2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2

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Who will win MVP?

Curry
12
3%
Durant
3
1%
Harden
112
31%
LeBron
42
12%
Leonard
60
17%
Westbrook
109
30%
Other
20
6%
 
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Re: 2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2 

Post#1901 » by Screwston » Mon Apr 3, 2017 2:24 pm

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Impuniti wrote:Curry already owned KD in reg season and ps and has far better team impact that KD will ever have in the previous two years before this one.


When? This year kd was top 3 in the mvp race n its his first year with gsw lol... Even lebron didn't do that when he went to miami, respected dwayne little bit ...

U mean far better team than kd ever had before this one?

Last year he owned him and WB. We saw in PS the OKC team was an elite team when they beat the Spurs. The reason the Warrior team last year was elite was because of the guy running the show. I don't even know how anyone can even debate it last year. Led to historic rs, beat OKC every game in rs and then beat them in ps. I don't want to hear any excuses.

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So he had a better season, doesn't mean he's a better player, which he wasn't nor isn't.

Okc wasn't elite, this style that Spurs play (last few years) is not working in the playoffs, they might lose again in the 2nd round.
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Re: Curry should be placed higher than Lebron in MVP balloting 

Post#1902 » by dautjazz » Mon Apr 3, 2017 2:25 pm

bmurph128 wrote:Both are more valuable than Harden.

And I wouldn't be too upset with Steph over LeBron - however:

Games played:

Thompson - 74
Curry - 75
Green - 73
Iguodala - 73
KD - 59



LeBron - 70
Kyrie - 68
Love - 55
Thompson - 76
JR - 35


LeBron's were all for rest obviously, but Kyrie missed some games due to injury; obviously Love and JR as well. KD obviously has the injury, but the other 4 key cogs? Damn that's impressive.


Injuries are apart of the game and that's fine - but missing parts of your starting lineup for half the year would be difficult for any team.


As a Jazz fan I have to chuckle. I'm sure Kyrie has rested 5+ games, so that makes like a handful of games to injury? Love has missed a good chunk of games, fine, and JR missed alot, but the Cavs have struggled way too much for playing in the East and with all the talent they have. As much as I love Lebron, Harden is more deserving of an MVP this year, because the expectations for Houston was in the .500 ballpark, and they are at .675, that's amazing. I would say that Cleveland fell short 10 games from my expectations, and probably the expectations of most "experts" too. It could be part of not really caring about the regular season, but that will cost you the MVP. On a side note, Lebron is having an incredible season statistically, not far off a 26/9/9 season. I feel if he really wanted too, he could easily get a triple double for the year.
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Re: 2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2 

Post#1903 » by Impuniti » Mon Apr 3, 2017 2:34 pm

Screwston wrote:
Impuniti wrote:
Screwston wrote:
When? This year kd was top 3 in the mvp race n its his first year with gsw lol... Even lebron didn't do that when he went to miami, respected dwayne little bit ...

U mean far better team than kd ever had before this one?

Last year he owned him and WB. We saw in PS the OKC team was an elite team when they beat the Spurs. The reason the Warrior team last year was elite was because of the guy running the show. I don't even know how anyone can even debate it last year. Led to historic rs, beat OKC every game in rs and then beat them in ps. I don't want to hear any excuses.

Are you Durant's cousin by any chance? I can't deal with this level of stanning.


So he had a better season, doesn't mean he's a better player, which he wasn't nor isn't.

Okc wasn't elite, this style that Spurs play (last few years) is not working in the playoffs, they might lose again in the 2nd round.

You're right. Outplaying someone and their team both in rs, ps and overall achieving more than them throughout their careers is not a sign of someone being better. We should instead use much more accurate metrics such as who Screwston likes more.
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Re: 2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2 

Post#1904 » by inquisitive » Mon Apr 3, 2017 2:38 pm

OKC lost, so maybe RWs run takes a bit of a hit.
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Re: 2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2 

Post#1905 » by draftnightsuit » Mon Apr 3, 2017 2:40 pm

Can't win MVP without winning 50 games. The highest Westbrook will finish is second place.
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Re: 2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2 

Post#1906 » by Patches Perry » Mon Apr 3, 2017 2:43 pm

Screwston wrote:
Impuniti wrote:
Screwston wrote:
When? This year kd was top 3 in the mvp race n its his first year with gsw lol... Even lebron didn't do that when he went to miami, respected dwayne little bit ...

U mean far better team than kd ever had before this one?

Last year he owned him and WB. We saw in PS the OKC team was an elite team when they beat the Spurs. The reason the Warrior team last year was elite was because of the guy running the show. I don't even know how anyone can even debate it last year. Led to historic rs, beat OKC every game in rs and then beat them in ps. I don't want to hear any excuses.

