Windhorst: Kyrie Irving asked to be traded last week (Spurs, Heat, Wolves, Knicks) Updt pg. 30

JXL · Post #1841 » by **JXL** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:24 pm

Kings would really screw this up just for Kyrie? Fox is going to be better than him 3 years down the line anyway.

Seabass11 · Post #1842 » by **Seabass11** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:27 pm

Big Mac Biyombo wrote:If Irving wants to be "the man," why would he go to Houston and continue being a second banana?

Because he doesn't have a choice...

Winsome Gerbil · Post #1843 » by **Winsome Gerbil** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:27 pm

Boston34Bg wrote:
Winsome Gerbil wrote:
Lalouie wrote:should the cavs??

yeah, that's the flipside nobody is mentioning.

I say the C's don't do it for continuity/chemistry. But I say the Cavs CAN'T do it because IT is a selfish little ball dominant dude with absolutely no hope of being able to work with LeBron, or anybody else who needs the ball. You get all the problems of Kyrie in that spot, x2, and with less versatility and a hopeless defensive frame.

Again proving you're a casual fan. IT is one of the least ball dominant 30 ppg scorers in NBA history. At least check the facts it's not that hard.

Time of Possession / Touches Per Game
2016-17 Isaiah 6.7min /84.7 touches in 33.8min
2015-16 Isaiah 6.2min / 85.3 touches in 32.2min
2013-14 Isaiah 8.0min / 85.1 touches in 34.7min

2016-17 Kyrie 6.4min / 79.0 touches in 35.1min

Patches Perry · Post #1844 » by **Patches Perry** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:28 pm

Kyrie would be devastating with MDT. I don't like CP3 and LeBron together though, both too ball dominant.

Winsome Gerbil · Post #1845 » by **Winsome Gerbil** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:29 pm

JXL wrote:Kings would really screw this up just for Kyrie? Fox is going to be better than him 3 years down the line anyway.

At the risk of being unfair, what's the last thing the Kings HAVEN'T screwed up? :lol:

But that said, again, Sam Amico. It's like quoting the National Enquirer for the truth that there is an Alien Bat Boy out there.

DuckIII · Post #1846 » by **DuckIII** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:31 pm

I know its safer to go with the known product and that Irving is only 25, but for my money the Kings won the offseason. I think they've done a great job of choosing a path and like where they are headed long term. Please, Kings, just be patient and build your team the right way.

RCM88x · Post #1847 » by **RCM88x** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:31 pm

Guest202 wrote:"For the first time Lebron is looking at a star trying to BEAT HIM out of town." —Colin Cowherd

So true.

Hey man don't forget about Mike Miller and Ben Wallace.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #1848 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:32 pm

Don't do it, Vlade. I'd rather just keep Fox and develop that young core.

CptCrunch · Post #1849 » by **CptCrunch** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:34 pm

Easy no for the Cavs. Who are the best guards drafted since 2011? Beal, Lillard, CJ? Are any of them even better and/or substantially better?

The chances of Fox being better than Irving is slim to none. A 25 year old top 15 player in the NBA who averaged 27 PPG in the finals on elite efficiency is worth way more than Fox + scraps.

FlatearthZorro · Post #1850 » by **FlatearthZorro** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:34 pm

Winsome Gerbil wrote:
Boston34Bg wrote:
Winsome Gerbil wrote:
yeah, that's the flipside nobody is mentioning.

I say the C's don't do it for continuity/chemistry. But I say the Cavs CAN'T do it because IT is a selfish little ball dominant dude with absolutely no hope of being able to work with LeBron, or anybody else who needs the ball. You get all the problems of Kyrie in that spot, x2, and with less versatility and a hopeless defensive frame.

Again proving you're a casual fan. IT is one of the least ball dominant 30 ppg scorers in NBA history. At least check the facts it's not that hard.

Time of Possession / Touches Per Game
2016-17 Isaiah 6.7min /84.7 touches in 33.8min
2015-16 Isaiah 6.2min / 85.3 touches in 32.2min
2013-14 Isaiah 8.0min / 85.1 touches in 34.7min

2016-17 Kyrie 6.4min / 79.0 touches in 35.1min

Again the least ball dominant 30 ppg scorers in NBA hisotry. 30 PPG - get it?

G35 · Post #1851 » by **G35** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:34 pm

DuckIII wrote:I know its safer to go with the known product and that Irving is only 25, but for my money the Kings won the offseason. I think they've done a great job of choosing a path and like where they are headed long term. Please, Kings, just be patient and build your team the right way.

