NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21)

BoatsNZones · Post #1941 » by **BoatsNZones** » Tue May 18, 2021 8:47 pm

Seems nobody is taking the bait on the NBAs attempt to get both Embiid and Joker on 1st Team via the forward distinction, which is good.

Bologna Smasher · Post #1942 » by **Bologna Smasher** » Wed May 19, 2021 12:19 am

Looks like Jokic may be on his way to becoming the unanimous MVP.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KMzwRcilLDej0BWl7eYE_OYC9Tx9olI_Ptn-nHjKfpQ/htmlview?pru=AAABeaYI9Lc*TKXY9kY0Wtv7FrxSUoVg8Q#gid=643451732

kuclas · Post #1943 » by **kuclas** » Wed May 19, 2021 2:09 am

BoatsNZones wrote:Seems nobody is taking the bait on the NBAs attempt to get both Embiid and Joker on 1st Team via the forward distinction, which is good.

They are both centers. Embiid is a center. Jokic is a center.

The real issue I have is Anthony Davis being classified as a center for all nba the last few years. When AD does not guard centers often. Probably less than 30% of the time. Just watch the games the last 4-5 seasons. That’s a real problem with me. AD shys away from guarding bigs. Even in New Orleans. He’s got 6 foot 8 Julius Randle guarding centers when Randle played down there.

BoatsNZones · Post #1944 » by **BoatsNZones** » Wed May 19, 2021 7:25 am

Just found a couple Curry MVP votes (not updated on that spreadsheet), so no unanimous for the Joker it seems.

SpreeS · Post #1945 » by **SpreeS** » Wed May 19, 2021 2:17 pm

It would nonsense if Jokic will become UMVP

Colbinii · Post #1946 » by **Colbinii** » Wed May 19, 2021 2:19 pm

SpreeS wrote:It would nonsense if Jokic will become UMVP

Why?

SpreeS · Post #1947 » by **SpreeS** » Wed May 19, 2021 2:22 pm

Colbinii wrote:
SpreeS wrote:It would nonsense if Jokic will become UMVP

Why?

Elite stats and elite record

Janko035 · Post #1948 » by **Janko035** » Wed May 19, 2021 3:48 pm

I just love fact-based arguments, especially when so erudite and clear.

cpower · Post #1949 » by **cpower** » Wed May 19, 2021 3:55 pm

Colbinii wrote:
SpreeS wrote:It would nonsense if Jokic will become UMVP

Why?

its about expectations, if Jokic can win UMVP while leading a team to a 47 win season...whats stopping him to win another 3? i mean its not like 47 win is a high bar...Denver will easily win 50 win next year and 54 next

Lebron has not won a MVP until his team wins 66 games. see my point?

Colbinii · Post #1950 » by **Colbinii** » Wed May 19, 2021 4:24 pm

cpower wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
SpreeS wrote:It would nonsense if Jokic will become UMVP

Why?

its about expectations, if Jokic can win UMVP while leading a team to a 47 win season...whats stopping him to win another 3? i mean its not like 47 win is a high bar...Denver will easily win 50 win next year and 54 next Lebron has not won a MVP until his team wins 66 games. see my point?

I dont see your point. I think there should be more unanimous MVPs. I get why a Warriors fan would like it to be rare :lol:

FinnTheHuman · Post #1951 » by **FinnTheHuman** » Wed May 19, 2021 5:52 pm

cpower wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
SpreeS wrote:It would nonsense if Jokic will become UMVP

Why?

its about expectations, if Jokic can win UMVP while leading a team to a 47 win season...whats stopping him to win another 3? i mean its not like 47 win is a high bar...Denver will easily win 50 win next year and 54 next Lebron has not won a MVP until his team wins 66 games. see my point?

You’re missing this teeny-tiny little fact that this has been a 72-game season:)

Colbinii · Post #1952 » by **Colbinii** » Wed May 19, 2021 5:53 pm

FinnTheHuman wrote:
cpower wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
Why?

its about expectations, if Jokic can win UMVP while leading a team to a 47 win season...whats stopping him to win another 3? i mean its not like 47 win is a high bar...Denver will easily win 50 win next year and 54 next Lebron has not won a MVP until his team wins 66 games. see my point?

You’re missing this teeny-tiny little fact that this has been a 72-game season:)

Karl Malone won with 37 wins.

37 wins!

cpower · Post #1953 » by **cpower** » Wed May 19, 2021 7:46 pm

Colbinii wrote:
FinnTheHuman wrote:
cpower wrote:its about expectations, if Jokic can win UMVP while leading a team to a 47 win season...whats stopping him to win another 3? i mean its not like 47 win is a high bar...Denver will easily win 50 win next year and 54 next Lebron has not won a MVP until his team wins 66 games. see my point?

You’re missing this teeny-tiny little fact that this has been a 72-game season:)

Karl Malone won with 37 wins.

37 wins!

good try. Malone 's winning % is 74% compare to Jokic's 66%.

Jokic has the 2nd lowest winning % in 20 years only behind Westbrook.

Colbinii · Post #1954 » by **Colbinii** » Wed May 19, 2021 7:54 pm

cpower wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
FinnTheHuman wrote:
You’re missing this teeny-tiny little fact that this has been a 72-game season:)

Karl Malone won with 37 wins.

37 wins!

good try. Malone 's winning % is 74% compare to Jokic's 66%.

Jokic has the 2nd lowest winning % in 20 years only behind Westbrook.

Hey, you can have your own idea of what MVP is and I can have mine. My ideology for MVP has Jokic this year just as it did with Curry in 2017.

