RGM GOAT Debate Thread (Part 2)

[The Master]

Yeah, he ended the debate, the power of his arguments will be studied for centuries.

[bledredwine]

I've been rewatching some parts of full games. Man, MJ's passing is criminally underrated.
He's almost always making the best decision.

This is what he looks like when he plays a top of the key role instead of the later elbow role in the system.

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1991 Finals averages - 31.2 ppg, 11.4 apg (3rd all time), 6.6 rpg, 2.8 stl, 1.4 bpg, 55.8 FG%, 3.2 TO pg.

I wish they had the plus minus for him during his prime. They only have the last two championships (+6 in 96-97 and +36 in 97-98)

[lessthanjake]

I've been rewatching some parts of full games. Man, MJ's passing is criminally underrated.
He's almost always making the best decision.

This is what he looks like when he plays a top of the key role instead of the later elbow role in the system.

Watch on YouTube

1991 Finals averages - 31.2 ppg, 11.4 apg (3rd all time), 6.6 rpg, 2.8 stl, 1.4 bpg, 55.8 FG%, 3.2 TO pg.

I wish they had the plus minus for him during his prime. They only have the last two championships (+6 in 96-97 and +36 in 97-98)

We have more plus-minus data for Jordan than you might think, actually. In fact, we have the plus-minus for all of his playoff games. See the following thread I put together last year: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=107966922#p107966922. I think there might be even more regular season data now, since I think Squared has done some more tracking since I last updated that post. But, even as it is, the thread has on-off data for over 60% of the games Jordan played for the Bulls.

[bledredwine]

I've been rewatching some parts of full games. Man, MJ's passing is criminally underrated.
He's almost always making the best decision.

This is what he looks like when he plays a top of the key role instead of the later elbow role in the system.

Watch on YouTube

1991 Finals averages - 31.2 ppg, 11.4 apg (3rd all time), 6.6 rpg, 2.8 stl, 1.4 bpg, 55.8 FG%, 3.2 TO pg.

I wish they had the plus minus for him during his prime. They only have the last two championships (+6 in 96-97 and +36 in 97-98)

We have more plus-minus data for Jordan than you might think, actually. In fact, we have the plus-minus for all of his playoff games. See the following thread I put together last year: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=107966922#p107966922. I think there might be even more regular season data now, since I think Squared has done some more tracking since I last updated that post. But, even as it is, the thread has on-off data for over 60% of the games Jordan played for the Bulls.

Awesome, thanks!

[JigenDaisuke]

If I had the number 1 pick in the all time NBA draft for every player that ever played I’m taking Michael Jordan.

[bledredwine]

I've been rewatching some parts of full games. Man, MJ's passing is criminally underrated.
He's almost always making the best decision.

This is what he looks like when he plays a top of the key role instead of the later elbow role in the system.

Watch on YouTube

1991 Finals averages - 31.2 ppg, 11.4 apg (3rd all time), 6.6 rpg, 2.8 stl, 1.4 bpg, 55.8 FG%, 3.2 TO pg.

I wish they had the plus minus for him during his prime. They only have the last two championships (+6 in 96-97 and +36 in 97-98)

We have more plus-minus data for Jordan than you might think, actually. In fact, we have the plus-minus for all of his playoff games. See the following thread I put together last year: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=107966922#p107966922. I think there might be even more regular season data now, since I think Squared has done some more tracking since I last updated that post. But, even as it is, the thread has on-off data for over 60% of the games Jordan played for the Bulls.

These on/off numbers are incredible! He was a true video game character in the 80s.

Kudos to you for an awesome job. I really respect the data that you've put together.

[Jamaaliver]

The Big Fundamental!
Duncan had the skill and accomplishments to be in the GOAT Debate...but admittedly his production is lacking.

That entire system/culture was built upon occasional dominance with shared production as opposed to the best player carrying the offense every game.

But TD was cold. Maybe the most flawless player I ever watched.

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[Jamaaliver]

His top-3 feels rock solid.

But no Steph or Kareem in the top-10 is kinda

Spoiler:

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[NyKnicks1714]

Not sure if it's been talked about in this thread, but who do you guys think is better: LeBron or Jordan?

[SlimShady83]

Not sure if it's been talked about in this thread, but who do you guys think is better: LeBron or Jordan?

According to Shaq, Jordan is and Kobe better then Lebron