Stephen Curry has been totally exposed

[bovice]

That Curry doesn’t have a diverse skill set on offense is the dumbest trope I’ve heard. A lot of people seem to still think that all he does is shoot 3s.

Curry this season is leading in PPP on practically every ball handling play except for post-ups. He’s in the 100th percentile as a pick and roll ball-handler, in isolation and on spot-ups. 99th percentile in dribble hand-offs.

points per game isn't a skillset. i'm looking at his highlights vs the 76ers and he's hitting his long ball, that's cool. but again, that's not reliable in the playoffs. when offenses attack you on the other end, you're not gonna have ur legs underneath you to be hitting those shots in the 4th quarter of a game 4/5/6/7. you're not going to beat teams in the 2nd/3rd round of the playoffs relying on dribble hand-offs.

i'm not saying curry isn't exciting to watch, he is, but his dominance is overstated. you're not gonna win championships with deep 3s and fast-breaks as your primary tools

GSW would have cantered home every championship win since 15’ if not for injuries lol
Curry was playing with g leaguers against Raptors for a time and went nutso some games. His 15’ run is very underrated.
Curry with fully fit Klay this year would be a legit threat to everybody. It’s just that predicating on a jump shooter can look different but that impact is just the same as every other championship core in history. All time great

he is more more exposed to more robust hubs (James, Durant) but as pound for pound at 6”3” you can’t find much better to build a championship winning dynasty around with. I mean when you have the greatest shooter ever you might as well capitalize on it up as much as possible.

Miller/Nash/Stockton isn’t on Curry’s level but I still think they themselves and the team didn’t capitalize on their strengths enough. Alluding to Nash’s statement about shooting/scoring more.

i am not denying curry isn't great. he's one of the most influential players if not the most influential player of the last 10 years. he's the greatest shooter to ever play and it's not even close. all im saying is his style of play and physical abilities aren't ideal to winning championships. i don't think theyre gonna be contenders with a healthy klay next year or the year after that. i think they are a regular season team that caught a string of luck in 2015 and their inadequacies were covered up with the addition of KD.

gsw would have lost in '15 to memphis or cleveland if weren't injured if we're gonna play hypotheticals

[rtiff68]

you know how good portland would be if dame made 15 mil instead of 35 mil? or what about if kawhi took a 20 mil paycut. context matters to these championships. you can scream 3 rings all you want, but it doesn't mean what you think it means.

I’m not “screaming 3 rings.” My first response to you was simple facts that directly ran in the face of your take...that “Curry’s legs wouldn’t last late in a series on those jump-shots.”

Yeah, well, they already did. It already happened.

What’s your next argument? LeBron can’t win in the west?

Why do people go down in flames when the boat is 90% sunk?

again, that 2015 run was a fluke.

name another time when every team that faced the eventual champions had a key injury (pbev/tony allen/conley/jrue/love/kyrie). name another time when a core player on a championship team had yet to ever make it to a conference finals before. these things matter. experience matters when it comes to winning championships.

we're never gonna agree with each other so this back and forth is pointless.

Here’s what I’ll name...

1) Name a team that had the success of the 2015 and 2016 Warriors where the second best player was worse than Klay Thompson and Draymond Green? Don’t get me wrong, I love those guys, but...c’mon. Go over every team that’s won the title since the merger.

2) The 2015 Warriors also went through the much tougher Conference...also, how many other times has a team won the title going through every other member of the All NBA 1st team, all of whom were healthy (AD, Gasol, Harden, LeBron)? Spoiler: it was the only time!

“EZest path evur though because Mike Conley missed a game in the 2nd round and Kyrie and Love— the most durable players ever— missed basically all of the Finals.”

[BoatsNZones]

points per game isn't a skillset. i'm looking at his highlights vs the 76ers and he's hitting his long ball, that's cool. but again, that's not reliable in the playoffs. when offenses attack you on the other end, you're not gonna have ur legs underneath you to be hitting those shots in the 4th quarter of a game 4/5/6/7. you're not going to beat teams in the 2nd/3rd round of the playoffs relying on dribble hand-offs.

i'm not saying curry isn't exciting to watch, he is, but his dominance is overstated. you're not gonna win championships with deep 3s and fast-breaks as your primary tools

GSW would have cantered home every championship win since 15’ if not for injuries lol
Curry was playing with g leaguers against Raptors for a time and went nutso some games. His 15’ run is very underrated.
Curry with fully fit Klay this year would be a legit threat to everybody. It’s just that predicating on a jump shooter can look different but that impact is just the same as every other championship core in history. All time great

he is more more exposed to more robust hubs (James, Durant) but as pound for pound at 6”3” you can’t find much better to build a championship winning dynasty around with. I mean when you have the greatest shooter ever you might as well capitalize on it up as much as possible.

