2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2)

[kinste]

Luka with his first triple double. Is he the youngest to ever do it?

[juanc]

Luka with his first triple double. Is he the youngest to ever do it?

Fultz was a few days younger

[XTraderXL]

Luka with his first triple double. Is he the youngest to ever do it?

Fultz was a few days younger

Haha, Fultz of all people

[Senchu]

Kurucs with 16points on 7-10 shooting in 23mins!

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[Mr Puddles]

Luka with his first triple double. Is he the youngest to ever do it?

Fultz was a few days younger

Haha, Fultz of all people

Random 'youngest player records' held by unlikely players:

• youngest player to get a triple double: Fultz.
• youngest player to score 50 points in a game: Brandon Jennings.
• youngest player to play in nba championship game: Darko Milicic.
• youngest player to grab 10 rebounds of the bench: Devin Booker
• youngest player with 20+ assists in a game: Ennis Whatley (averaged 5.4 assist that season, and 4.6 for his career)

[LukaV]

Glad to see Luka grabbing a triple double, but he really needs to reign his shot in until his form recovers. Defenses will still respect his shot even if won't shot that much for a stretch of games.

[koyotee]

It's time for the Mavs to start tanking and give Luka 35min+ so he can get better at his game.

[Bob8]

Glad to see Luka grabbing a triple double, but he really needs to reign his shot in until his form recovers. Defenses will still respect his shot even if won't shot that much for a stretch of games.

I don’t believe that’s the right way to go. He had bad shooting night, but his shots were mostly makeable. If he just hit 2 open 3s and 1 floater, he would have 26 points with Fg% 50+. It’s normal to have some bad shooting nights in 45 games, to hesitate taking shots is much more worrisome situation. Mavs cannot make playoffs anyway. The best case scenario for Mavs is to develop Luka, DSJ, Brunson, finish 7th before lottery and have 32% for top4 pick.

People just tend to forget how difficult is to play so many games in that short period of time. Especially young and physical less prepared players will experience some problems and shooting numbers are first to drop. Just look at Fox, his January numbers felt of the cliff. I believe mostly because of fatigue.

[Johnny Firpo]

Glad to see Luka grabbing a triple double, but he really needs to reign his shot in until his form recovers. Defenses will still respect his shot even if won't shot that much for a stretch of games.

It's been two games. He shot the ball well consistently before that.

[LukaV]

In the last 5 games, his FG% was 35,3%, 21,4%, 47,6%, 44,4% and 43,5%.

In his last 10 games, his fg% is 41,0% with 3pt% a bit above 34%. One of his biggest weaknesses right now is the 10-16 feet area, where he's shooting just 34,1%.

Anyway, if Dallas was tanking, I'd be ok with Luka taking more shots despite having off nights, but since they're still within a shout of the playoffs, he needs to play with a bit more control and a more judicious shot selection.

[Bob8]

In the last 5 games, his FG% was 35,3%, 21,4%, 47,6%, 44,4% and 43,5%.

In his last 10 games, his fg% is 41,0% with 3pt% a bit above 34%. One of his biggest weaknesses right now is the 10-16 feet area, where he's shooting just 34,1%.

Anyway, if Dallas was tanking, I'd be ok with Luka taking more shots despite having off nights, but since they're still within a shout of the playoffs, he needs to play with a bit more control and a more judicious shot selection.

And who is supposed to take his shots? After JJ’s injury, there’s only Luka, who can constantly create for himself and others. Mavericks offense looks pretty bad and that’s the main reason he’s taking more shots. Luka will and probably is already suffering fatigue problems. His % going down is something totally normal, the problem for Mavs is, that there’s nobody, who can replace his shots. On the other hand his numerical stats are all up. Points/rebounds and assists. January splits are 21.6/7.9/6.0, the best of the season, so he’s at least producing very good raw numbers.

Dallas is not making playoffs, JJ going down was the last nail in the coffin.

[Ferulci]

Fultz was a few days younger

Haha, Fultz of all people

Random 'youngest player records' held by unlikely players:

• youngest player to grab 10 rebounds of the bench: Devin Booker
  

The mother of all random useless stats.

[batigol18]

Anyway, if Dallas was tanking, I'd be ok with Luka taking more shots despite having off nights, but since they're still within a shout of the playoffs, he needs to play with a bit more control and a more judicious shot selection.

I don't think yesterday was such a problem shot selection. In Q1 he had almost half of his yesterday shots and almost all were good shots (that were missed). Because of that from Q2 he almost completly focused on assisiting until Q4 and in last quarter he took again more shots (this time with much better scoring).

This is basically Doncic game. He start the match with few attempts and if he sees that he is having good shooting night, his game will stay that way. If he start badly, then he start to focus on finding others, who should have better shooting night. At one point in second half he will again try with some shooting and if it won't be better, then he'll stop chasing points till end of the game.

what I liked the most, is his response after the game, when the asked him how proud he is for getting tripple double. And he said that it is nice, but he is not really sattisfied because he played bad...

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[E-Balla]

Saw the Hawks live yesterday. Trae Young's play recently has been great and yesterday's game was probably his most active defensively.

