NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24

LordCovington33 · Post #1841 » by **LordCovington33** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 6:44 am

Has Embiid ever taken 58 shots over a two-game sample? Maybe? Just surprising with Jokic as everybody keeps saying a pass-first center. Yet we have seen the complete opposite in the last games. Embiid is the two-time (and possibly three-time) scoring champion and I get that Jokic wants to step up and show he’s just as good as embiid at shooting buckets from all spots on the offensive court (maybe to prove himself worthy of a third MVP), but he’s not. Jokic is an amazing player, but he doesn’t have the same shooting arsenal as Embiid. Jokic is quite one-dimensional in that regard, and that is fine, as he is an amazing playmaker.

LordCovington33 · Post #1842 » by **LordCovington33** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 6:46 am

AleksandarN wrote:
LordCovington33 wrote:The last two games:
Embiid 31-53
Jokic 18-58

I dont see Jokic going 18 - 58 again. This has been his worse shooting 2 game stretch in his career

That’s true, but how many players have had that 18-58 stretch anyway. That is rare territory

OxAndFox · Post #1843 » by **OxAndFox** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 6:50 am

De'Aaron Fox keeps knocking on the door and no one is listening. Fox scored 23 tonight versus the Suns. Oh that was his last quarter scoring sorry. Keep going with your discussion.

eyeatoma · Post #1844 » by **eyeatoma** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 6:52 am

NBA4Lyfe wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
NBA4Lyfe wrote:

Embiid is protecting his efficiency ducking good defensive teams, he is feasting on teams like the hawks and wizards.
How's James Harden doing decimating every franchise he plays for?

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Giannis won the mvp over harden in 2019 using the same tactic embiid is obviously using over jokic now

Don't you have a Harden thread to go talk about your conspiracies in?

LordCovington33 · Post #1845 » by **LordCovington33** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 7:05 am

OxAndFox wrote:De'Aaron Fox keeps knocking on the door and no one is listening. Fox scored 23 tonight versus the Suns. Oh that was his last quarter scoring sorry. Keep going with your discussion.

23 points in one quarter makes him an MVP contender? On what planet is 30.5/4.7/6.5 (with less than 50% shooting efficiency) good enough for mvp?

OxAndFox · Post #1846 » by **OxAndFox** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 7:11 am

LordCovington33 wrote:
OxAndFox wrote:De'Aaron Fox keeps knocking on the door and no one is listening. Fox scored 23 tonight versus the Suns. Oh that was his last quarter scoring sorry. Keep going with your discussion.

23 points in one quarter makes him an MVP contender? On what planet is 30.5/4.7/6.5 (with less than 50% shooting efficiency) good enough for mvp?

Well, being top 4 in scoring surely puts you amongst the leaders right? Or does that only count for others?

And this dude does it at both ends. Not saying others don't, and certainly not saying he is MVP, but give the guy his due FFS.

OxAndFox · Post #1847 » by **OxAndFox** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 7:13 am

Jesus, you put up a player other than Joel and you get your head bitten off.

So anyway, I think it's going to be Jokic. No it's Embiid. No it's Jokic. There.

eyeatoma · Post #1848 » by **eyeatoma** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 7:13 am

OxAndFox wrote:
LordCovington33 wrote:
OxAndFox wrote:De'Aaron Fox keeps knocking on the door and no one is listening. Fox scored 23 tonight versus the Suns. Oh that was his last quarter scoring sorry. Keep going with your discussion.

23 points in one quarter makes him an MVP contender? On what planet is 30.5/4.7/6.5 (with less than 50% shooting efficiency) good enough for mvp?

Well, being top 4 in scoring surely puts you amongst the leaders right? Or does that only count for others?

And this dude does it at both ends. Not saying others don't, and certainly not saying he is MVP, but give the guy his due FFS.

Fox is not a good defender man. He gets steals that's it. He's a legit star, who is probably 2nd or 3rd team all nba. He might get a vote at most for the MVP. IMO for him to get into MVP territory he needs to become even better at threes, get his ft into the mid 80s, and get that FG percent to 50% plus. Then if he averages about 30, and the Kings are at the top of the West it'll make a diff. Record counts for a lot.

eyeatoma · Post #1849 » by **eyeatoma** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 7:14 am

OxAndFox wrote:Jesus, you put up a player other than Joel and you get your head bitten off.

So anyway, I think it's going to be Jokic. No it's Embiid. No it's Jokic. There.

I like Fox, I just think right now with the way Embiid/Jokic/SGA/Luka/Giannis and Hali are playing theres not much shine he's going to get. Gobert and Durant are also up there, as well as Tatum.

eyeatoma · Post #1850 » by **eyeatoma** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 7:15 am

eyeatoma wrote:
OxAndFox wrote:Jesus, you put up a player other than Joel and you get your head bitten off.

So anyway, I think it's going to be Jokic. No it's Embiid. No it's Jokic. There.

I like Fox, I just think right now with the way Embiid/Jokic/SGA/Luka/Giannis and Hali are playing theres not much shine he's going to get. Gobert and Durant are also up there, as well as Tatum.

Basically you need to be having historic numbers to even be in consideration. You can count those players on one hand.

Chokic · Post #1851 » by **Chokic** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 7:16 am

Embiid is your back 2 back mvp.

LordCovington33 · Post #1852 » by **LordCovington33** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 7:17 am

OxAndFox wrote:
LordCovington33 wrote:
OxAndFox wrote:De'Aaron Fox keeps knocking on the door and no one is listening. Fox scored 23 tonight versus the Suns. Oh that was his last quarter scoring sorry. Keep going with your discussion.

23 points in one quarter makes him an MVP contender? On what planet is 30.5/4.7/6.5 (with less than 50% shooting efficiency) good enough for mvp?