Miller/Nash/Stockton isn’t on Curry’s level but I still think they themselves and the team didn’t capitalize on their strengths enough. Alluding to Nash’s statement about shooting/scoring more.

i am not denying curry isn't great. he's one of the most influential players if not the most influential player of the last 10 years. he's the greatest shooter to ever play and it's not even close. all im saying is his style of play and physical abilities aren't ideal to winning championships. i don't think theyre gonna be contenders with a healthy klay next year or the year after that. i think they are a regular season team that caught a string of luck in 2015 and their inadequacies were covered up with the addition of KD.

gsw would have lost in '15 to memphis or cleveland if weren't injured if we're gonna play hypotheticals

You do realize that 2016 happened and that if not for their own bad injury luck they were going to win another title? And even with it were a bounce away from doing so? The next 3 years also happened, and he still nearly took them to another title with 3/4ths of his team down in 2019.

Like buddy, you’ve been proven wrong. This isn’t a hypothetical. You’re the last guy standing on a hill that was nuked.

[bovice]

I’m not “screaming 3 rings.” My first response to you was simple facts that directly ran in the face of your take...that “Curry’s legs wouldn’t last late in a series on those jump-shots.”

Yeah, well, they already did. It already happened.

What’s your next argument? LeBron can’t win in the west?

Why do people go down in flames when the boat is 90% sunk?

again, that 2015 run was a fluke.

name another time when every team that faced the eventual champions had a key injury (pbev/tony allen/conley/jrue/love/kyrie). name another time when a core player on a championship team had yet to ever make it to a conference finals before. these things matter. experience matters when it comes to winning championships.

we're never gonna agree with each other so this back and forth is pointless.

Here’s what I’ll name...

1) Name a team that had the success of the 2015 and 2016 Warriors where the second best player was worse than Klay Thompson and Draymond Green? Don’t get me wrong, I love those guys, but...c’mon. Go over every team that’s won the title since the merger.

2) The 2015 Warriors also went through the much tougher Conference...also, how many other times has a team won the title going through every other member of the All NBA 1st team, all of whom were healthy (AD, Gasol, Harden, LeBron)? Spoiler: it was the only time!

“EZest path evur though because Mike Conley missed a game in the 2nd round and Kyrie and Love— the most durable players ever— missed basically all of the Finals.”

you're not providing the contexts behind your facts. everyone on that all nba team had an injured team. injured+dysfunctional in the case of the rockets. Conley missed one game but had a fractured orbital. look at how bad his stats were when he came back from that injury.

and sure other players have had better 2nd and 3rd stars but fit is just as important. klay and draymond compliment curry so well that it made up for the talent. it's not just that though. go through any teams seeded 3-7 in the west and cut their best players salary by 20 mil and that team will become a contender with the extra salary cap. that warrior team was deep.

[SalmonsSuperfan]

cant believe this thread is 98 pages long. most successful troll in realgm history

[rtiff68]

again, that 2015 run was a fluke.

name another time when every team that faced the eventual champions had a key injury (pbev/tony allen/conley/jrue/love/kyrie). name another time when a core player on a championship team had yet to ever make it to a conference finals before. these things matter. experience matters when it comes to winning championships.

we're never gonna agree with each other so this back and forth is pointless.

Here’s what I’ll name...

1) Name a team that had the success of the 2015 and 2016 Warriors where the second best player was worse than Klay Thompson and Draymond Green? Don’t get me wrong, I love those guys, but...c’mon. Go over every team that’s won the title since the merger.

2) The 2015 Warriors also went through the much tougher Conference...also, how many other times has a team won the title going through every other member of the All NBA 1st team, all of whom were healthy (AD, Gasol, Harden, LeBron)? Spoiler: it was the only time!

“EZest path evur though because Mike Conley missed a game in the 2nd round and Kyrie and Love— the most durable players ever— missed basically all of the Finals.”

you're not providing the contexts behind your facts. everyone on that all nba team had an injured team. injured+dysfunctional in the case of the rockets. Conley missed one game but had a fractured orbital. look at how bad his stats were when he came back from that injury.

and sure other players have had better 2nd and 3rd stars but fit is just as important. klay and draymond compliment curry so well that it made up for the talent. it's not just that though. go through any teams seeded 3-7 in the west and cut their best players salary by 20 mil and that team will become a contender with the extra salary cap. that warrior team was deep.