Over the last 18 Hawks games Trae is averaging 17.1/3.7/7.3 on 56.9 TS% with a 107 ORTG in 30.4 MPG (20/4/9 per 36). Atlanta is also 8-10.

[Archx]

In the last 5 games, his FG% was 35,3%, 21,4%, 47,6%, 44,4% and 43,5%.

In his last 10 games, his fg% is 41,0% with 3pt% a bit above 34%. One of his biggest weaknesses right now is the 10-16 feet area, where he's shooting just 34,1%.

Anyway, if Dallas was tanking, I'd be ok with Luka taking more shots despite having off nights, but since they're still within a shout of the playoffs, he needs to play with a bit more control and a more judicious shot selection.

And who is supposed to take his shots? After JJ’s injury, there’s only Luka, who can constantly create for himself and others. Mavericks offense looks pretty bad and that’s the main reason he’s taking more shots. Luka will and probably is already suffering fatigue problems. His % going down is something totally normal, the problem for Mavs is, that there’s nobody, who can replace his shots. On the other hand his numerical stats are all up. Points/rebounds and assists. January splits are 21.6/7.9/6.0, the best of the season, so he’s at least producing very good raw numbers.

Dallas is not making playoffs, JJ going down was the last nail in the coffin.

Unfortunately that is true. Mavs AT THE MOMENT, have no one that can consistently create for himself or help Doncic with scoring. Wesley is showing a bit better form but Barnes has basically sink into a hole and can't crawl back out. No matter how you spin it, Luka needs to take those shots and obviously it's a learning process to constantly make them.
Fatigue will start to kick in and this is something he'll have to work on in the off season if he wants to take the next step to superstar level.
We'll see how it goes when DSJ returns but unfortunately they miss Barea more than anyone could imagine. Brunson is showing a lot of promise though.

But all in all Luka is still producing insane numbers for a rookie in January and i believe he will have more crazy games in the 2nd half of the season.

[Johnny Firpo]

In the last 5 games, his FG% was 35,3%, 21,4%, 47,6%, 44,4% and 43,5%.

In his last 10 games, his fg% is 41,0% with 3pt% a bit above 34%. One of his biggest weaknesses right now is the 10-16 feet area, where he's shooting just 34,1%.

Anyway, if Dallas was tanking, I'd be ok with Luka taking more shots despite having off nights, but since they're still within a shout of the playoffs, he needs to play with a bit more control and a more judicious shot selection.

Three bad shooting games, 7 okay/good shooting games, I don't see a trend.

[Bob8]

In the last 5 games, his FG% was 35,3%, 21,4%, 47,6%, 44,4% and 43,5%.

In his last 10 games, his fg% is 41,0% with 3pt% a bit above 34%. One of his biggest weaknesses right now is the 10-16 feet area, where he's shooting just 34,1%.

Anyway, if Dallas was tanking, I'd be ok with Luka taking more shots despite having off nights, but since they're still within a shout of the playoffs, he needs to play with a bit more control and a more judicious shot selection.

Three bad shooting games, 7 okay/good shooting games, I don't see a trend.

There’s a trend, if you look at monthly splits. But interpretations of his numbers is kinda tricky, because his role has significantly changed with JJ and DSJ being out. Some combination of fatigue, bigger responsibilities and more shots.

[3toheadmelo]

Saw the Hawks live yesterday. Trae Young's play recently has been great and yesterday's game was probably his most active defensively.

Over the last 18 Hawks games Trae is averaging 17.1/3.7/7.3 on 56.9 TS% with a 107 ORTG in 30.4 MPG (20/4/9 per 36). Atlanta is also 8-10.

we’re eating so much crow on this kid he’s gonna be good for a long time

[Johnny Firpo]

In the last 5 games, his FG% was 35,3%, 21,4%, 47,6%, 44,4% and 43,5%.

In his last 10 games, his fg% is 41,0% with 3pt% a bit above 34%. One of his biggest weaknesses right now is the 10-16 feet area, where he's shooting just 34,1%.

Anyway, if Dallas was tanking, I'd be ok with Luka taking more shots despite having off nights, but since they're still within a shout of the playoffs, he needs to play with a bit more control and a more judicious shot selection.

Three bad shooting games, 7 okay/good shooting games, I don't see a trend.

There’s a trend, if you look at monthly splits. But interpretations of his numbers is kinda tricky, because his role has significantly changed with JJ and DSJ being out. Some combination of fatigue, bigger responsibilities and more shots.

His November and December splits have been very similar, October were just a couple of games, and yeah, January may end up being the lowest yet, but let's wait a little more. It still may just be a short bad streak.

[Eskobar13]

Saw the Hawks live yesterday. Trae Young's play recently has been great and yesterday's game was probably his most active defensively.

Over the last 18 Hawks games Trae is averaging 17.1/3.7/7.3 on 56.9 TS% with a 107 ORTG in 30.4 MPG (20/4/9 per 36). Atlanta is also 8-10.

Collins certainly helping. Huerter also looking very nice.

Still don't think I would've taken Young that high, but if Hurter is for real they have 3 very good prospects right now. Collins is approaching blue chipper status IMO.