2% over the past ten years in Israel. That means in 2010 there was about 80% of the total 65 and older population as there is now. I mean it can't be any more clear than that.

[Sedale Threatt]

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Always a great time to break out a classic...

[Pointgod]

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[FNQ]

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Always a great time to break out a classic...

This one is going up on our wall o shame for sure

Never saw it before and very loudly lol'd

[Sedale Threatt]

Here's an avatar for some of you to use

Always a great time to break out a classic...

This one is going up on our wall o shame for sure

Never saw it before and very loudly lol'd

Truly a cartoon for our time.

[nikster]

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1st of all, in the response to him, he already showed him he's wrong

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There is clear excess mortality in this age
Not to mention that every year 70+ category grows by 30K, and it 2021 after pandemic and excess deaths, it grew by 60K, I'm callin BS on these numbers.

2nd, even if that was true, after 1st big wave in fall 2020, a horrible wave in winter 2021, there was supposed to be deficit (something happening for example in Sweden right now)

3rd, this doesn't address the elephant in the room, if the vaccine, and the vaccine mandate, we indeed effective, why is August looking like it does? This doesn't make any sense.

This speaks to your inability to actually analyze data. Why wouldnt you want to normalize data for population size? The per 100k non-covid deaths clearly show no excess mortality. I'm sure we would get similar results when we look at the rest of the data this way. This actually directly addresses your elephant in your room, that fact that you think it doesnt makes me wonder what your looking at

Sweden is around 70% vaccinated....why are they having a deficit in mortality if vaccines are the cause in Isreal?

[fishfuego.]

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1st of all, in the response to him, he already showed him he's wrong

Read on Twitter

There is clear excess mortality in this age
Not to mention that every year 70+ category grows by 30K, and it 2021 after pandemic and excess deaths, it grew by 60K, I'm callin BS on these numbers.

2nd, even if that was true, after 1st big wave in fall 2020, a horrible wave in winter 2021, there was supposed to be deficit (something happening for example in Sweden right now)

3rd, this doesn't address the elephant in the room, if the vaccine, and the vaccine mandate, we indeed effective, why is August looking like it does? This doesn't make any sense.

This speaks to your inability to actually analyze data. Why wouldnt you want to normalize data for population size? The per 100k non-covid deaths clearly show no excess mortality. I'm sure we would get similar results when we look at the rest of the data this way. This actually directly addresses your elephant in your room, that fact that you think it doesnt makes me wonder what your looking at

Sweden is around 70% vaccinated....why are they having a deficit in mortality if vaccines are the cause in Isreal?

Elephant in the room.

https://rumble.com/vn3y22-tfnt9-cdc-and-fda-vaccine-committee-members-should-resign-for-failing-to-sp.html

[FNQ]

1st of all, in the response to him, he already showed him he's wrong

Read on Twitter

There is clear excess mortality in this age
Not to mention that every year 70+ category grows by 30K, and it 2021 after pandemic and excess deaths, it grew by 60K, I'm callin BS on these numbers.

2nd, even if that was true, after 1st big wave in fall 2020, a horrible wave in winter 2021, there was supposed to be deficit (something happening for example in Sweden right now)

3rd, this doesn't address the elephant in the room, if the vaccine, and the vaccine mandate, we indeed effective, why is August looking like it does? This doesn't make any sense.

This speaks to your inability to actually analyze data. Why wouldnt you want to normalize data for population size? The per 100k non-covid deaths clearly show no excess mortality. I'm sure we would get similar results when we look at the rest of the data this way. This actually directly addresses your elephant in your room, that fact that you think it doesnt makes me wonder what your looking at

Sweden is around 70% vaccinated....why are they having a deficit in mortality if vaccines are the cause in Isreal?

Elephant in the room.

https://rumble.com/vn3y22-tfnt9-cdc-and-fda-vaccine-committee-members-should-resign-for-failing-to-sp.html

and Steve Kirsch is back in the thread. At least no one's claiming he's on the FDA advisory board this time

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2125433&start=1300#p93983909

Spoiler:

His name is Steve Kirsch. He's not a member of the FDA, he's a member of the CETF. This was a public forum, nothing he said was at all endorsed by the FDA. He was one of the groups trying to find early treatment for COVID. Here are his highlights, stop me if this sounds familiar:

- pushed for HCQ as a treatment even after numerous studies went against it
- pushes for Ivermectin
- pressured his own research teams to recommend fluvomamine
- had all 12 of his advisory board resign in May due to his "dangerous claims and alarming behavior"

https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/10/05/1036408/silicon-valley-millionaire-steve-kirsch-covid-vaccine-misinformation/

Sad descent, it appears. Ah well. A pretty good read of someone who just can't accept when they've been proven wrong. Intentions were good, but his methods were... questionable

[nikster]

1st of all, in the response to him, he already showed him he's wrong

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There is clear excess mortality in this age
Not to mention that every year 70+ category grows by 30K, and it 2021 after pandemic and excess deaths, it grew by 60K, I'm callin BS on these numbers.

2nd, even if that was true, after 1st big wave in fall 2020, a horrible wave in winter 2021, there was supposed to be deficit (something happening for example in Sweden right now)

3rd, this doesn't address the elephant in the room, if the vaccine, and the vaccine mandate, we indeed effective, why is August looking like it does? This doesn't make any sense.

This speaks to your inability to actually analyze data. Why wouldnt you want to normalize data for population size? The per 100k non-covid deaths clearly show no excess mortality. I'm sure we would get similar results when we look at the rest of the data this way. This actually directly addresses your elephant in your room, that fact that you think it doesnt makes me wonder what your looking at

Sweden is around 70% vaccinated....why are they having a deficit in mortality if vaccines are the cause in Isreal?

Elephant in the room.

https://rumble.com/vn3y22-tfnt9-cdc-and-fda-vaccine-committee-members-should-resign-for-failing-to-sp.html

Whats the relevant info here?

[fishfuego.]

This speaks to your inability to actually analyze data. Why wouldnt you want to normalize data for population size? The per 100k non-covid deaths clearly show no excess mortality. I'm sure we would get similar results when we look at the rest of the data this way. This actually directly addresses your elephant in your room, that fact that you think it doesnt makes me wonder what your looking at

Sweden is around 70% vaccinated....why are they having a deficit in mortality if vaccines are the cause in Isreal?

Elephant in the room.

https://rumble.com/vn3y22-tfnt9-cdc-and-fda-vaccine-committee-members-should-resign-for-failing-to-sp.html

Whats the relevant info here?

The same relevance info of anyone here.
Vaccine is nothing more than a deadly test.

If you are going to post, make an effort to sound intelligible