Yeah, ok. You’re not providing context either. That’s the point. You’re cherry picking “facts” to further your narrative. Compare their run— with their total talent, and considering their opposition, healthy or not— to every Finals team since the ‘80’s. Do you have any idea how bad the WC was in the ‘80’s? The EC the past 20 years, more or less?

Just stop, man.

[nfmos]

you know how good portland would be if dame made 15 mil instead of 35 mil? or what about if kawhi took a 20 mil paycut. context matters to these championships. you can scream 3 rings all you want, but it doesn't mean what you think it means.

I’m not “screaming 3 rings.” My first response to you was simple facts that directly ran in the face of your take...that “Curry’s legs wouldn’t last late in a series on those jump-shots.”

Yeah, well, they already did. It already happened.

What’s your next argument? LeBron can’t win in the west?

Why do people go down in flames when the boat is 90% sunk?

again, that 2015 run was a fluke.

name another time when every team that faced the eventual champions had a key injury (pbev/tony allen/conley/jrue/love/kyrie). name another time when a core player on a championship team had yet to ever make it to a conference finals before. these things matter. experience matters when it comes to winning championships.

we're never gonna agree with each other so this back and forth is pointless.

Yes because you have dipped into some qanon/flatearth/bigfoot level of ignoring reality. You say that title was a fluke yet because of injuries to opponents yet the next year they set a regular season wins record, go 4-1 against harden and the rockets, 4-1 against dame and the blazers, come back from 3-1 against the Thunder, and got to the last minute in game 7 against the Cavs even though Curry sprained his MCL in the playoffs, Draymond missed a game from suspension, and Boguts season ended in game 5 due to injury, but you are allowed to say it was fluke when they Warriors won against injuries but not when its the other way around?

There are people like you that hold on to your agenda regardless of all the facts and data that prove you wrong, and its just really weird to see.

[bovice]

Here’s what I’ll name...

1) Name a team that had the success of the 2015 and 2016 Warriors where the second best player was worse than Klay Thompson and Draymond Green? Don’t get me wrong, I love those guys, but...c’mon. Go over every team that’s won the title since the merger.

2) The 2015 Warriors also went through the much tougher Conference...also, how many other times has a team won the title going through every other member of the All NBA 1st team, all of whom were healthy (AD, Gasol, Harden, LeBron)? Spoiler: it was the only time!

“EZest path evur though because Mike Conley missed a game in the 2nd round and Kyrie and Love— the most durable players ever— missed basically all of the Finals.”

you're not providing the contexts behind your facts. everyone on that all nba team had an injured team. injured+dysfunctional in the case of the rockets. Conley missed one game but had a fractured orbital. look at how bad his stats were when he came back from that injury.

and sure other players have had better 2nd and 3rd stars but fit is just as important. klay and draymond compliment curry so well that it made up for the talent. it's not just that though. go through any teams seeded 3-7 in the west and cut their best players salary by 20 mil and that team will become a contender with the extra salary cap. that warrior team was deep.

Yeah, ok. You’re not providing context either. That’s the point. You’re cherry picking “facts” to further your narrative. Compare their run— with their total talent, and considering their opposition, healthy or not— to every Finals team since the ‘80’s. Do you have any idea how bad the WC was in the ‘80’s? The EC the past 20 years, more or less?

Just stop, man.

I'm providing you with the context to your facts and I should also provide context to the facts that you claim I'm cherry picking with? this isn't worth discussing. just continue to watch curry struggle to make it past the 1st round for the rest of his career and you can revisit this topic when he retires.

[rtiff68]

you're not providing the contexts behind your facts. everyone on that all nba team had an injured team. injured+dysfunctional in the case of the rockets. Conley missed one game but had a fractured orbital. look at how bad his stats were when he came back from that injury.

and sure other players have had better 2nd and 3rd stars but fit is just as important. klay and draymond compliment curry so well that it made up for the talent. it's not just that though. go through any teams seeded 3-7 in the west and cut their best players salary by 20 mil and that team will become a contender with the extra salary cap. that warrior team was deep.