Are you Durant's cousin by any chance? I can't deal with this level of stanning.


So he had a better season, doesn't mean he's a better player, which he wasn't nor isn't.

Okc wasn't elite, this style that Spurs play (last few years) is not working in the playoffs, they might lose again in the 2nd round.


Curry bested Durant (and Westbrook) at every turn. Yeah, 1 season MVP doesn't mean everything, but to win MVP 1 season, win the title, come back the next season and beat Durant/Westbrook in all meetings, win 73, win MVP, then best them in the playoffs? There isn't much argument there.

It's possible that Durant and Westbrook would have overcome Curry and the Warriors at some point, but we'll never know now. Unless Durant goes somewhere else to try to beat the Warriors, Curry will always have the upper hand on KD in that regard.
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Re: 2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2 

Post#1907 » by Screwston » Mon Apr 3, 2017 2:44 pm

Impuniti wrote:
Screwston wrote:
Impuniti wrote:Last year he owned him and WB. We saw in PS the OKC team was an elite team when they beat the Spurs. The reason the Warrior team last year was elite was because of the guy running the show. I don't even know how anyone can even debate it last year. Led to historic rs, beat OKC every game in rs and then beat them in ps. I don't want to hear any excuses.

Are you Durant's cousin by any chance? I can't deal with this level of stanning.


So he had a better season, doesn't mean he's a better player, which he wasn't nor isn't.

Okc wasn't elite, this style that Spurs play (last few years) is not working in the playoffs, they might lose again in the 2nd round.

You're right. Outplaying someone and their team both in rs, ps and overall achieving more than them throughout their careers is not a sign of someone being better. We should instead use much more accurate metrics such as who Screwston likes more.


Lol bc he had a way better team. Kd had also been hurt at the worst time ( right after his mvp season), he was coming for LeBron, it was kinda close back then but the injury messed it up. Kd is just better, like chris paul is better than isiah thomas (from.boston), idc what kind of season he's having, he can put up 40, he's not better. Not sayin its that much of a difference between kd n curry tho, but there is.
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Re: 2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2 

Post#1908 » by Impuniti » Mon Apr 3, 2017 2:50 pm

Patches Perry wrote:
Screwston wrote:
Impuniti wrote:Last year he owned him and WB. We saw in PS the OKC team was an elite team when they beat the Spurs. The reason the Warrior team last year was elite was because of the guy running the show. I don't even know how anyone can even debate it last year. Led to historic rs, beat OKC every game in rs and then beat them in ps. I don't want to hear any excuses.

Are you Durant's cousin by any chance? I can't deal with this level of stanning.


So he had a better season, doesn't mean he's a better player, which he wasn't nor isn't.

Okc wasn't elite, this style that Spurs play (last few years) is not working in the playoffs, they might lose again in the 2nd round.


Curry bested Durant (and Westbrook) at every turn. Yeah, 1 season MVP doesn't mean everything, but to win MVP 1 season, win the title, come back the next season and beat Durant/Westbrook in all meetings, win 73, win MVP, then best them in the playoffs? There isn't much argument there.

It's possible that Durant and Westbrook would have overcome Curry and the Warriors at some point, but we'll never know now. Unless Durant goes somewhere else to try to beat the Warriors, Curry will always have the upper hand on KD in that regard.

No. KD is better just because he said so. :lol: Who wants to actually provide anything other than excuses when making an argument? That's how you convince people of your point.
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Re: 2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2 

Post#1909 » by Screwston » Mon Apr 3, 2017 3:01 pm

Impuniti wrote:
Patches Perry wrote:
Screwston wrote:
So he had a better season, doesn't mean he's a better player, which he wasn't nor isn't.

Okc wasn't elite, this style that Spurs play (last few years) is not working in the playoffs, they might lose again in the 2nd round.


Curry bested Durant (and Westbrook) at every turn. Yeah, 1 season MVP doesn't mean everything, but to win MVP 1 season, win the title, come back the next season and beat Durant/Westbrook in all meetings, win 73, win MVP, then best them in the playoffs? There isn't much argument there.

It's possible that Durant and Westbrook would have overcome Curry and the Warriors at some point, but we'll never know now. Unless Durant goes somewhere else to try to beat the Warriors, Curry will always have the upper hand on KD in that regard.

No. KD is better just because he said so. :lol: Who wants to actually provide anything other than excuses when making an argument? That's how you convince people of your point.


Whats understood doesn't need to be explained. I didn't need to convince y'all that Lebron was still better last year, ya found that out the hard way.

