Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017

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Who will dominate?

Markelle Fultz
61
12%
Lonzo Ball
60
12%
Jayson Tatum
131
26%
Josh Jackson
24
5%
De'Aaron Fox
52
10%
Lauri Markkanen
17
3%
Dennis Smith JR
53
10%
Zach Collins
9
2%
Donovan Mitchell
52
10%
Other Players
51
10%
 
Total votes: 510

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Re: Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017 

Post#1821 » by Modsdontlikeme » Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:12 pm

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Tatum's lack of speed has always been overstated. He's quicker than everyone thought and he doesn't need to be a post player, but likes to post up. He just needs to refine his timing in the post. However, he does have short arms and can get stopped offensively, but he does have post moves to counter that. In time he's going to be able to be a better scorer. One of his biggest knocks coming in was his range and whether he would be able to shoot threes consistently. Hes proven to be a better shooter than shown. I was honestly not a fan of Tatum and I thought he was a safe pick coming in. I even had him falling a little. But he has proved me wrong. He's much better than I thought and I see more upside now than I've seen before.


But we really won't know about Tatum's lack of speed until he is playing against full time NBA players. His deep shooting is real SL or not. But until he shows speee against NBA players, it is still under question. Things like Fox and Jackson's shooting are independent of going against NBA players unless you want to discuss how open they are when they shoot. The Speed of DSJ, Fox, and Jackson are not question marks.

I like Tatum. His moves and shooting shouldn't surprise anyone. I think a lot of people just never seen him play. It's like OMG Tatum can score, he is going to be a stud.....when it was known going in to most he could. He was the number 3 pick for a reason.

Edit: his true stardom will be can he be a two-way player and dominant scorer? If so, then he will be a star in the league. You won't learn that in SL


I've said this before, but I don't agree with the "summer league" excuse. You can literally watch video side by side and see that Tatum is quick for his position. You can also tell he's fluid. And yes, he can hit an open three. Does that mean he'll be able to make threes with elite defenders defending him? Probably not, but he won't be taking shots when they are. There is so much switching and mismatches now that it won't matter. And the Celtics have good players and Tatum will find himself open baskets.

Honestly I don't think you've watched enough film in general. You're talking about what you think other people think and giving your opinion based on your feelings but you're not giving any evidence.


How do I know what most think? Did you read the pre-draft boards. especially when most thought he was going at best 4 or later? Lack of speed and defense was their biggest gripe along with being an ISO (which is just plain ridiculous).

I'm saying people are genuinely surprised and hailing his scoring as if it is a surprise. He started of the season with and injury but dominated the ACC tourney. My point is, he is getting a lot of glory for something that he could already do, but most are surprised. Even the poster I quoted.
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Re: Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017 

Post#1822 » by Modsdontlikeme » Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:21 pm

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Catchall wrote:Dennis Smith has been in the league for like 10 minutes and he already looks like Bledsoe, imo.



I'm mad we couldn't get him and Tatum. DSJ and Tatum both worked out for the C's twice, Danny tried to trade to draft him. I knew he was gonna be good the first time I saw him, 2nd fav player in the draft... Obviously nothing is for sure, but fantastic talent.


Jackson was my favorite, with the hope of developing a shot. Now, if he doesn't develop a shot then I know I will be totally wrong. Based off of what players could do DSJ and Tatum were my favorites.....Fox and JJ with a **** are better two-player, as of now they are not, so Tatum and DSJ are better players at this time and it is showing up in SL. Not a fan of Fultz over Tatum (size does it for me) and DSJ (athleticism does it for me). Fultz is a stud however.
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Re: Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017 

Post#1823 » by Atmanne » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:17 pm

Mitchell is killing ****. Best game since his first in Utah.
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Re: Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017 

Post#1824 » by Catchall » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:31 pm

Five steals in the first half for Mitchell. He took at least 3 of them from Wade Baldwin.
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Re: Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017 

Post#1825 » by stitches » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:31 pm

Atmanne wrote:Mitchell is killing ****. Best game since his first in Utah.