Yeah, ok. You’re not providing context either. That’s the point. You’re cherry picking “facts” to further your narrative. Compare their run— with their total talent, and considering their opposition, healthy or not— to every Finals team since the ‘80’s. Do you have any idea how bad the WC was in the ‘80’s? The EC the past 20 years, more or less?

Just stop, man.

I'm providing you with the context to your facts and I should also provide context to the facts that you claim I'm cherry picking with? this isn't worth discussing. just continue to watch curry struggle to make it past the 1st round for the rest of his career and you can revisit this topic when he retires.

It isn’t worth discussing, because you keep moving the goalposts, and refuse to acknowledge that you were wrong when you were wrong, even in the face of overwhelming evidence.

You win, bud.

[michaelm]

you're not providing the contexts behind your facts. everyone on that all nba team had an injured team. injured+dysfunctional in the case of the rockets. Conley missed one game but had a fractured orbital. look at how bad his stats were when he came back from that injury.

and sure other players have had better 2nd and 3rd stars but fit is just as important. klay and draymond compliment curry so well that it made up for the talent. it's not just that though. go through any teams seeded 3-7 in the west and cut their best players salary by 20 mil and that team will become a contender with the extra salary cap. that warrior team was deep.

Yeah, ok. You’re not providing context either. That’s the point. You’re cherry picking “facts” to further your narrative. Compare their run— with their total talent, and considering their opposition, healthy or not— to every Finals team since the ‘80’s. Do you have any idea how bad the WC was in the ‘80’s? The EC the past 20 years, more or less?

Just stop, man.

I'm providing you with the context to your facts and I should also provide context to the facts that you claim I'm cherry picking with? this isn't worth discussing. just continue to watch curry struggle to make it past the 1st round for the rest of his career and you can revisit this topic when he retires.

So you are basically relying on speculation/an hypothesis about Curry’s future, having moved the goalposts after what he has already done in the regular season as has been pointed out, to back up your argument ?. Not evidence by any criterion I am afraid.

[bovice]

I’m not “screaming 3 rings.” My first response to you was simple facts that directly ran in the face of your take...that “Curry’s legs wouldn’t last late in a series on those jump-shots.”

Yeah, well, they already did. It already happened.

What’s your next argument? LeBron can’t win in the west?

Why do people go down in flames when the boat is 90% sunk?

again, that 2015 run was a fluke.

name another time when every team that faced the eventual champions had a key injury (pbev/tony allen/conley/jrue/love/kyrie). name another time when a core player on a championship team had yet to ever make it to a conference finals before. these things matter. experience matters when it comes to winning championships.

we're never gonna agree with each other so this back and forth is pointless.

Yes because you have dipped into some qanon/flatearth/bigfoot level of ignoring reality. You say that title was a fluke yet because of injuries to opponents yet the next year they set a regular season wins record, go 4-1 against harden and the rockets, 4-1 against dame and the blazers, come back from 3-1 against the Thunder, and got to the last minute in game 7 against the Cavs even though Curry sprained his MCL in the playoffs, Draymond missed a game from suspension, and Boguts season ended in game 5 due to injury, but you are allowed to say it was fluke when they Warriors won against injuries but not when its the other way around?

There are people like you that hold on to your agenda regardless of all the facts and data that prove you wrong, and its just really weird to see.

why are you:
1) resorting to grouping me with qanon as an attempt to discredit me instead of actually disproving my argument I'm making.
2) making this about the cavaliers 2017 championship. this isn't about them.

I'm not gonna give you an actual reply. you're getting emotional about this and it's not worth it

[DCasey91]

They split 1-1 anyway (Had Cavs in 15’, GSW in 16’, but switched due to injuries more than anything else from both sides).

super obvious in 19’. Thompson/Durant
17’ and 18’ was a procession (especially 18’ Lebron carried that team).

Can’t factor in injuries.

If anything the added bulk has helped Curry. I reckon they have one more legitimate run at it next year. The three headed monster synergy wise is just too good. Wiggins/Oubre will play the Barnes role.

[nfmos]

again, that 2015 run was a fluke.

name another time when every team that faced the eventual champions had a key injury (pbev/tony allen/conley/jrue/love/kyrie). name another time when a core player on a championship team had yet to ever make it to a conference finals before. these things matter. experience matters when it comes to winning championships.

we're never gonna agree with each other so this back and forth is pointless.

