NBA MVP Discussion 20/21 (Fresh poll ➥ Vote)

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Who is the MVP so far?

Poll ended at Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:39 am

Damian Lillard
13
5%
Luka Doncic
8
3%
Nikola Jokic
76
32%
Joel Embiid
14
6%
Kawhi Leonard
1
0%
Steph Curry
3
1%
Giannis Antetokounmpo
51
21%
James Harden
20
8%
LeBron James
51
21%
Other - Who?
1
0%
 
Total votes: 238

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Re: NBA MVP Discussion 20/21 

Post#1841 » by FinnTheHuman » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:28 am

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donnieme wrote:He's right to an extent. Not about Lebron winning it but that voters are the media and are very prone to narrative bias

Here are the voters from last season. https://ak-static.cms.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/46/2020/09/2019-20-Kia-NBA-Most-Valuable-Player-Voter-Selections.pdf

Windhorst, Wilbon, Candace Parker, Sam amick, elhassan, broussard etc The voters are the guys you see on TV daily



Yeah, but somehow the majority of voters always ends up voting for the deserving player, and the deserving player wins. Most of these people don't want to be labeled "corrupt" by voting for the undeserving media darlings.

We'll see if the push for Jokic gains traction in the coming days. If not he'll probably have to finish with a higher record to solidify it. The stuff about deserving candidate is subjective. They always go for the person with a higher record. Harden should have won it in 15 but they gave it to Curry for having the better record, in 2017 Harden had the better record but they decided to ditch their own criteria to give it to Westbrook as an 8th seed for averaging a triple double. Harden was my deserving candidate those two years. I however don't think Lebron is undeserving if the Lakers for example finish significantly higher in the standings (now very unlikely). That's just following the established criteria for 9 of the last 10 MVPs


That's established criteria when 2 players are close statistically. Otherwise Gobert and Mitchell would be candidates number 1 and 2. But Jokic and Lebron are not close statistically, Jokic is leading in 99% of the stats by a hefty margin, be it advanced stats or regular stats. These journalists voting don't want to be clowned for the rest of their careers for following an unfair agenda, even tho you wish they would.

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Post#1842 » by chaimer » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:58 am

If Embiid's injury is serious and he misses 3-4 weeks, the MVP race is wide open.
I don't care if you say Denver is too low in the standings or LeBron's narrative is done and Lakers look bad. Jokic and LBJ are the 2 most realistic winners, with Lillard and Harden lurking right behind them. Giannis is not winning 3 in a row, don't fool yourself.
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Post#1843 » by Dutchball97 » Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:36 pm

Wonder if Butler can still get his name into the mix. The Heat have been on an upwards trajectory ever since he came back and are now the 4th seed in the east. Butler is currently 3rd in WS/48 behind Jokic and Embiid and 4th in BPM behind Jokic, Embiid and Giannis.

In all honesty he probably already missed too much time but it's interesting to see Butler playing at such a high level with minimal amount of buzz. I feel like the Heat are once again going to surprise a lot of people in the post-season.
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Post#1844 » by bellabiyel » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:03 pm

time for jokic to go up on top.. i think lebron dont want this no more . i think jokic win this one
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Post#1845 » by Jurassic_Park » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:13 pm

ESPN Sources with @ramonashelburne: Philadelphia Sixers star Joel Embiid's MRI showed no structural damage to his left knee, just a bone bruise. ACL and meniscus are fine. No timeline yet on a return.
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Post#1846 » by eyeatoma » Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:39 pm

Jurassic_Park wrote:ESPN Sources with @ramonashelburne: Philadelphia Sixers star Joel Embiid's MRI showed no structural damage to his left knee, just a bone bruise. ACL and meniscus are fine. No timeline yet on a return.


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Post#1847 » by NADALalot » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:16 pm

chaimer wrote:If Embiid's injury is serious and he misses 3-4 weeks, the MVP race is wide open.
I don't care if you say Denver is too low in the standings or LeBron's narrative is done and Lakers look bad. Jokic and LBJ are the 2 most realistic winners, with Lillard and Harden lurking right behind them. Giannis is not winning 3 in a row, don't fool yourself.

