Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I]

[clyde21]

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kareem-abdul-jabbar-1.html

if u have to go back to when Kareem was in college you kinda prove my point lol

[DayofMourning]

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kareem-abdul-jabbar-1.html

if u have to go back to when Kareem was in college you kinda prove my point lol

Didn't do much research. Just posted an obvious stat line that proves that Zion, impressive as he is, isn't the cream of the crop when it comes to college bball. Plenty of amazing freshman seasons that didn't happen in the past five years. Trying to bring down the ever present hyperbole that reins supreme in these threads.

[clyde21]

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kareem-abdul-jabbar-1.html

if u have to go back to when Kareem was in college you kinda prove my point lol

Didn't do much research. Just posted an obvious stat line that proves that Zion, impressive as he is, isn't the cream of the crop when it comes to college bball. Plenty of amazing freshman seasons that didn't happen in the past five years. Trying to bring down the ever present hyperbole that reins supreme in these threads.

yes, he is. how many college seasons are better than Zions?

you have posted 1, Kareem, and that's debatable. who else?

[DayofMourning]

if u have to go back to when Kareem was in college you kinda prove my point lol

Didn't do much research. Just posted an obvious stat line that proves that Zion, impressive as he is, isn't the cream of the crop when it comes to college bball. Plenty of amazing freshman seasons that didn't happen in the past five years. Trying to bring down the ever present hyperbole that reins supreme in these threads.

yes, he is. how many college seasons are better than Zions?

you have posted 1, Kareem, and that's debatable. who else?

Look it up, clyde. Can't do your work for ya. Will do some good to have a little history in hand.

[clyde21]

Didn't do much research. Just posted an obvious stat line that proves that Zion, impressive as he is, isn't the cream of the crop when it comes to college bball. Plenty of amazing freshman seasons that didn't happen in the past five years. Trying to bring down the ever present hyperbole that reins supreme in these threads.

yes, he is. how many college seasons are better than Zions?

you have posted 1, Kareem, and that's debatable. who else?

Look it up, clyde. Can't do your work for ya. Will do some good to have a little history in hand.

i already did, that's why I said he had the greatest college season of all time, I didn't pull that out of thin air.

[DayofMourning]

yes, he is. how many college seasons are better than Zions?

you have posted 1, Kareem, and that's debatable. who else?

Look it up, clyde. Can't do your work for ya. Will do some good to have a little history in hand.

i already did, that's why I said he had the greatest college season of all time, I didn't pull that out of thin air.

You must have a lot of free time to search through every single freshman season in NCAA history. I'm doubting you did. If you actually did, then good work, and I disagree with your opinion/outcome.

Here's another one that took me a fraction of a second to think of. You might have missed it during your research:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/bill-walton-1.html

[Bob8]

No need for this Zion debate. He’s extremely bad in D., moves awkwardly and he won’t have many shooting days like yesterday. JA can sleep calmly.

[MartyConlonJr]

first team:

G: Ja Morant
G: Tyler Herro
F: RJ Barrett
F: Zion Williamson
C: Jaxson Hayes

second team:

G: Darius Garland
G: Jarrett Culver
F: Rui Hachimura
F: PJ Washington
C: Brandon Clarke

third team:

G: Coby White
G: Kendrick Nunn
F: De'Andre Hunter
F: Michael Porter Jr.
F: Eric Paschall

they coming for you.

heat fans need to be banned from this thread

In NBA Power rankings, that go week to week and has done 11 ranking weeks now, Nunn was ranked 2nd in 7 of those weeks, and 3rd, 5th (twice) and 6th in the other 4 weeks. So only 1 week in this season was he not considered a "1st team" type player, and more often than not, he has been the second best rookie.

He will win his 3rd consecutive Rookie of the Month for the East, where you have RJ, PJ, Herro, Carland and Hachimora ranked above him, despite losing to him every month.

You'd be hard placed to find a bookie offering a market where Nunn isn't 2nd or 3rd.

Maybe they should ban Heat fans so hot takes completely out of touch with reality can go unchecked?

[clyde21]

Look it up, clyde. Can't do your work for ya. Will do some good to have a little history in hand.

i already did, that's why I said he had the greatest college season of all time, I didn't pull that out of thin air.

You must have a lot of free time to search through every single freshman season in NCAA history. I'm doubting you did. If you actually did, then good work, and I disagree with your opinion/outcome.

Here's another one that took me a fraction of a second to think of. You might have missed it during your research:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/bill-walton-1.html

still not better than Zion, do you have anymore. that's 0/2.

let me refresh you on Zion's seasons:

in 30 mins: 22.6 / 8.9 / 2.1 / 2.1 / 1.8 on 70 TS%, 41 PER, 20 BPM, .335 WS/48 and +45.7 Net Rating

[DayofMourning]

No need for this Zion debate. He’s extremely bad in D., moves awkwardly and he won’t have many shooting days like yesterday. JA can sleep calmly.

I think Zion is awesome. His one year at Duke was so much fun to watch. What he did last night had me pumping my fist. He is not a bad defender. He will struggle in some facets of defense. However, he has quick hands, a powerful frame, and is a smart kid.

I did read that NOP was trying to teach him how to run. Might be the reason he looks awkward. Trying to buy in to the running technique. A bit strange to me to try and teach that, but that's what it is.

No chance he passes Morant, unless he does something unheard of. Maybe the 27, 9, and 3 someone alluded to earlier. Not many in the L putting that up, much less a rookie though.

[DayofMourning]

i already did, that's why I said he had the greatest college season of all time, I didn't pull that out of thin air.