Y was Kd top 3 way ahead of Curry in tge mvp race this year, playing with the raining unanimous mvp? N y was he taking more shots than him? He just got to his team
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Re: 2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2 

Post#1910 » by Impuniti » Mon Apr 3, 2017 3:04 pm

Screwston wrote:
Impuniti wrote:
Patches Perry wrote:
Curry bested Durant (and Westbrook) at every turn. Yeah, 1 season MVP doesn't mean everything, but to win MVP 1 season, win the title, come back the next season and beat Durant/Westbrook in all meetings, win 73, win MVP, then best them in the playoffs? There isn't much argument there.

It's possible that Durant and Westbrook would have overcome Curry and the Warriors at some point, but we'll never know now. Unless Durant goes somewhere else to try to beat the Warriors, Curry will always have the upper hand on KD in that regard.

No. KD is better just because he said so. :lol: Who wants to actually provide anything other than excuses when making an argument? That's how you convince people of your point.


Whats understood doesn't need to be explained. I didn't need to convince y'all that Lebron was still better last year, ya found that out the hard way.

Y was Kd 3rd way ahead of Curry in tge mvp race this year, playing with a raining unanimous mvp? N y was he taking more shots than him? He just got to his team

No one is arguing Curry is better than Lebron because unlike KD, Lebron actually beat him H2H. That's a pointless comment. I'm glad you're not explaining it though, it makes your pov have a lot more validity that way. :lol:
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Re: 2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2 

Post#1911 » by Screwston » Mon Apr 3, 2017 3:05 pm

Impuniti wrote:
Screwston wrote:
Impuniti wrote:No. KD is better just because he said so. :lol: Who wants to actually provide anything other than excuses when making an argument? That's how you convince people of your point.


Whats understood doesn't need to be explained. I didn't need to convince y'all that Lebron was still better last year, ya found that out the hard way.

Y was Kd 3rd way ahead of Curry in tge mvp race this year, playing with a raining unanimous mvp? N y was he taking more shots than him? He just got to his team

No one is arguing Curry is better than Lebron because unlike KD, Lebron actually beat him H2H. That's a pointless comment. I'm glad you're not explaining it though, it makes your pov have a lot more validity that way. :lol:


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Post#1912 » by NBAFan93 » Mon Apr 3, 2017 3:11 pm

The winner is between Westbrook and Harden. Westbrook is even gaining in this RealGM poll as he is now even closer to Harden than he was last week.

If anyone is going to win MVP w/ less than 50 wins, Westbrook is going to do it this season. Dude is doing something historic that hasn't been seen in 50 years and under much more challenging circumstances. His team is successful enough that he could win.

If Westbrook does win I will feel bad for Harden, as Harden was 2nd behind Curry two seasons ago too - so that would make two seasons out of three where he's been close but just missed it.

If Harden wins, I could see Westbrook coming back next year and being great again. Maybe if OKC gets him some more help and they can get 50 wins he can get it next year.
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Re: 2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2 

Post#1913 » by Patches Perry » Mon Apr 3, 2017 3:13 pm

Screwston wrote:Whats understood doesn't need to be explained. I didn't need to convince y'all that Lebron was still better last year, ya found that out the hard way.


So when LeBron outplays Curry in the playoffs, it proves LeBron is better. When Curry outplays Durant in the playoffs, it proves ... Durant is better? Not following your train of thought here.

Is your argument that Durant is better no matter what happens? And if stuff happens that suggests Durant isn't better, that there will be more stuff, future stuff, that eventually proves Durant is better?

I mean, Durant is playing with Curry now. Not sure what you're expecting to happen.
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Re: 2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2 

Post#1914 » by michaelm » Mon Apr 3, 2017 3:14 pm

Screwston wrote:
Impuniti wrote:
Screwston wrote:
Whats understood doesn't need to be explained. I didn't need to convince y'all that Lebron was still better last year, ya found that out the hard way.

Y was Kd 3rd way ahead of Curry in tge mvp race this year, playing with a raining unanimous mvp? N y was he taking more shots than him? He just got to his team

No one is arguing Curry is better than Lebron because unlike KD, Lebron actually beat him H2H. That's a pointless comment. I'm glad you're not explaining it though, it makes your pov have a lot more validity that way. :lol:


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Curry seems to have been raining (threes at least) of late.
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Re: 2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2 

Post#1915 » by michaelm » Mon Apr 3, 2017 3:14 pm

Screwston wrote:
Impuniti wrote:
Screwston wrote:
Whats understood doesn't need to be explained. I didn't need to convince y'all that Lebron was still better last year, ya found that out the hard way.

Y was Kd 3rd way ahead of Curry in tge mvp race this year, playing with a raining unanimous mvp? N y was he taking more shots than him? He just got to his team

No one is arguing Curry is better than Lebron because unlike KD, Lebron actually beat him H2H. That's a pointless comment. I'm glad you're not explaining it though, it makes your pov have a lot more validity that way. :lol:


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Curry seems to be raining (threes at least) of late.

