NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (pt 2)

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Lot of words to say "he wanted the easy job"...Jokic was cooking him, and Embiid was cooking Jokic, but Jokic doesn't have the luxury of hiding on other players. He manned up the entire game. Embiid called it quits at the half and admitted defeat on the defensive end, which is fine too.

Correction, Jokic doesn't have the ability to guard perimeter forwards and then recover to the rim.


No, what Embiid did to Jokic tonight wasn't just cooking, he had that boy out there on the hibachi grill doing a full show. It was so bad that you're trying to say what Jokic did in the first half is on the same level as what Embiid did to him for the whole game

VORP boys having a tough one tonight, game been over for 7 hours and you playing harder D than Jokic did.

What Jokic did to Embiid in the first half continues in the 2nd half if Embiid doesn't beg Doc to switch off...I assume that's what happened, either that or Embiid as a franchise player has no pull in the team to say "I got the best player on the other team. I'm a great defender"...



I keep hearing "Embiid is a great defender", but why does he not guard the opponent's best big man? He took the easy way out, Jokic said "Nah, this guy is the best player on the other team I'm gonna man up and guard him no matter the result". Embiid said "I'm gonna chill on the sideline and rest for the offensive end"

All good on this end I saw Jokic fill his trophy case the last two years, Embiid needs a W once in a while...Jokic came into Philly last year down a couple max players and took the MVP out of Embiid's hands Embiid narrowed the gap with this performance, still a massive difference in MVP odds...

Btw...All Star Game is coming up, I'm excited for Embiid to hunt the All Star MVP again while everyone else takes it easy...maybe he'll get SOME sort of trophy after all Misses a good 20% of the season and goes all out for the all star game, par for the course

Lot of words.

Damn, you taking this poorly for a Spurs fan. I didn't read it, but I disagree and I seen all those smilies so I know you trying to hide the pain.

[Cubbies2120]

Correction, Jokic doesn't have the ability to guard perimeter forwards and then recover to the rim.


No, what Embiid did to Jokic tonight wasn't just cooking, he had that boy out there on the hibachi grill doing a full show. It was so bad that you're trying to say what Jokic did in the first half is on the same level as what Embiid did to him for the whole game

VORP boys having a tough one tonight, game been over for 7 hours and you playing harder D than Jokic did.

What Jokic did to Embiid in the first half continues in the 2nd half if Embiid doesn't beg Doc to switch off...I assume that's what happened, either that or Embiid as a franchise player has no pull in the team to say "I got the best player on the other team. I'm a great defender"...



I keep hearing "Embiid is a great defender", but why does he not guard the opponent's best big man? He took the easy way out, Jokic said "Nah, this guy is the best player on the other team I'm gonna man up and guard him no matter the result". Embiid said "I'm gonna chill on the sideline and rest for the offensive end"

All good on this end I saw Jokic fill his trophy case the last two years, Embiid needs a W once in a while...Jokic came into Philly last year down a couple max players and took the MVP out of Embiid's hands Embiid narrowed the gap with this performance, still a massive difference in MVP odds...

Btw...All Star Game is coming up, I'm excited for Embiid to hunt the All Star MVP again while everyone else takes it easy...maybe he'll get SOME sort of trophy after all Misses a good 20% of the season and goes all out for the all star game, par for the course

Lot of words.

Damn, you taking this poorly for a Spurs fan. I didn't read it, but I disagree and I seen all those smilies so I know you trying to hide the pain.

All good I understand ...some people struggle with reading comprehension and ability to read more than a couple sentences!

Two trophies vs. 1 regular season big performance...lots of pain!

[NoDopeOnSundays]

lots of pain!

Obviously.

You got more posts in this thread than actual Nuggets fans, this one game got you in overdrive too. I stopped in cause I knew some VORP boys would be in their feelings, and I was right, thank you for rising to the occasion.