+1

Kings have a much better direction than they have had in years......

Yuri Vaultin · Post #1852 » by **Yuri Vaultin** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:36 pm

I don't want Irving on my team primarily because I have a healthy bias against any idiot that thinks the earth is flat.

UnbelievablyRAW · Post #1853 » by **UnbelievablyRAW** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:37 pm

LivingLegend wrote:
Effigy wrote:The Clippers absolutely cannot catch a break. Imagine if Kyrie had made this demand a month ago? They could have made this trade themselves!

He reportedly did make it a while ago hence why LeBron tweeted "When the family feuds nobody wins" and no Cavs player has 'liked' any of Kyries social media posts since July 10th. Probably when they all found out about it.

I think the Cavs were trying to figure out what to do internally to see if they can mend the fence before going public with it.

Or maybe Lebron just liked the 4:44 album by Jay Z

Bobalob · Post #1854 » by **Bobalob** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:39 pm

I kept tryin to tell people that the Cavs arent trading Kyrie for f'n Carmelo Anthony. They are goign to get a HAUL

Let the bidding war begin #toldyouso

Post #1855 » by **Froob** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:40 pm

Bobalob wrote:I kept tryin to tell people that the Cavs arent trading Kyrie for f'n Carmelo Anthony. They are goign to get a HAUL

Let the bidding war begin #toldyouso

Just like Butler, George, and Boogie were going to get huge hauls.

Kings2013 · Post #1856 » by **Kings2013** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:41 pm

paulbball wrote:Easy no for the Cavs. Who are the best guards drafted since 2011? Beal, Lillard, CJ? Are any of them even better and/or substantially better?

The chances of Fox being better than Irving is slim to none. A 25 year old top 15 player in the NBA who averaged 27 PPG in the finals on elite efficiency is worth way more than Fox + scraps.

Easy no for the Kings. Dude has two years left on his contract, while we just acquired a reliable Hill to go with our SGs (Hield,Bogdanovic), while next year we still look to be in the lottery

It's an erroneous report. Knicks have nothing on their roster if any value other than the overrated Porzingis, he's not going there either

Bobalob · Post #1857 » by **Bobalob** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:44 pm

wfiles wrote:
TMoney99 wrote:https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-kings-to-offer-deaaron-fox-for-kyrie-irving/

Don't know if this is that reliable but apparently Kings trying to trade for Kyrie

This would be the fastest way for LeBron to waive his no trade clause. A new Big 3 of LeBron, Love, Fox.

Lebron's next move is going to be to align with youth anyway, so i wouldnt dismiss this.

Keep in mind you'd be trading away a max player slot for a rookie deal (with some aditonal contracts to make the math work), which means with some tinkering you could actually bring in another star between now and next year AND have Fox.

If the Kings include some vets to help Cleveland win now (or a center), this is a good offer. I'd want Willey Cauley Stein or George Hill added

clippertown · Post #1858 » by **clippertown** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:44 pm

I have been pushing for a Clipper based trade of CP3 for Irving for two years now. Cav's fans on RealGM turn it down every time. I doubt Houston will even consider it, all things considered.

CptCrunch · Post #1859 » by **CptCrunch** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:54 pm

Kings2013 wrote:
paulbball wrote:Easy no for the Cavs. Who are the best guards drafted since 2011? Beal, Lillard, CJ? Are any of them even better and/or substantially better?

The chances of Fox being better than Irving is slim to none. A 25 year old top 15 player in the NBA who averaged 27 PPG in the finals on elite efficiency is worth way more than Fox + scraps.

Easy no for the Kings. Dude has two years left on his contract, while we just acquired a reliable Hill to go with our SGs (Hield,Bogdanovic), while next year we still look to be in the lottery

It's an erroneous report. Knicks have nothing on their roster if any value other than the overrated Porzingis, he's not going there either

So insecure eh? That has nothing to do with the Knicks. Knicks sucking has nothing to do with Kings also sucking.

NBAFan93 · Post #1860 » by **NBAFan93** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:00 pm

Not smart for either side. I think Fox is awesome, but being on a contender w/ LeBron is over his head. I guess the Kings could be pretty good w/ Kyrie, but they are in the stacked West and w/ those good vets they just signed I'm not really sure how many more wins he'd even be able to get them over their current guys.

Lol - it's probably a big ego boost for Fox though just to be offered for Kyrie in a trade

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