So how about Joel Embiid

[Disabled Sports]

If Embiid gets relegated to a spot up shooter because of Simmons, then Simmons will be moved.

I'm not worried about it right now, I think both guys are plenty talented to figure out how to maximize each other's skill sets.

The only problem is up to this point simmons hasn't been able to make a  jump shot consistently as a result if joel continues to like he is now teams will try to double team him and leave ben wide open essentially daring him to shoot if he gets the ball which will reduce his effectiveness. Therefore ben needs the ball and open space to display his best attributes which are passing and attacking the basket thus allowing him to be effective 

[Wraps_fan]

I ask again if Lowry signed with philly and everything else stayed the same who is the 2 seed?


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Sixers, easily.

[WestGOAT]

If Embiid gets relegated to a spot up shooter because of Simmons, then Simmons will be moved.

I'm not worried about it right now, I think both guys are plenty talented to figure out how to maximize each other's skill sets.

The only problem is up to this point simmons hasn't been able to make a  jump shot consistently as a result if joel continues to like he is now teams will try to double team him and leave ben wide open essentially daring him to shoot if he gets the ball which will reduce his effectiveness. Therefore ben needs the ball and open space to display his best attributes which are passing and attacking the basket thus allowing him to be effective 

In the end the Lebron and Wade combo worked out, I think Simmons and Embiid will also find a way.

[tone wone]

ben simmons will make the overall team better but he has a similar playing style to LBJ and look what LBJ turned bosh/love into

Champions?

Is Embiid going to be the 3rd option like Bosh & Love? When Simmons' steps on the floor is he bringing a Dwyane Wade or Kyrie Irving with him?

How can you concerned about this. There's no logic to it. Simmons doesn't project to be a "great" scorer and his best skill his passing. Embiid is currently turning the ball over like crazy and could really benefit from playing next to a creator.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Having watched Embiid for 4 quarters last night I think the scariest part about him is that he is still does ridiculously stupid things on the court. Driving into traffic for TO's. Making high risk passes. Biting on cheap fouls. Yet he was still +20 and absolutely dominated the game. Best player on the floor.

How good will this guy be once he figures out what he's doing out there?

I said that on our Sixers board before. It's not a criticism, it's praise. The fact that he still has soooo much to improve on, and he really does. Watching him every single game, he can work on handling double teams better, his, he can tighten up his ball handling, his shot selection can be better, his post moves can be better, passing out of double teams can be better. He's basically only scratched a small portion of his potential and he's already this dominant. The sky is truly the limit.

You may not have seen it last night, because he didn't shoot a lot of them, but his 15 footer is money. Absolute money. And he doesn't shoot it a lot. He'll do pump fakes and jab steps and try to drive and draw contact and either get an easy bucket down low or go to the line. If he just settled for that 15 foot jumper defenders give him all game long, he might average 25 ppg. But he "works on things" during games. He tries to diversify his skill set. It's part of his development I guess.

And he tends to improve very very quickly. Embiid from game 1 to last night is night and day. He still needs to improve on his passing, but in his first couple weeks of the season his passing was poor. Now his passing is actually quite good. Still a lot to work on, but to go from poor to good in just a couple short months as a guy who isn't supposed to be a passer is incomprehensible.

[bulliedog8]

Embiid and Simmons are going to attract any stars who decide to come. I've never seen a star player jump teams because he was in love with their role players. and if the role players are in short contracts, doesn't it stand to reason that they won't be around very long to play with any star players who sign later?

Obviously simmons and embiid will be the ones. But no stars will go to a team if they arent good already. The role players are to help out simmons and embiid and then you get rid of them to make room for the stars.

Lebron and Bosh signed with a bad Heat team. Bron then subsequently rejoined an awful Cavs team. KG eventually dropped his no trade clause and agreed to be traded to a terrible Celtics team.

Players aren't blind. They don't just look at the team's current record, they see the future product with them as part of that roster. And they know better than anyone that championships are won on the backs of superstars. Filling out the role players is the easy part. All 30 teams have a roster full of them.

Lebron didnt go to a terrible heat team. He went to a team of wade and bosh. KG didnt even want to go to boston, only dropped the clause after he found out they were getting ray allen too.

[The_Hater]

Having watched Embiid for 4 quarters last night I think the scariest part about him is that he is still does ridiculously stupid things on the court. Driving into traffic for TO's. Making high risk passes. Biting on cheap fouls. Yet he was still +20 and absolutely dominated the game. Best player on the floor.

How good will this guy be once he figures out what he's doing out there?

I said that on our Sixers board before. It's not a criticism, it's praise. The fact that he still has soooo much to improve on, and he really does. Watching him every single game, he can work on handling double teams better, his, he can tighten up his ball handling, his shot selection can be better, his post moves can be better, passing out of double teams can be better. He's basically only scratched a small portion of his potential and he's already this dominant. The sky is truly the limit.

