Eastern Conference | Round 1 | (4) Philadelphia 76ers vs. (5) Toronto Raptors (PHI 3-2)

[bebopdeluxe]

How big of a fine is Embiid going to get for his comments?

It has to be pretty big, doesn't it. He didn't just criticize the officials. He basically accused the NBA league office of match fixing.

if Embiid gets fined for his comments, I would love to know what Nick Nurse's running tab is.

Loved Doc's comments after the game, basically saying he's not going to be like Nurse and sit there and whine and make excuses - they just got beat.

[bebopdeluxe]

Why are Embiid and Doc being such pricks?

What a bunch of man children.

You mean when Doc said he's not going to whine and make excuses like Nurse does, and simply admit they got beat?

[ATLTimekeeper]

Why are Embiid and Doc being such pricks?

What a bunch of man children.

You mean when Doc said he's not going to whine and make excuses like Nurse does, and simply admit they got beat?

That is actually him whining about Nurse.

[Jadoogar]

Sixers are due to miss some 3s. A lot of 3s. 45.2% on the series, at least 41.9% each game. Gimme a break.

Three-point shooting has been the biggest story of the series IMO.

PHI: 12.5 open 3FGM at 46.3% (50/108) this series vs 10.6 open 3FGM at 37.3% on the season
TOR: 10.0 open 3FGM at 34.2% (40/117) this series vs 11.0 open 3FGM at 36.3% on the season

PHI: 9.5 above the break 3FGM at 46.9% (38/81) this series vs 8.3 above the break 3FGM at 35.8% on the season
TOR: 7.5 above the break 3FGM at 30.0% (30/100) vs 8.4 above the break 3FGM at 33.4% on the season

PHI: 4.3 corner 3FGM at 40.5% (17/42) this series vs 3.2 3FGM at 39.1% on the season
TOR: 3.5 corner 3FGM at 48.3% (14/29) this series vs 3.5 corner 3FGM at 39.7% on the season

Toronto's best shooters (FVV, GTJ and OG) have been mostly solid (32/91 for 35%) while Philly is being carried by some ridiculously hot shooting from Maxey/Harris/Niang (27/50 for 54%) on mostly above the break threes (21/38). Toronto's role players/bench have been good (Boucher+Achiuwa+Thad are 9/20) whereas Philly's bench players have hit nearly every look (Milton+Thybulle+Reed are 7/9).

If there is any regression to the mean to be had, it is in the form of three-point shooting. These teams were pretty equal all year long, but Philly is averaging 2.5 3FGM more and shooting 9% above their season average as a team whereas Toronto is averaging 1 3FGM less and shooting 2% below their season average. Toronto has yet to have a game where they are hot behind the arc while Philly has shot well above their average in every game.

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tbf, isn't this partly due to the raptors game plan? sending hard doubles on embiid has led to more open threes. credit to the sixers shooters for knocking them down (obviously the 7/9 isn't sustainable but the Green/Niang/Maxey are more than capable of hitting their shots)

[ATLTimekeeper]

It is the game plan. Once Danny Green cooled off Doc put him on the bench. Philly has a lot more shooting depth than Toronto and they've been playing exceptionally well. That being said, Toronto is also closing out too hard and not too smart. I saw Chris Boucher bite on Paul Reed's pump fake. Philly has so many shooters "going" that they can afford to turn down shots. The only way Toronto makes a series out of this is with a cold streak.

[JoeyLightYears]

Why are Embiid and Doc being such pricks?

What a bunch of man children.

You mean when Doc said he's not going to whine and make excuses like Nurse does, and simply admit they got beat?

That is actually him whining about Nurse.

“I’m not going to sit here and say the refs are on the take and that this was the worst game ever officiated like my friend Nick Nurse here would. I’m not going to do that.”

[Kordic27]

To be honest, fanbase to fanbase, I don't think there is much heat. There is simply a subset of Raptors fans on the GB who are insufferable - and have been that way for YEARS,

Yeah, it's the insufferable Raptor fans, and not at all the insufferable Sixer fans who are every bit as responsible for the **** these threads have been.

