NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24

[Special_Puppy]

Jokic has been dealing with wrist injuries for over 2 years on-and-off and has been dealing with back injuries this year. But I don’t think that affects him (especially seeing as how his game goes up a level in playoffs), but the political statements he’s made seem to have.

His Rim FG% has been a chronic problem all season.

[Doranku]

Point to me these games.

on top of the head... guess the players yourself:

What am I looking for? Nothing else here comes close to 58 shots over a two-game sample.

He went 14-57 in the two games on December 3 & 5th.

[LordCovington33]

on top of the head... guess the players yourself:

What am I looking for? Nothing else here comes close to 58 shots over a two-game sample.

He went 14-57 in the two games on December 3 & 5th.

Okay. Fair enough. I didn’t see that top one. On a shaky bus at the time. Using stats from 4 years ago just shows how rare it is. Any more recent ones that show it isn’t rare, which is what one of the other guys was saying. At any rate, I don’t think Jokic will be doing that any time soon.

[Cubbies2120]

on top of the head... guess the players yourself:

What am I looking for? Nothing else here comes close to 58 shots over a two-game sample.

He went 14-57 in the two games on December 3 & 5th.

The goalpost will move - he said "close", which could mean "exactly 58 shots, and exactly Jokic's shooting %" - That's the problem with letting people argue vague concepts...it makes it a goose chase to find counterarguments...

Even when you find one (as you saw here), the next point will be "Ahh but well, that was 3 years ago, not this season!" or some other form of that.

All I ask is that when people make arguments, they specify their arguments to give me something to search for a counterpoint. Leaving it vague is like saying "Go find me a yellow car in Chicago", vs. being a little more specific "Go find me a yellow car in Chicago, in 'The Loop', in a parking garage". You're helping me understand your argument, so I can debate it.

But that takes accountability! Who wants that?!

[Cubbies2120]

What am I looking for? Nothing else here comes close to 58 shots over a two-game sample.

He went 14-57 in the two games on December 3 & 5th.

Okay. Fair enough. I didn’t see that top one. On a shaky bus at the time.

I gotta give you praise here - didn't see you took accountability. Well done - more people (myself included) should be open to that.

Now we can debate freely

[Cubbies2120]

So a few days ago, Jokic supported the current political power in charge of Serbia. This has caused a s*** storm of controversy back home because to most Serbs, it’s a corrupt party and organized crime ring. However, he had no choice if he ever wants to run businesses back home because they’ll rubber stamp all his wishes now.

Not sure if that’s the only thing going on, but considering his uncharacteristic chucking and 2019-esque on court behavior (he’s hinted at trying to tear his jersey in both games) …if that’s the reason why, I’m surprised he’s letting it affect him so much.

Must be a Serbian thing.

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Must be - Serbia isn't exactly known for stability (I'd know, I'm part Serbian, part Croatian...if you wanna see what kinda mix that is, look no further than the Yugoslavian wars!)

But I'd challenge you to look at it from a different lens. I want to ask you: Are you by chance a minority? Or close to a minority (can be race, gender, orientation, etc.)? You don't need to answer, but you've got an answer in mind.

Now, frame it this way...you've got that minority group (yours or otherwise) in mind.

Someone does something 'crazy' (ripping their jersey, supporting a political leader...or jumping into the crowd to fight fans...or pick another 'crazy' behavior) that belongs to your minority group.

Do you say "Let's understand the possible reasons WHY someone did this thing?"

Or

"Must be a [minority] thing..."?

Just asking the question, I won't answer for you.

[bisme37]

I had some time so I made the new thread. Continue here: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2338714