You may not have seen it last night, because he didn't shoot a lot of them, but his 15 footer is money. Absolute money. And he doesn't shoot it a lot. He'll do pump fakes and jab steps and try to drive and draw contact and either get an easy bucket down low or go to the line. If he just settled for that 15 foot jumper defenders give him all game long, he might average 25 ppg. But he "works on things" during games. He tries to diversify his skill set. It's part of his development I guess.

And he tends to improve very very quickly. Embiid from game 1 to last night is night and day. He still needs to improve on his passing, but in his first couple weeks of the season his passing was poor. Now his passing is actually quite good. Still a lot to work on, but to go from poor to good in just a couple short months as a guy who isn't supposed to be a passer is incomprehensible.

I believe it. His 15 footer was momey at Kansas too. And he's going to be an elite passing big in due time. He sees lanes already and he gives up the ball willingly. Just needs game experience to make better reads.

I think the most impressive moment was that defensive sequence on JV in the 2nd half when JV gave him about 4 different moves going to the middle and JE was on top of all of them finally stuffing his 8 foot jump hook before it left his hand. Defensive monster.

[The_Hater]

Obviously simmons and embiid will be the ones. But no stars will go to a team if they arent good already. The role players are to help out simmons and embiid and then you get rid of them to make room for the stars.

Lebron and Bosh signed with a bad Heat team. Bron then subsequently rejoined an awful Cavs team. KG eventually dropped his no trade clause and agreed to be traded to a terrible Celtics team.

Players aren't blind. They don't just look at the team's current record, they see the future product with them as part of that roster. And they know better than anyone that championships are won on the backs of superstars. Filling out the role players is the easy part. All 30 teams have a roster full of them.

Lebron didnt go to a terrible heat team. He went to a team of wade and bosh. KG didnt even want to go to boston, only dropped the clause after he found out they were getting ray allen too.

Your agreeing with my point. Bron wasn't concerned that Miami just won 67 games the 2 previous seasons combined, he saw the future potential of having 3 star players together.

[bulliedog8]

Lebron and Bosh signed with a bad Heat team. Bron then subsequently rejoined an awful Cavs team. KG eventually dropped his no trade clause and agreed to be traded to a terrible Celtics team.

Players aren't blind. They don't just look at the team's current record, they see the future product with them as part of that roster. And they know better than anyone that championships are won on the backs of superstars. Filling out the role players is the easy part. All 30 teams have a roster full of them.

Lebron didnt go to a terrible heat team. He went to a team of wade and bosh. KG didnt even want to go to boston, only dropped the clause after he found out they were getting ray allen too.

Your agreeing with my point. Bron wasn't concerned that Miami just won 67 games the 2 previous seasons combined, he saw the future potential of having 3 star players together.

Both of those were immediate future though. Like that very season where they knew theyd win a ton. Not sure stars would feel that same way about embiid and simmons until they (simmons) proves it. But I am so high on embiid that I think the 76ers EASILY make the playoffs next year. Not like 8 seed make it, but 4-5 seed and 1st round upset type make it.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Having watched Embiid for 4 quarters last night I think the scariest part about him is that he is still does ridiculously stupid things on the court. Driving into traffic for TO's. Making high risk passes. Biting on cheap fouls. Yet he was still +20 and absolutely dominated the game. Best player on the floor.

How good will this guy be once he figures out what he's doing out there?

I said that on our Sixers board before. It's not a criticism, it's praise. The fact that he still has soooo much to improve on, and he really does. Watching him every single game, he can work on handling double teams better, his, he can tighten up his ball handling, his shot selection can be better, his post moves can be better, passing out of double teams can be better. He's basically only scratched a small portion of his potential and he's already this dominant. The sky is truly the limit.

You may not have seen it last night, because he didn't shoot a lot of them, but his 15 footer is money. Absolute money. And he doesn't shoot it a lot. He'll do pump fakes and jab steps and try to drive and draw contact and either get an easy bucket down low or go to the line. If he just settled for that 15 foot jumper defenders give him all game long, he might average 25 ppg. But he "works on things" during games. He tries to diversify his skill set. It's part of his development I guess.

And he tends to improve very very quickly. Embiid from game 1 to last night is night and day. He still needs to improve on his passing, but in his first couple weeks of the season his passing was poor. Now his passing is actually quite good. Still a lot to work on, but to go from poor to good in just a couple short months as a guy who isn't supposed to be a passer is incomprehensible.

I believe it. His 15 footer was momey at Kansas too. And he's going to be an elite passing big in due time. He sees lanes already and he gives up the ball willingly. Just needs game experience to make better reads.

I think the most impressive moment was that defensive sequence on JV in the 2nd half when JV gave him about 4 different moves going to the middle and JE was on top of all of them finally stuffing his 8 foot jump hook before it left his hand. Defensive monster.