Both fanbases have dbags and trolls. Blaming any one side is entirely dishonest, especially when you personally have added playing victim as a form of attack, which the post above is proof of. "They've been so bad for so long that I am now entitled to constant shrieking criticism in every thread" to put yourself on some imaginary high horse.

if you want to ignore the reputation of Raptors fans on the GB having a material subset of that base being absolutely insufferable, that is fine. The rest of us, however, are keeping it 100 here.

Agree that Raptor fans have more insufferable fans here. Also more level headed ones, and in between ones. Just more fans, rather than a greater percentage of douchy fans than any other fanbase here.

[bebopdeluxe]

Why are Embiid and Doc being such pricks?

What a bunch of man children.

You mean when Doc said he's not going to whine and make excuses like Nurse does, and simply admit they got beat?

That is actually him whining about Nurse.

Not really. He is just pointing out that he is not going to whine about the refs like Nurse did. There's a difference.

But you know that.

[heatwillbeback]

No FVV tonight which isn’t too surprising given how he was quickly ruled out during game 4.

Read on Twitter

[crossroads]

You mean when Doc said he's not going to whine and make excuses like Nurse does, and simply admit they got beat?

That is actually him whining about Nurse.

Not really. He is just pointing out that he is not going to whine about the refs like Nurse did. There's a difference.

But you know that.

Doc spends about half the game with his hands in the air upset over a call/non-call. He's definitely not above complaining

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[bebopdeluxe]

That is actually him whining about Nurse.

Not really. He is just pointing out that he is not going to whine about the refs like Nurse did. There's a difference.

But you know that.

Doc spends about half the game with his hands in the air upset over a call/non-call. He's definitely not above complaining

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We are talking about postgame comments. Nurse is an ATG post game ref whiner. This is well-established. Doc basically said, I am not going to do what Nurse has done - we just got beat.

Does Doc get into it with the refs during the game? Yup,

Are you comparing what Doc does in a game to what Nurse does? Really?

[ATLTimekeeper]

Not really. He is just pointing out that he is not going to whine about the refs like Nurse did. There's a difference.

But you know that.

As soon as he references Nurse he's complaining about the complainer. That's whining. Nurse really hasn't done that much complaining. He made one comment about being in legal guarding position and two comments about Embiid hitting guys in the face. The latter is protecting his players from dirty play. If one team is playing clean and the other is playing dirty, your options are to play dirty in response or to complain to the refs to make sure no one gets hurt. The legal guarding comment is certainly whiney. For Doc to even make this dig is hypocritical and you'd think he'd have more respect for his colleague. Has Nurse ever made a snide comment about Doc?

[crossroads]

Not really. He is just pointing out that he is not going to whine about the refs like Nurse did. There's a difference.

But you know that.

Doc spends about half the game with his hands in the air upset over a call/non-call. He's definitely not above complaining

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We are talking about postgame comments. Nurse is an ATG post game ref whiner. This is well-established. Doc basically said, I am not going to do what Nurse has done - we just got beat.

Does Doc get into it with the refs during the game? Yup,

Are you comparing what Doc does in a game to what Nurse does? Really?

Yes I am. They both complain and eork the refs all game long. Nurse with exaggerated facial expressions, Doc with his arms up in the air. If you don't think they're both the same in the regard than you aren't watching objectively

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[bebopdeluxe]

Not really. He is just pointing out that he is not going to whine about the refs like Nurse did. There's a difference.

But you know that.

As soon as he references Nurse he's complaining about the complainer. That's whining. Nurse really hasn't done that much complaining. He made one comment about being in legal guarding position and two comments about Embiid hitting guys in the face. The latter is protecting his players from dirty play. If one team is playing clean and the other is playing dirty, your options are to play dirty in response or to complain to the refs to make sure no one gets hurt. The legal guarding comment is certainly whiney. For Doc to even make this dig is hypocritical and you'd think he'd have more respect for his colleague. Has Nurse ever made a snide comment about Doc?