[Mickey8]

That's easy, he was guarding Gordon so he could come over and help and then recover. If Jokic had defensive versatility you could put him on a perimeter tweener 3/4 and have Gordon on Embiid, with Jokic providing help off of Tucker, but he can't closeout to the 3 point line, recover and then guard the rim. You can only put him on another center, or some paint based player that doesn't shoot and can't attack closeouts.


And if Jokic was "cooking" Embiid in the first half, what do you call what Embiid did to him for the whole game?

Lot of words to say "he wanted the easy job"...Jokic was cooking him, and Embiid was cooking Jokic, but Jokic doesn't have the luxury of hiding on other players. He manned up the entire game. Embiid called it quits at the half and admitted defeat on the defensive end, which is fine too.

Correction, Jokic doesn't have the ability to guard perimeter forwards and then recover to the rim.


No, what Embiid did to Jokic tonight wasn't just cooking, he had that boy out there on the hibachi grill doing a full show. It was so bad that you're trying to say what Jokic did in the first half is on the same level as what Embiid did to him for the whole game

VORP boys having a tough one tonight, game been over for 7 hours and you playing harder D than Jokic did.

He made bunch of jump shots that went in last night , good for him. He won one duel in January on his court , still not the proof that he's the better player than Jokic It was more of Jokic beating himself by being moody and not countering back.

[CobraCommander]

This game should give Embiid fans some hope that he is one of the MVP candidates behind jokic with Luka, Giannis, Tatum, KD and Curry… you know - just like last week and the week before.

One thing for certain - one of these guys took this serious and wanted to prove a point and the other one thought - it’s Saturday “who we playing”?:..

Hint on who took it personally - the guy that avg 21 fga went out there are put up 31 SHOTS

The other guy puts up 15 FGA a game and put up 12… and made 8 of those..: you know - “I’m not trying to force it and prove a point cause I got 2 MOSTvaluable player awards by playing my way… I’m not gonna change today -

It’s a good game but doesn’t change much for me…. I don’t expect Jokic to attempt to go get numbers against his rivals because honestly he doesn’t really see Embiid as a rival- his only real rival is probably Giannis because he has two MVPs too and a chip. And maybe the other guys like KD, Curry and the ones that have MVPs and rings… but Embiid is an upstart and is trying to pull himself into the convoy.


Honestly tho… I love that Embiid took this personally and I love that Jokic didn’t… it suits them both.

Embiid like “SEE I am as good as him”

Jokic is like - “yeah Embiid is pretty good… I wish we won tonight - we have a lot to work on if we want a ring”

Perfect

[Heej]

This game should give Embiid fans some hope that he is one of the MVP candidates behind jokic with Luka, Giannis, Tatum, KD and Curry… you know - just like last week and the week before.

One thing for certain - one of these guys took this serious and wanted to prove a point and the other one thought - it’s Saturday “who we playing”?:..

Hint on who took it personally - the guy that avg 21 fga went out there are put up 31 SHOTS

The other guy puts up 15 FGA a game and put up 12… and made 8 of those..: you know - “I’m not trying to force it and prove a point cause I got 2 MOSTvaluable player awards by playing my way… I’m not gonna change today -

It’s a good game but doesn’t change much for me…. I don’t expect Jokic to attempt to go get numbers against his rivals because honestly he doesn’t really see Embiid as a rival- his only real rival is probably Giannis because he has two MVPs too and a chip. And maybe the other guys like KD, Curry and the ones that have MVPs and rings… but Embiid is an upstart and is trying to pull himself into the convoy.


Honestly tho… I love that Embiid took this personally and I love that Jokic didn’t… it suits them both.

Embiid like “SEE I am as good as him”

Jokic is like - “yeah Embiid is pretty good… I wish we won tonight - we have a lot to work on if we want a ring”

Perfect

This is a really good take. I feel like the only guy Jokic has his sights set on his Curry in order to get revenge on him, and LeBron/AD as payback for the bubble. Jokic knows he's that guy.

[Purch]

This game should give Embiid fans some hope that he is one of the MVP candidates behind jokic with Luka, Giannis, Tatum, KD and Curry… you know - just like last week and the week before.