BelgradeNugget · Post #1955 » by **BelgradeNugget** » Wed May 19, 2021 8:16 pm

cpower wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
FinnTheHuman wrote:
You’re missing this teeny-tiny little fact that this has been a 72-game season:)

Karl Malone won with 37 wins.

37 wins!

good try. Malone 's winning % is 74% compare to Jokic's 66%.

Jokic has the 2nd lowest winning % in 20 years only behind Westbrook.

This just shows how stupid is to try to force Curry into conversation with 54% winning %. Jokic's winning % is at least respectable and he was the best player in the league, while Curry's winning % is laughable and, oh yes, he was scoring champ. So in your opinion Gobert is probably MVP with winning % 72.

cdubbz · Post #1956 » by **cdubbz** » Wed May 19, 2021 8:26 pm

Bologna Smasher wrote:Looks like Jokic may be on his way to becoming the unanimous MVP.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KMzwRcilLDej0BWl7eYE_OYC9Tx9olI_Ptn-nHjKfpQ/htmlview?pru=AAABeaYI9Lc*TKXY9kY0Wtv7FrxSUoVg8Q#gid=643451732

Would be surprised. Especially since Embiid was on the list for a while, CP3 had mentions and How Curry ended the season

BelgradeNugget · Post #1957 » by **BelgradeNugget** » Wed May 19, 2021 8:35 pm

cdubbz wrote:
Bologna Smasher wrote:Looks like Jokic may be on his way to becoming the unanimous MVP.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KMzwRcilLDej0BWl7eYE_OYC9Tx9olI_Ptn-nHjKfpQ/htmlview?pru=AAABeaYI9Lc*TKXY9kY0Wtv7FrxSUoVg8Q#gid=643451732

Would be surprised. Especially since Embiid was on the list for a while, CP3 had mentions and How Curry ended the season

People are cough in overanalyzing this. If Jokic wins MVP unanimously it shouldn't be put in historical perspective, second unanimous after Curry, blah, blah... The fact is that he is having the best case for MVP looking in all criteria like stats, winning, games played, value for team... Every other candidate is low on some of this criteria, he is checking every box. And to vote for anyone else simply to prevent Jokic from winning it anonymously is stupid. It doesn't mean that Jokic's season is second best in history by no means.

BoatsNZones · Post #1958 » by **BoatsNZones** » Wed May 19, 2021 9:09 pm

BelgradeNugget wrote:
cdubbz wrote:
Bologna Smasher wrote:Looks like Jokic may be on his way to becoming the unanimous MVP.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KMzwRcilLDej0BWl7eYE_OYC9Tx9olI_Ptn-nHjKfpQ/htmlview?pru=AAABeaYI9Lc*TKXY9kY0Wtv7FrxSUoVg8Q#gid=643451732

Would be surprised. Especially since Embiid was on the list for a while, CP3 had mentions and How Curry ended the season

People are cough in overanalyzing this. If Jokic wins MVP unanimously it shouldn't be put in historical perspective, second unanimous after Curry, blah, blah... The fact is that he is having the best case for MVP looking in all criteria like stats, winning, games played, value for team... Every other candidate is low on some of this criteria, he is checking every box. And to vote for anyone else simply to prevent Jokic from winning it anonymously is stupid. It doesn't mean that Jokic's season is second best in history by no means.

I agree. He didn’t get unanimous though. Reggie and Jordan Hughes have already said they’re 100% voting Curry, they’re just not on the spreadsheet yet.

cpower · Post #1959 » by **cpower** » Wed May 19, 2021 9:36 pm

Colbinii wrote:
cpower wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
Karl Malone won with 37 wins.

37 wins!

good try. Malone 's winning % is 74% compare to Jokic's 66%.

Jokic has the 2nd lowest winning % in 20 years only behind Westbrook.

Hey, you can have your own idea of what MVP is and I can have mine. My ideology for MVP has Jokic this year just as it did with Curry in 2017.

we are aligned then:

my final ranking:
1. Jokic (good record with less help from last year)
2. Curry (best player in the league, improved 20+ wins)
3. Gobert (best player on best team)
4. Embiid (if he plays 20 more games he would be my top pick)
5. CP3 (best player on 2nd best team)

dygaction · Post #1960 » by **dygaction** » Wed May 19, 2021 10:46 pm

BelgradeNugget wrote:
cdubbz wrote:
Bologna Smasher wrote:Looks like Jokic may be on his way to becoming the unanimous MVP.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KMzwRcilLDej0BWl7eYE_OYC9Tx9olI_Ptn-nHjKfpQ/htmlview?pru=AAABeaYI9Lc*TKXY9kY0Wtv7FrxSUoVg8Q#gid=643451732

Would be surprised. Especially since Embiid was on the list for a while, CP3 had mentions and How Curry ended the season

People are cough in overanalyzing this. If Jokic wins MVP unanimously it shouldn't be put in historical perspective, second unanimous after Curry, blah, blah... The fact is that he is having the best case for MVP looking in all criteria like stats, winning, games played, value for team... Every other candidate is low on some of this criteria, he is checking every box. And to vote for anyone else simply to prevent Jokic from winning it anonymously is stupid. It doesn't mean that Jokic's season is second best in history by no means.

Unanimous is extremely challenging as there will always be biased voters and haters. Just think that LeBron's 2013 was ruined by one vote to Melo, and KG 2014 lost two votes to Jermaine O'Neal :banghead:

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Who be's the MVPs?