Yes because you have dipped into some qanon/flatearth/bigfoot level of ignoring reality. You say that title was a fluke yet because of injuries to opponents yet the next year they set a regular season wins record, go 4-1 against harden and the rockets, 4-1 against dame and the blazers, come back from 3-1 against the Thunder, and got to the last minute in game 7 against the Cavs even though Curry sprained his MCL in the playoffs, Draymond missed a game from suspension, and Boguts season ended in game 5 due to injury, but you are allowed to say it was fluke when they Warriors won against injuries but not when its the other way around?

There are people like you that hold on to your agenda regardless of all the facts and data that prove you wrong, and its just really weird to see.

why are you:
1) resorting to grouping me with qanon as an attempt to discredit me instead of actually disproving my argument I'm making.
2) making this about the cavaliers 2017 championship. this isn't about them.

I'm not gonna give you an actual reply. you're getting emotional about this and it's not worth it

Way to dip out. Its the 2016 championship, not 2017, the Warriors were champions that year. And i brought it up because it directly relates to your assertion that Curry couldnt lead a team because that was before Durant joined and they still got to the last minute of game 7 even with their injuries and Draymonds suspension, but you somehow dont give them the same benefit that you hold against them the year before.

You are stubbornly holding your line against all facts to the contrary. But i guess its easier to argue in hypotheticals.

[michaelm]

again, that 2015 run was a fluke.

name another time when every team that faced the eventual champions had a key injury (pbev/tony allen/conley/jrue/love/kyrie). name another time when a core player on a championship team had yet to ever make it to a conference finals before. these things matter. experience matters when it comes to winning championships.

we're never gonna agree with each other so this back and forth is pointless.

Yes because you have dipped into some qanon/flatearth/bigfoot level of ignoring reality. You say that title was a fluke yet because of injuries to opponents yet the next year they set a regular season wins record, go 4-1 against harden and the rockets, 4-1 against dame and the blazers, come back from 3-1 against the Thunder, and got to the last minute in game 7 against the Cavs even though Curry sprained his MCL in the playoffs, Draymond missed a game from suspension, and Boguts season ended in game 5 due to injury, but you are allowed to say it was fluke when they Warriors won against injuries but not when its the other way around?

There are people like you that hold on to your agenda regardless of all the facts and data that prove you wrong, and its just really weird to see.

why are you:
1) resorting to grouping me with qanon as an attempt to discredit me instead of actually disproving my argument I'm making.
2) making this about the cavaliers 2017 championship. this isn't about them.

I'm not gonna give you an actual reply. you're getting emotional about this and it's not worth it

Fair point about Qanon given this a discussion about sport, but who mentioned the 2017 championship ?. And If you are going to make a big thing about advantages GSW might have had in 2015, why are advantages the Cavs might have had in 2016 in a much more closely fought series irrelevant other than because it suits you to maintain this ?.

[Hello Brooklyn]

points per game isn't a skillset. i'm looking at his highlights vs the 76ers and he's hitting his long ball, that's cool. but again, that's not reliable in the playoffs. when offenses attack you on the other end, you're not gonna have ur legs underneath you to be hitting those shots in the 4th quarter of a game 4/5/6/7. you're not going to beat teams in the 2nd/3rd round of the playoffs relying on dribble hand-offs.

i'm not saying curry isn't exciting to watch, he is, but his dominance is overstated. you're not gonna win championships with deep 3s and fast-breaks as your primary tools

GSW would have cantered home every championship win since 15’ if not for injuries lol
Curry was playing with g leaguers against Raptors for a time and went nutso some games. His 15’ run is very underrated.
Curry with fully fit Klay this year would be a legit threat to everybody. It’s just that predicating on a jump shooter can look different but that impact is just the same as every other championship core in history. All time great

he is more more exposed to more robust hubs (James, Durant) but as pound for pound at 6”3” you can’t find much better to build a championship winning dynasty around with. I mean when you have the greatest shooter ever you might as well capitalize on it up as much as possible.

Miller/Nash/Stockton isn’t on Curry’s level but I still think they themselves and the team didn’t capitalize on their strengths enough. Alluding to Nash’s statement about shooting/scoring more.

i am not denying curry isn't great. he's one of the most influential players if not the most influential player of the last 10 years. he's the greatest shooter to ever play and it's not even close. all im saying is his style of play and physical abilities aren't ideal to winning championships. i don't think theyre gonna be contenders with a healthy klay next year or the year after that. i think they are a regular season team that caught a string of luck in 2015 and their inadequacies were covered up with the addition of KD.

gsw would have lost in '15 to memphis or cleveland if weren't injured if we're gonna play hypotheticals

GSW was never going to lose to Memphis

Youre insane if you think that.