Well, being top 4 in scoring surely puts you amongst the leaders right? Or does that only count for others?

And this dude does it at both ends. Not saying others don't, and certainly not saying he is MVP, but give the guy his due FFS.

Top 4 in scoring (on poor efficiency) and around 15th for assists (as a guard) will not cut it. He’s good, but he’s not even close to be being discussed with those counting stats.

LordCovington33 · Post #1853 » by **LordCovington33** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 7:18 am

Chokic wrote:Embiid is your back 2 back mvp.

After one-quarter of a season? :roll:

AleksandarN · Post #1854 » by **AleksandarN** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 7:24 am

LordCovington33 wrote:
OxAndFox wrote:
LordCovington33 wrote:23 points in one quarter makes him an MVP contender? On what planet is 30.5/4.7/6.5 (with less than 50% shooting efficiency) good enough for mvp?

Well, being top 4 in scoring surely puts you amongst the leaders right? Or does that only count for others?

And this dude does it at both ends. Not saying others don't, and certainly not saying he is MVP, but give the guy his due FFS.

Top 4 in scoring (on poor efficiency) and around 15th for assists (as a guard) will not cut it. He’s good, but he’s not even close to be being discussed with those counting stats.

I think Fox continues to play great and the Kings are top 4 in the west again he will get consideration. Or should get some recognition

AleksandarN · Post #1855 » by **AleksandarN** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 7:26 am

LordCovington33 wrote:
AleksandarN wrote:
LordCovington33 wrote:The last two games:
Embiid 31-53
Jokic 18-58

I dont see Jokic going 18 - 58 again. This has been his worse shooting 2 game stretch in his career

That’s true, but how many players have had that 18-58 stretch anyway. That is rare territory

You can’t say this is anything remotely normal from him. It is not like say Kobe who had stretches of chucking. That’s why I am not too concerned about his shooting and two games doesn’t make a season nor MVP

OxAndFox · Post #1856 » by **OxAndFox** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 7:51 am

eyeatoma wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
OxAndFox wrote:Jesus, you put up a player other than Joel and you get your head bitten off.

So anyway, I think it's going to be Jokic. No it's Embiid. No it's Jokic. There.

I like Fox, I just think right now with the way Embiid/Jokic/SGA/Luka/Giannis and Hali are playing theres not much shine he's going to get. Gobert and Durant are also up there, as well as Tatum.

Basically you need to be having historic numbers to even be in consideration. You can count those players on one hand.

I mean, how many people have ever averaged over 10ppg in the 4th quarter? Clutch as hell. That's historic IMO. This isn't the finished product or a hot streak and you can point to numbers for every single player to give them a thumbs up or thumbs down.
Yes, he isn't in the Embiid/Jokic convo. He is coming into the convo after having a great start, getting injured and then coming back. But neither is SGA then. Neither is Giannis then. Hali certainly is. Luka should be right there at the top, and Tatum deserves to be at the top too, IMO and Anthony Edwards, not Gobert needs to be in the discussion. The reason for the last one is because Ant does it at both ends. That means something, again you don't put that into it, but Fox does it. So do others, but not all of them.

LordCovington33 · Post #1857 » by **LordCovington33** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 8:00 am

AleksandarN wrote:
LordCovington33 wrote:
OxAndFox wrote:
Well, being top 4 in scoring surely puts you amongst the leaders right? Or does that only count for others?

And this dude does it at both ends. Not saying others don't, and certainly not saying he is MVP, but give the guy his due FFS.

Top 4 in scoring (on poor efficiency) and around 15th for assists (as a guard) will not cut it. He’s good, but he’s not even close to be being discussed with those counting stats.

I think Fox continues to play great and the Kings are top 4 in the west again he will get consideration. Or should get some recognition

Recognition as third team all nba, maybe.

LordCovington33 · Post #1858 » by **LordCovington33** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 8:02 am

AleksandarN wrote:
LordCovington33 wrote:
AleksandarN wrote:I dont see Jokic going 18 - 58 again. This has been his worse shooting 2 game stretch in his career

That’s true, but how many players have had that 18-58 stretch anyway. That is rare territory

You can’t say this is anything remotely normal from him. It is not like say Kobe who had stretches of chucking. That’s why I am not too concerned about his shooting and two games doesn’t make a season nor MVP

I know mate. He just shows he is human after all.

OxAndFox · Post #1859 » by **OxAndFox** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 8:04 am

LordCovington33 wrote:
AleksandarN wrote:
LordCovington33 wrote:
Top 4 in scoring (on poor efficiency) and around 15th for assists (as a guard) will not cut it. He’s good, but he’s not even close to be being discussed with those counting stats.

I think Fox continues to play great and the Kings are top 4 in the west again he will get consideration. Or should get some recognition

Recognition as third team all nba, maybe.

Yawn. Been there done that. He's looking at the number 1 team and all defense when all is said and done. You heard it here first.
He's going to take SGA's spot and finish 2nd team all defense.

DrModesty · Post #1860 » by **DrModesty** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 10:02 am

OxAndFox wrote:
LordCovington33 wrote:
AleksandarN wrote:
I think Fox continues to play great and the Kings are top 4 in the west again he will get consideration. Or should get some recognition

Recognition as third team all nba, maybe.

Yawn. Been there done that. He's looking at the number 1 team and all defense when all is said and done. You heard it here first.
He's going to take SGA's spot and finish 2nd team all defense.

He's going to have to take another step up to take SGA's spot. SGA is putting out the same output on offense at higher efficiency, and defending at an even higher level than Fox. He dominates Fox in advanced stats too. Not to mention he has played more games, and has his team at a better record (These 2 are somewhat part and parcel with each other).

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