One thing for certain - one of these guys took this serious and wanted to prove a point and the other one thought - it’s Saturday “who we playing”?:..

Hint on who took it personally - the guy that avg 21 fga went out there are put up 31 SHOTS

The other guy puts up 15 FGA a game and put up 12… and made 8 of those..: you know - “I’m not trying to force it and prove a point cause I got 2 MOSTvaluable player awards by playing my way… I’m not gonna change today -

It’s a good game but doesn’t change much for me…. I don’t expect Jokic to attempt to go get numbers against his rivals because honestly he doesn’t really see Embiid as a rival- his only real rival is probably Giannis because he has two MVPs too and a chip. And maybe the other guys like KD, Curry and the ones that have MVPs and rings… but Embiid is an upstart and is trying to pull himself into the convoy.


Honestly tho… I love that Embiid took this personally and I love that Jokic didn’t… it suits them both.

Embiid like “SEE I am as good as him”

Jokic is like - “yeah Embiid is pretty good… I wish we won tonight - we have a lot to work on if we want a ring”

Perfect

This is a really good take. I feel like the only guy Jokic has his sights set on his Curry in order to get revenge on him, and LeBron/AD as payback for the bubble. Jokic knows he's that guy.

What part of that was a good take? It implies that Embiid only took a lot of shots because he was facing Jokic, and completely ignores the fact that the 76ers were down double digits and weren't generating anything offensively. The reason Embiid took so many shots is because anything less would have led to a Philly loss.


What a silly take. What do people expect from a star when their team is getting dominated? To step up and take over the game.

All this other bs is just weird ways to try and diminish a great performance with the tride and true "The other guy wasn't trying" defense.

[Heej]

This game should give Embiid fans some hope that he is one of the MVP candidates behind jokic with Luka, Giannis, Tatum, KD and Curry… you know - just like last week and the week before.

One thing for certain - one of these guys took this serious and wanted to prove a point and the other one thought - it’s Saturday “who we playing”?:..

Hint on who took it personally - the guy that avg 21 fga went out there are put up 31 SHOTS

The other guy puts up 15 FGA a game and put up 12… and made 8 of those..: you know - “I’m not trying to force it and prove a point cause I got 2 MOSTvaluable player awards by playing my way… I’m not gonna change today -

It’s a good game but doesn’t change much for me…. I don’t expect Jokic to attempt to go get numbers against his rivals because honestly he doesn’t really see Embiid as a rival- his only real rival is probably Giannis because he has two MVPs too and a chip. And maybe the other guys like KD, Curry and the ones that have MVPs and rings… but Embiid is an upstart and is trying to pull himself into the convoy.


Honestly tho… I love that Embiid took this personally and I love that Jokic didn’t… it suits them both.

Embiid like “SEE I am as good as him”

Jokic is like - “yeah Embiid is pretty good… I wish we won tonight - we have a lot to work on if we want a ring”

Perfect

This is a really good take. I feel like the only guy Jokic has his sights set on his Curry in order to get revenge on him, and LeBron/AD as payback for the bubble. Jokic knows he's that guy.

What part of that was a good take? It implies that Embiid only took a lot of shots because he was facing Jokic, and completely ignores the fact that the 76ers were down double digits and weren't generating anything offensively. The reason Embiid took so many shots is because anything less would have led to a Philly loss.


What a silly take. What do people expect from a star when their team is getting dominated? To step up and take over the game.

All this other bs is just weird ways to try and diminish a great performance with the tride and true "The other guy wasn't trying" defense.

Because Embiid is clearly insecure about it just like his fans.

[Purch]

This is a really good take. I feel like the only guy Jokic has his sights set on his Curry in order to get revenge on him, and LeBron/AD as payback for the bubble. Jokic knows he's that guy.

What part of that was a good take? It implies that Embiid only took a lot of shots because he was facing Jokic, and completely ignores the fact that the 76ers were down double digits and weren't generating anything offensively. The reason Embiid took so many shots is because anything less would have led to a Philly loss.