Pretty desperate to try and get GSW fans to argue about the relative merits of 2 GSW players who seem to be quite happy to be team-mates, have likely both made deliberate choices to be team-mates, and also seem prepared to make every effort to accommodate each other's highly elite play within the structure of that team. It is known as playing for the team. Perhaps more franchises could consider that philosophical approach.
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Re: 2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2 

Post#1916 » by Impuniti » Mon Apr 3, 2017 3:16 pm

Screwston wrote:
Impuniti wrote:
Screwston wrote:
Whats understood doesn't need to be explained. I didn't need to convince y'all that Lebron was still better last year, ya found that out the hard way.

Y was Kd 3rd way ahead of Curry in tge mvp race this year, playing with a raining unanimous mvp? N y was he taking more shots than him? He just got to his team

No one is arguing Curry is better than Lebron because unlike KD, Lebron actually beat him H2H. That's a pointless comment. I'm glad you're not explaining it though, it makes your pov have a lot more validity that way. :lol:


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Curry's taken a backseat through the first half of the season to integrate him. It's called team work, part of the reason KD left a guy WB to play with someone like Curry. I think since January, Steph actually averaged more FGA per game. It also says something that even though Steph is having a down year, he still is having more impact in his team than KD.

KD is a freak of nature that will single handedly dominate games and win games for you. He always will be that. He's also a slightly better scorer than both Steph and Lebron. The difference however is that both those players can dominate games while elevating the other 4 players on the court. That's what makes them extra special, esp Lebron.
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Post#1917 » by Screwston » Mon Apr 3, 2017 3:34 pm

Impuniti wrote:Curry's taken a backseat through the first half of the season to integrate him. It's called team work, part of the reason KD left a guy WB to play with someone like Curry. I think since January, Steph actually averaged more FGA per game. It also says something that even though Steph is having a down year, he still is having more impact in his team than KD.

KD is a freak of nature that will single handedly dominate games and win games for you. He always will be that. He's also a slightly better scorer than both Steph and Lebron. The difference however is that both those players can dominate games while elevating the other 4 players on the court. That's what makes them extra special, esp Lebron.


When KD comes back he'll take a backseat again ha? Its because Curry is a good teammate :thumbsup: When LeBron got to Miami he was taking the same amount of shots as Wade, even gave him the ball lotta times to close out games, bc he respected that it was Wade's team, then of course for the remaining 3 years, that didn't happen. KD comes in n instantly becomes the first option, not because he's better but because Curry is a good teammate :)
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Re: 2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2 

Post#1918 » by Impuniti » Mon Apr 3, 2017 3:39 pm

Screwston wrote:
Impuniti wrote:Curry's taken a backseat through the first half of the season to integrate him. It's called team work, part of the reason KD left a guy WB to play with someone like Curry. I think since January, Steph actually averaged more FGA per game. It also says something that even though Steph is having a down year, he still is having more impact in his team than KD.

KD is a freak of nature that will single handedly dominate games and win games for you. He always will be that. He's also a slightly better scorer than both Steph and Lebron. The difference however is that both those players can dominate games while elevating the other 4 players on the court. That's what makes them extra special, esp Lebron.


When KD comes back he'll take a backseat again ha? Its because Curry is a good teammate :thumbsup: When LeBron got to Miami he was taking the same amount of shots as Wade, even gave him the ball lotta times to close out games, bc he respected that it was Wade's team, then of course for the remaining 3 years, that didn't happen. KD comes in n instantly becomes the first option, not because he's better but because Curry is a good teammate :)

Taking more shots = who is the better player. Hopefully there is a lot more great insight coming out of you junior, I look forward to reading it. :lol:
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Re: 2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2 

Post#1919 » by ocelot17 » Mon Apr 3, 2017 3:40 pm

At this point, harden should be the unanimous MVP

MVP

1. James Harden (52-25)
2. Isaiah Thomas (50-27)
3.kawhi Leonard (59-17)
4.lebron James (49-27)
5. Russell Westbrook (43-33)

All other MVP candidates are leading their team to better records.

Westbrook shouldn't even be in the MVP discussion. Thunder are 43-33.

Even if they win their remaining six games, that still only puts them at 49-33.
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Re: 2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2 

Post#1920 » by Screwston » Mon Apr 3, 2017 3:42 pm

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Taking more shots = who is the better player. Hopefully there is a lot more great insight coming out of you junior, I look forward to reading it. :lol:


Not always but usually the best player takes the most shots, unless its a pass first PG, which Curry isn't.

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