Nurse is, in my opinion, the single worst postgame whiner about refs in the NBA...and it is not close.

[bebopdeluxe]

Yeah, it's the insufferable Raptor fans, and not at all the insufferable Sixer fans who are every bit as responsible for the **** these threads have been.

Both fanbases have dbags and trolls. Blaming any one side is entirely dishonest, especially when you personally have added playing victim as a form of attack, which the post above is proof of. "They've been so bad for so long that I am now entitled to constant shrieking criticism in every thread" to put yourself on some imaginary high horse.

if you want to ignore the reputation of Raptors fans on the GB having a material subset of that base being absolutely insufferable, that is fine. The rest of us, however, are keeping it 100 here.

Agree that Raptor fans have more insufferable fans here. Also more level headed ones, and in between ones. Just more fans, rather than a greater percentage of douchy fans than any other fanbase here.

This is fair.

[Sisqo]

Not really. He is just pointing out that he is not going to whine about the refs like Nurse did. There's a difference.

But you know that.

As soon as he references Nurse he's complaining about the complainer. That's whining. Nurse really hasn't done that much complaining. He made one comment about being in legal guarding position and two comments about Embiid hitting guys in the face. The latter is protecting his players from dirty play. If one team is playing clean and the other is playing dirty, your options are to play dirty in response or to complain to the refs to make sure no one gets hurt. The legal guarding comment is certainly whiney. For Doc to even make this dig is hypocritical and you'd think he'd have more respect for his colleague. Has Nurse ever made a snide comment about Doc?

Nurse is, in my opinion, the single worst postgame whiner about refs in the NBA...and it is not close.

Can't imagine your opinion is biased in anyway at all.

[bebopdeluxe]

Doc spends about half the game with his hands in the air upset over a call/non-call. He's definitely not above complaining

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We are talking about postgame comments. Nurse is an ATG post game ref whiner. This is well-established. Doc basically said, I am not going to do what Nurse has done - we just got beat.

Does Doc get into it with the refs during the game? Yup,

Are you comparing what Doc does in a game to what Nurse does? Really?

Yes I am. They both complain and eork the refs all game long. Nurse with exaggerated facial expressions, Doc with his arms up in the air. If you don't think they're both the same in the regard than you aren't watching objectively

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I am actually fine with saying that Doc and Nurse are the same on the court. It is in the postgame pressers where Nurse separates himself with his constant whining about the refs when they lose.

[bebopdeluxe]

As soon as he references Nurse he's complaining about the complainer. That's whining. Nurse really hasn't done that much complaining. He made one comment about being in legal guarding position and two comments about Embiid hitting guys in the face. The latter is protecting his players from dirty play. If one team is playing clean and the other is playing dirty, your options are to play dirty in response or to complain to the refs to make sure no one gets hurt. The legal guarding comment is certainly whiney. For Doc to even make this dig is hypocritical and you'd think he'd have more respect for his colleague. Has Nurse ever made a snide comment about Doc?

Nurse is, in my opinion, the single worst postgame whiner about refs in the NBA...and it is not close.

Can't imagine your opinion is biased in anyway at all.

I will freely admit that I do not have the perspective of watching every Nick Nurse postgame presser like I have with Doc. What I can say, however, is that out of the 30 games that the Sixers have lost this season, Doc has commented on the refs in his postgame presser maybe 2-3 times tops. Of the 6 games that the Raptors have lost in the last two playoff series with the Sixers, at least half of them have had Nurse whining about the refs. Now if you want to say that he is doing it to get a better whistle in the next game, and that that is part of the game, then fine. But please don't suggest that what he has done in these postgame pressers after losses is what every coach does, because it is not.

[rocketsfan100]

Time to put the extinct raptors out to pasture. The Sixers need to put this away before giving them any more hope/life

[SerialChiller]

Refs might give Philly this one just so we don't all have to witness Joel cry and have a melt down again.