What a silly take. What do people expect from a star when their team is getting dominated? To step up and take over the game.

All this other bs is just weird ways to try and diminish a great performance with the tride and true "The other guy wasn't trying" defense.

Because Embiid is clearly insecure about it just like his fans.

I don't understand what you would have expected Embiid or any star for that matter to do in that situation? He increased his shot attempts to give his team the best chance of winning.

What are with these silly takes. Has everyone just forgotten the sixers were down double digits, and badly needed offense.

[B-easy]

For me, Embiid has moved ahead of Tatum now for the No 2 spot.

[phifans]

This game should give Embiid fans some hope that he is one of the MVP candidates behind jokic with Luka, Giannis, Tatum, KD and Curry… you know - just like last week and the week before.

One thing for certain - one of these guys took this serious and wanted to prove a point and the other one thought - it’s Saturday “who we playing”?:..

Hint on who took it personally - the guy that avg 21 fga went out there are put up 31 SHOTS

The other guy puts up 15 FGA a game and put up 12… and made 8 of those..: you know - “I’m not trying to force it and prove a point cause I got 2 [b]MOSTvaluable player awards by playing my way… I’m not gonna change today -
[/b]
It’s a good game but doesn’t change much for me…. I don’t expect Jokic to attempt to go get numbers against his rivals because honestly he doesn’t really see Embiid as a rival- his only real rival is probably Giannis because he has two MVPs too and a chip. And maybe the other guys like KD, Curry and the ones that have MVPs and rings… but Embiid is an upstart and is trying to pull himself into the convoy.


Honestly tho… I love that Embiid took this personally and I love that Jokic didn’t… it suits them both.

Embiid like “SEE I am as good as him”

Jokic is like - “yeah Embiid is pretty good… I wish we won tonight - we have a lot to work on if we want a ring”

Perfect

Like you said it's just one game. You lose it then so be it no need to make such a weak excuse for one lost ...

BTW Jokic took 26 fga against Charlotte Hornets he must took it personally huh ?

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Giannis keeping in it. Jokic has a huge lead but 4-5 guys are playing well enough to be right there if jokic struggles or gets injured down the strench

[CobraCommander]

What part of that was a good take? It implies that Embiid only took a lot of shots because he was facing Jokic, and completely ignores the fact that the 76ers were down double digits and weren't generating anything offensively. The reason Embiid took so many shots is because anything less would have led to a Philly loss.


What a silly take. What do people expect from a star when their team is getting dominated? To step up and take over the game.

All this other bs is just weird ways to try and diminish a great performance with the tride and true "The other guy wasn't trying" defense.

Because Embiid is clearly insecure about it just like his fans.

I don't understand what you would have expected Embiid or any star for that matter to do in that situation? He increased his shot attempts to give his team the best chance of winning.

What are with these silly takes. Has everyone just forgotten the sixers were down double digits, and badly needed offense.

Embiid goes out there and has a good game- no one said otherwise - yet y’all get at us for saying Embiid clearly was out there trying to prove a point while Jokic wasn’t - like it wasn’t obvious in how Embiid was playing that this meant more to him than normal and that Jokic was just doing his thing- jokic took less shots than normal and Embiid toook wayyyyg more and I’m wrong lol ok

[CobraCommander]

This game should give Embiid fans some hope that he is one of the MVP candidates behind jokic with Luka, Giannis, Tatum, KD and Curry… you know - just like last week and the week before.

One thing for certain - one of these guys took this serious and wanted to prove a point and the other one thought - it’s Saturday “who we playing”?:..