Even if you blame Cleveland injuries for '15, they were one shot away from winning in '16.

You can't act like Curry isn't capable of leading a team to a Championship if he was that close and it took a historic performance from LeBron and Kyrie to overcome it.

[DCasey91]

[code][/code]Curry really only has the longevity argument left before he’s rightfully placed in the top 20 all time imo. He has 7 seasons, 10 would do it. His revolutionary impact alone is probably the greatest in NBA history.

I know there was SSOL but it wasn’t until 15’ before the 3point barrage went skyrocketing. That’s the Curry effect.

Durant has been the better individual player overall (Not legacy wise) and I believe Harden/Paul has a very credible argument too. But for Curry and a team’s perspective he has so much value as a byproduct of his play.

Paul has super team value, Harden has super individual value. Both can be very hard to rank all time because of lack of team success. A lot of what if’s/blunders/ worse team better comp etc etc.

Who knows all of their careers haven’t come close to being finished so there’s more chapters to add.

All are playing MVP/All NBA quality.

[WarriorGM]

[code][/code]Curry really only has the longevity argument left before he’s rightfully placed in the top 20 all time imo. He has 7 seasons, 10 would do it. His revolutionary impact alone is probably the greatest in NBA history.

I know there was SSOL but it wasn’t until 15’ before the 3point barrage went skyrocketing. That’s the Curry effect.

Durant has been the better individual player overall (Not legacy wise) and I believe Harden/Paul has a very credible argument too. But for Curry and a team’s perspective he has so much value as a byproduct of his play.

Paul has super team value, Harden has super individual value. Both can be very hard to rank all time because of lack of team success. A lot of what if’s/blunders/ worse team better comp etc etc.

Who knows all of their careers haven’t come close to being finished so there’s more chapters to add.

All are playing MVP/All NBA quality.

Longevity arguments are important for some people not for others. I value the exceptional argument far more. In that regard Curry was there already years ago. Try justifying to someone who doesn't know basketball why the only unanimous MVP and the one who led the team with the highest winning record and the best team in history is only a top 20 player and you're going to end up sounding ridiculous. It's like claiming Carl Lewis is better at the 100 meter dash than Usain Bolt.

[Impuniti]

Imagine using a 7 game series that was won by 1 possession as an example on why a player can't do something.

[DCasey91]

[code][/code]Curry really only has the longevity argument left before he’s rightfully placed in the top 20 all time imo. He has 7 seasons, 10 would do it. His revolutionary impact alone is probably the greatest in NBA history.

I know there was SSOL but it wasn’t until 15’ before the 3point barrage went skyrocketing. That’s the Curry effect.

Durant has been the better individual player overall (Not legacy wise) and I believe Harden/Paul has a very credible argument too. But for Curry and a team’s perspective he has so much value as a byproduct of his play.

Paul has super team value, Harden has super individual value. Both can be very hard to rank all time because of lack of team success. A lot of what if’s/blunders/ worse team better comp etc etc.

Who knows all of their careers haven’t come close to being finished so there’s more chapters to add.

All are playing MVP/All NBA quality.

Longevity arguments are important for some people not for others. I value the exceptional argument far more. In that regard Curry was there already years ago. Try justifying to someone who doesn't know basketball why the only unanimous MVP and the one who led the team with the highest winning record and the best team in history is only a top 20 player and you're going to end up sounding ridiculous. It's like claiming Carl Lewis is better at the 100 meter dash than Usain Bolt.

Well he lost that year injuries aside it came out to be even stevens in the end 15-16 split. Longevity is justified for Curry. Also he’s played with the most talented team in modern times in 17 through until 19.
010-20 I Have Durant as the better individual player outside of Lebron. I mean all of the top 20 all time players have very sound resumes.
Bird by game playoff logs doesn’t look as undeniable as it once was (things sometimes go beyond just raw numbers). but no can deny his peak was good as any (84-87) to have played in NBA history.

He’s the greatest shooter ever no denying that,
besides his career isn’t over yet.

[Wooderson]

you know how good portland would be if dame made 15 mil instead of 35 mil? or what about if kawhi took a 20 mil paycut. context matters to these championships. you can scream 3 rings all you want, but it doesn't mean what you think it means.

Kawhi titles teams had supporting casts that win 55-60 games without him. Nearly every champion had elite supporting casts.