His defensive instincts are second to none. Players are already worried about going into the paint against him. When the Sixers played the Hornets last week, Walker and Batum didn't go anywhere near the paint whenever he was in the game. He also has the athleticism to defend guards on the perimeter at times, as you saw with him on Lowry. Earlier this season he would fall for the pump fake a lot and go in the air. Now you are seeing he just uses his size and length to not fall for the fakes and stay stationary so he doesn't get fouls called on him.

Eye test wise and statistically he's already one of the league's best defenders. I mean, with him on the court, the Sixers are the best defensive team in the league. The Sixers. With guys like Ilyasova, Sergio, and Stauskas on the court who can't defend a lick.

[The_Hater]

Lebron didnt go to a terrible heat team. He went to a team of wade and bosh. KG didnt even want to go to boston, only dropped the clause after he found out they were getting ray allen too.

Your agreeing with my point. Bron wasn't concerned that Miami just won 67 games the 2 previous seasons combined, he saw the future potential of having 3 star players together.

Both of those were immediate future though. Like that very season where they knew theyd win a ton. Not sure stars would feel that same way about embiid and simmons until they (simmons) proves it. But I am so high on embiid that I think the 76ers EASILY make the playoffs next year. Not like 8 seed make it, but 4-5 seed and 1st round upset type make it.

We're just talking semantics now. Embiid is a superstar right now. He's that good. NBA players aren't blind to that, they all know who the best players are. The last 2 rookie Centers to have a season this good we're Duncan and Shaq. Shaq was playing in the NBA finals his 3rd season while Duncan won a title his 2nd season.

[Lost Angel]

Simmons will make Embiid even better. that kid has some crazy court vision.

curious why Noel doesnt start next to Embiid tho

[phifans]

ben simmons will make the overall team better but he has a similar playing style to LBJ and look what LBJ turned bosh/love into

Embiid would get much more easy busket with Simmons facilitate the offense. Right now our offense with Embiid's post as main focal point is actually one of the least efficient in the whole league. PnR or PnP is the more popular and efficient way to run your offense and it requires better handler & facilitater and Simmons is the perfect candidate of this.
The real concern is we need our third stud (if we can get one by draft , free agent or trade) to be a lights out shooter who doen't require ball in his hands all the time.

[joyeuxnoel]

If Embiid gets relegated to a spot up shooter because of Simmons, then Simmons will be moved.

I'm not worried about it right now, I think both guys are plenty talented to figure out how to maximize each other's skill sets.

The only problem is up to this point simmons hasn't been able to make a  jump shot consistently as a result if joel continues to like he is now teams will try to double team him and leave ben wide open essentially daring him to shoot if he gets the ball which will reduce his effectiveness. Therefore ben needs the ball and open space to display his best attributes which are passing and attacking the basket thus allowing him to be effective 

if defenders play off him doesnt that give him ample space?

unrespected shots havent hurt rondo and early jason kidd from putting on passing displays

[JackZZ]

Watching Lowry attempting tear drop on the face of Embiid was cringe worthy. Players these days got used to basically walk the ball to the basket barely or totally unchallenged, not to mention all those defenders dodging in order to avoid being posterized.

It would be a riot if sixers managed to clinched 8th playoff spot.
Legit talent with elite defense instinct, Embiid is.

[joyeuxnoel]

Simmons will make Embiid even better. that kid has some crazy court vision.

curious why Noel doesnt start next to Embiid tho

because noel cant play PF and putting him at center would negate embiid from being the rim protector he is

[Lost Angel]

so both Noel and Okafor just going to keep losing value?

[Brauer]

Right now, a funny issue Embiid has is that he is surprisingly good at a bunch of things offensively. Sure, he is still working a bit on coordination when he moves inside, but has extreme fluidity that should make him an elite post scorer in the future and has shown tremendous flashes of this already. He has shown that he has a good jump shot, hitting mid range jump shots and three pointers. He has shown a good faceup game, due to his jump shot and fluidity, length and quickness for a big man. He has the potential to be an amazing pick and roll player, due to his athleticism, quickness and length, plus threat of a jump shot.

If you are Joel, you have a wide array of offensive moves. Almost too many options. Given his limited playing experience, he doesn't know which of his tools is most effective overall, nor which tool is best at every possible circumstance.

The more Embiid plays, the more data will be collected. Not only will he start figuring out what tools are best, but the analytics team will be able to help him out significantly with that as well. This will make the offensive side of the game a lot simpler for him and will increase his effectiveness and efficiency even further.

[joyeuxnoel]

so both Noel and Okafor just going to keep losing value?

yes

[The_Hater]

If Embiid gets relegated to a spot up shooter because of Simmons, then Simmons will be moved.

You're looking at this all wrong. If Embiid is taking a back seat to Simmons that means Simmons is a superstar and the Sixers are contenders for the next 10 years.