Hint on who took it personally - the guy that avg 21 fga went out there are put up 31 SHOTS

The other guy puts up 15 FGA a game and put up 12… and made 8 of those..: you know - “I’m not trying to force it and prove a point cause I got 2 [b]MOSTvaluable player awards by playing my way… I’m not gonna change today -
[/b]
It’s a good game but doesn’t change much for me…. I don’t expect Jokic to attempt to go get numbers against his rivals because honestly he doesn’t really see Embiid as a rival- his only real rival is probably Giannis because he has two MVPs too and a chip. And maybe the other guys like KD, Curry and the ones that have MVPs and rings… but Embiid is an upstart and is trying to pull himself into the convoy.


Honestly tho… I love that Embiid took this personally and I love that Jokic didn’t… it suits them both.

Embiid like “SEE I am as good as him”

Jokic is like - “yeah Embiid is pretty good… I wish we won tonight - we have a lot to work on if we want a ring”

Perfect

Like you said it's just one game. You lose it then so be it no need to make such a weak excuse for one lost ...

BTW Jokic took 26 fga against Charlotte Hornets he must took it personally huh ?

You dug deep to pull that one lol -

All things not equal and you know it bro lol

It’s almost like jokic did the reverse uno card by only shooting a few times.:/. But you gotta win the game Jokic - lol

[BoatsNZones]

That was Embiid's superbowl. He was asking about the game and whether Jokic would be playing weeks in advance (this was documented on I think the Lowe Post podcast last week). Jokic doesn't care about Embiid or the MVP.

What Embiid has proven to care about is social media and hype and his glory. Jokic literally doesn't have a social media account. We're talking about two very different humans here.

And no, Embiid has zero chance to win MVP if the voting remotely resembles past results. He's already sat himself out of that award once again.

[baldur]

That was Embiid's superbowl. He was asking about the game and whether Jokic would be playing weeks in advance (this was documented on I think the Lowe Post podcast last week). Jokic doesn't care about Embiid or the MVP.

What Embiid has proven to care about is social media and hype and his glory. Jokic literally doesn't have a social media account. We're talking about two very different humans here.

And no, Embiid has zero chance to win MVP if the voting remotely resembles past results. He's already sat himself out of that award once again.

What does jokic care about?

[eyeatoma]

That was Embiid's superbowl. He was asking about the game and whether Jokic would be playing weeks in advance (this was documented on I think the Lowe Post podcast last week). Jokic doesn't care about Embiid or the MVP.

What Embiid has proven to care about is social media and hype and his glory. Jokic literally doesn't have a social media account. We're talking about two very different humans here.

And no, Embiid has zero chance to win MVP if the voting remotely resembles past results. He's already sat himself out of that award once again.

What does jokic care about?

[CobraCommander]

That was Embiid's superbowl. He was asking about the game and whether Jokic would be playing weeks in advance (this was documented on I think the Lowe Post podcast last week). Jokic doesn't care about Embiid or the MVP.

What Embiid has proven to care about is social media and hype and his glory. Jokic literally doesn't have a social media account. We're talking about two very different humans here.

And no, Embiid has zero chance to win MVP if the voting remotely resembles past results. He's already sat himself out of that award once again.

What does jokic care about?

Rings and horses -

[rzzzzz]

What does jokic care about?

Rings

Only 11 more and he’ll catch up to Russell.

[LessEyeTest]

Here's the reality: We're just unpaid fans voicing our opinions. Truth is, what we think doesn't matter.

The reality is that the players and media matter significantly more. Guys like Zach Lowe and Bill Simmons, that's who matters. All the NBA players matter. Hell, the legends matter maybe the most. And guys like Duncan and Hakeem have spoken up about their favorite player. Maybe it's time to listen?

If Jokic doesn't win MVP, it's not because it was "stolen" from him it's because he wasn't the most deserving. Same with Tatum, KD, Giannis and even Embiid.

I do worry that if Embiid doesn't win a title or MVP he'll become a footnote in history a la Chris Webber. Guys like Duncan and KG won individual awards (MVP) and titles, but even guys like Malone and Barkley won individual awards (MVP). He's got to find a way to "level up" a bit more (last game was step 1) to make it tightly contested with Jokic because I think their time is going to near its end with Doncic and Tatum continuing to improve rapidly.