Plus Denver only has 2 more losses than the Lakers now, so good chance they'll finish with about the same record.
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Post#1848 » by MelTurpin » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:43 pm

Embiid has missed 7 games already. Too many for an MVP candidate, given how many other worthy ones there are.
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Post#1849 » by ShotCreator » Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:20 pm

MelTurpin wrote:Embiid has missed 7 games already. Too many for an MVP candidate, given how many other worthy ones there are.
Nobody is close to Embiid this year other than Jokic.

There aren’t anymore ‘worthy’ guys.

Don’t talk to me about Harden, he hasn’t played a second of defense this year other than fouling Kawhi in both meetings.
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Post#1850 » by BoatsNZones » Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:35 pm

Yeah, that’s looking like a minimum of 10 more games missed for Embiid before he’s eligible to return. That’s a shame because this MVP race was going to come down to the wire and was getting interesting. He’s out now with what will ultimately likely amount to 20+ missed games on the year.
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Post#1851 » by Mickey8 » Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:59 pm

ShotCreator wrote:
MelTurpin wrote:Embiid has missed 7 games already. Too many for an MVP candidate, given how many other worthy ones there are.
Nobody is close to Embiid this year other than Jokic.

There aren’t anymore ‘worthy’ guys.

Don’t talk to me about Harden, he hasn’t played a second of defense this year other than fouling Kawhi in both meetings.

It should have been between those two.
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Post#1852 » by OriginalRed » Sat Mar 13, 2021 5:15 pm

It's a shame but I sort of expected this. Embiid's just too injury prone to realistically play enough games to win an MVP award.
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Post#1853 » by HMFFL » Sat Mar 13, 2021 5:46 pm

MelTurpin wrote:Embiid has missed 7 games already. Too many for an MVP candidate, given how many other worthy ones there are.
Big men should be able to miss more games than any other position. At Embiid's size he takes a beating down low while the mid size players don't unless they draw their own contact. It's a problem some fans understand and disregard within their discussions.
Embiid goes down to injury that's thankfully not season ending.

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Post#1854 » by chaimer » Sat Mar 13, 2021 5:48 pm

bellabiyel wrote:time for jokic to go up on top.. i think lebron dont want this no more . i think jokic win this one


Believe me, he wants it. And now can smell it too.
2 days ago LBJ just said that he is not planning on missing any games due to rest in the second half.
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Post#1855 » by Ballerhogger » Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:10 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
Jurassic_Park wrote:ESPN Sources with @ramonashelburne: Philadelphia Sixers star Joel Embiid's MRI showed no structural damage to his left knee, just a bone bruise. ACL and meniscus are fine. No timeline yet on a return.


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Post#1856 » by Ballerhogger » Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:11 pm

So it’s two man race Lebron and Jokic
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Post#1857 » by Ballerhogger » Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:12 pm

HMFFL wrote:
MelTurpin wrote:Embiid has missed 7 games already. Too many for an MVP candidate, given how many other worthy ones there are.
Big men should be able to miss more games than any other position. At Embiid's size he takes a beating down low while the mid size players don't unless they draw their own contact. It's a problem some fans understand and disregard within their discussions.
Embiid goes down to injury that's thankfully not season ending.

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I’ll have to disagree everyone should be treated the same when comes to injuries. Shouldn’t matter what position or size they are
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Post#1858 » by Ballerhogger » Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:13 pm

OriginalRed wrote:It's a shame but I sort of expected this. Embiid's just too injury prone to realistically play enough games to win an MVP award.

As I said earlier this year Joel will be mvp favorite if he can stay healthy
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Post#1859 » by shotsquatch » Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:19 pm

If he can play 55 games, I think Embiid still has a shot. The Sixers have to hold on to that 1 seed, and Embiid has to come back dominant.
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