You must have a lot of free time to search through every single freshman season in NCAA history. I'm doubting you did. If you actually did, then good work, and I disagree with your opinion/outcome.

Here's another one that took me a fraction of a second to think of. You might have missed it during your research:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/bill-walton-1.html

still not better than Zion, do you have anymore. that's 0/2.

let me refresh you on Zion's seasons:

in 30 mins: 22.6 / 8.9 / 2.1 / 2.1 / 1.8 on 70 TS%, 41 PER, 20 BPM, .335 WS/48 and +45.7 Net Rating

21 points and 15 boards is worse than Zion? With a NCAA championship? That's news to me, and maybe everybody else.

That concludes our disagreement. Continue on with your objective observations.

[Bob8]

No need for this Zion debate. He’s extremely bad in D., moves awkwardly and he won’t have many shooting days like yesterday. JA can sleep calmly.

I think Zion is awesome. His one year at Duke was so much fun to watch. What he did last night had me pumping my fist. He is not a bad defender. He will struggle in some facets of defense. However, he has quick hands, a powerful frame, and is a smart kid.

I did read that NOP was trying to teach him how to run. Might be the reason he looks awkward. Trying to buy in to the running technique. A bit strange to me to try and teach that, but that's what it is.

No chance he passes Morant, unless he does something unheard of. Maybe the 27, 9, and 3 someone alluded to earlier. Not many in the L putting that up, much less a rookie though.

Not awesome enough to beat JA.

How would have people rated his performance, if he haven’t had hit those 3s?

[DayofMourning]

No need for this Zion debate. He’s extremely bad in D., moves awkwardly and he won’t have many shooting days like yesterday. JA can sleep calmly.

I think Zion is awesome. His one year at Duke was so much fun to watch. What he did last night had me pumping my fist. He is not a bad defender. He will struggle in some facets of defense. However, he has quick hands, a powerful frame, and is a smart kid.

I did read that NOP was trying to teach him how to run. Might be the reason he looks awkward. Trying to buy in to the running technique. A bit strange to me to try and teach that, but that's what it is.

No chance he passes Morant, unless he does something unheard of. Maybe the 27, 9, and 3 someone alluded to earlier. Not many in the L putting that up, much less a rookie though.

Not awesome enough to beat JA.

How would have people rated his performance, if he haven’t had hit those 3s?

Let's not dissect one game. One game doesn't win ROY.

I expect Zion to play fairly well consistently. He's a very good player. I don't think he beats Ja. I don't really care either. I care more about how he blends in with the rest of the youth the Pelicans have. It's be great if they all figured out how to complement each other and maximize their games together. That's an exciting team, potentially.

[clyde21]

You must have a lot of free time to search through every single freshman season in NCAA history. I'm doubting you did. If you actually did, then good work, and I disagree with your opinion/outcome.

Here's another one that took me a fraction of a second to think of. You might have missed it during your research:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/bill-walton-1.html

still not better than Zion, do you have anymore. that's 0/2.

let me refresh you on Zion's seasons:

in 30 mins: 22.6 / 8.9 / 2.1 / 2.1 / 1.8 on 70 TS%, 41 PER, 20 BPM, .335 WS/48 and +45.7 Net Rating

21 points and 15 boards is worse than Zion? With a NCAA championship? That's news to me, and maybe everybody else.

That concludes our disagreement. Continue on with your objective observations.

glad I listed a lot more than just points/rebounds, huh?

[Bob8]

I think Zion is awesome. His one year at Duke was so much fun to watch. What he did last night had me pumping my fist. He is not a bad defender. He will struggle in some facets of defense. However, he has quick hands, a powerful frame, and is a smart kid.

I did read that NOP was trying to teach him how to run. Might be the reason he looks awkward. Trying to buy in to the running technique. A bit strange to me to try and teach that, but that's what it is.

No chance he passes Morant, unless he does something unheard of. Maybe the 27, 9, and 3 someone alluded to earlier. Not many in the L putting that up, much less a rookie though.

Not awesome enough to beat JA.

How would have people rated his performance, if he haven’t had hit those 3s?

Let's not dissect one game. One game doesn't win ROY.

I expect Zion to play fairly well consistently. He's a very good player. I don't think he beats Ja. I don't really care either. I care more about how he blends in with the rest of the youth the Pelicans have. It's be great if they all figured out how to complement each other and maximize their games together. That's an exciting team, potentially.

That’s kinda my point. We cannot say much after first game, especially when points came from unexpected direction. If we forget stats, there should be a lot of questions about his weight and movement. He might be freak of nature, but still...

[Feel_the_Heat15]

I'm so down on my team right now, it's hard to get excited about anything... but I'm starting to get excited about Doumbouya.

Kid can score from anywhere. If he works hard... better shape, better handle, better defense... he could be a real star. His touch from literally everywhere is really impressive, something you probably just can't teach.

You're setting yourself up for disappointment. According to my projections, he's going to come down to Earth soon.

What leads you to these projections? Not saying he won’t, just curious as to how you decided that. I haven’t seen him play, but I really want to watch him soon. He got me excited because I picked him up in fantasy, but I still haven’t seen him yet.

His teammates were getting him good shots.

[Dacost]

Ja is playing at a almost all star level and has almost a 50 game head start on Zion.

Yet the media is still picking Zion to win ROY.....I'm I the only one who thinks this is crazy???

[Lalouie]

there is no top3.
there's only ja but he isn't luka-style dominant enough to grab all the votes.

however, one must ask oneself - any vote cast for anyone else is like, what did they do to earn a roy???????

[clyde21]

Ja: 16/2/12
Clarke: 15/11/1/1

[FinNasty]

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