This is where the GM goes in the locker-room at halftime and shuts him down for the SL. He doesn't belong there. No need to risk his health. He's clearly the best player on the floor. Even when his shot is not falling, he impacts the game so much in other areas.
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Re: Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017 

Post#1826 » by stitches » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:41 pm

8!!! 8 freaking steals and it's still 3d Q!
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Re: Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017 

Post#1827 » by Catchall » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:42 pm

Mitchell is passing the ball well. His teammates just can't convert much.
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Re: Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017 

Post#1828 » by stitches » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:44 pm

Catchall wrote:Mitchell is passing the ball well. His teammates just can't convert much.

He has created about 8 wide open 3s this game and we've scored on only 1 of them I think.
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Re: Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017 

Post#1829 » by dautjazz » Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:03 pm

Snyder never smiles but hes certainly smiling with Mitchell

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How old are you, just curious.

by gomeziee on 21 Jul 2013 00:53

im 20, and i did grow up watching MJ play in the 90's.
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Re: Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017 

Post#1830 » by reload141 » Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:04 pm

stitches wrote:8!!! 8 freaking steals and it's still 3d Q!


For the record, I am stoked for Utah to have Mitchell. Seems like a gun of a player.
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Re: Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017 

Post#1831 » by cksdayoff » Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:20 pm

i wish the sixers came out of this draft with fultz and mitchell or fultz and bell
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Re: Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017 

Post#1832 » by dautjazz » Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:51 pm

Damn I can see Mitchell being a starter by season's end, he's so damn good. Maybe start Gobert, Favors, Hood, Mitchell, and Rubio.

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How old are you, just curious.

by gomeziee on 21 Jul 2013 00:53

im 20, and i did grow up watching MJ play in the 90's.
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Re: Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017 

Post#1833 » by azcatz11 » Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:23 pm

dautjazz wrote:Damn I can see Mitchell being a starter by season's end, he's so damn good. Maybe start Gobert, Favors, Hood, Mitchell, and Rubio.

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Who is Mitchells' current NBA comp? I haven't seen him play at all
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Re: Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017 

Post#1834 » by Catchall » Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:34 pm

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dautjazz wrote:Damn I can see Mitchell being a starter by season's end, he's so damn good. Maybe start Gobert, Favors, Hood, Mitchell, and Rubio.

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Who is Mitchells' current NBA comp? I haven't seen him play at all


Some Eric Gordon. Some Victor Oladipo. Does a few Damian Lillard things...

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Post#1835 » by Homerclease » Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:42 pm

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Re: Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017 

Post#1836 » by melasdas » Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:46 pm

Mitchell is insane. He is DWade with 3 point shoting. He is gonna be one of the best players of this draft.
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Re: Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017 

Post#1837 » by Kalela » Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:48 pm

Catchall wrote:Some Eric Gordon. Some Victor Oladipo. Does a few Damian Lillard things...


He is a better defender than all 3 of them even at this young age. I don't know if he will ever be as good as Lillard offensively though.
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Re: Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017 

Post#1838 » by Catchall » Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:54 pm

melasdas wrote:Mitchell is insane. He is DWade with 3 point shooting. He is gonna be one of the best players of this draft.


Easy killer. DWade is HOF.
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Re: Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017 

Post#1839 » by Catchall » Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:03 am

dautjazz wrote:Damn I can see Mitchell being a starter by season's end, he's so damn good. Maybe start Gobert, Favors, Hood, Mitchell, and Rubio.

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I think the Jazz could start Mitchell at the 2 right now and just slide Hood to the 3. Bring Ingles and Exum off the bench, unless they wantt to use Exum/Mitchell to push tempo.
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Re: Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017 

Post#1840 » by Feel_the_Heat15 » Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:03 am

The only thing about Mitchell's performance that impressed was his defense. Saw almost nothing that showed me he has star potential(still possible). Not difficult to score on the fast break v. SL defenses. Was also left wide open multiple times.

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