Windhorst: Kyrie Irving asked to be traded last week (Spurs, Heat, Wolves, Knicks) Updt pg. 30

[Chris Porter's Hair]

I kept tryin to tell people that the Cavs arent trading Kyrie for f'n Carmelo Anthony. They are goign to get a HAUL

Let the bidding war begin #toldyouso

This is a weird time to invoke "I told you so" when:
1) Nothing has actually happened
2) I'm not sure most people would characterize Fox as a HAUL
3) The prevailing opinion in the thread so far feels like the Kings should say no to such a proposal

[omerome]

Cavs got the #1 pick 3 of 4 years and they're unlucky?

That's what I'm saying. They are far from unlucky.

We have been lucky recently.

There was even some form of unlucky-ness with those three picks - Irving, Bennett and Wiggins - imagine they were all on the Cavs - that's a dumpster fire of a team. Meanwhile around those guys Wall, AD and numerous other stars came into the league.

The only actual luck the Cavs have had was drafting LeBron, LeBron coming back (wouldn't have traded for Love if he didn't), and the finals we won.

I'm happy - I got to see a title, and next year isn't out of the realm of possibility - but going back in an all time sense, yes the Cavs have been pretty unlucky. Outside of LeBron the franchise has had virtually no success. Seeing a Lakers fan take pleasure in the Cavs demise is like seeing a rich man be happy that a guy who was poor but then won the lottery proceeds to lose it all.

I understand that hate comes with having LBJ on your team, but outside of the past 3 years, the Cavs really haven't had any long-term sustained success.

While you haven't hit on all of your #1 picks, the fact that you had several of them is pretty amazing. Many franchises can't even claim ONE to their name in the past 15 years and some can't claim any - EVER. I'm a Knicks fan and I wish I had half of the luck your team has had recently.

Sorry, if I don't feel bad or anything for what the Cavs are going through now. It could be much MUCH worse. At least you have something to celebrate. Many others do not. Sure some Laker fans relishing in your "demise" is in poor taste, but even you have had more to cheer about than they did recently even though in the grand scheme of things, their accomplishments trumps most teams.

[gino_giode]

Why are so many "Cavs" fans **** on Kyrie right now? Anybody with common sense can see LeBron brings with him a soap opera of problems. LeBron is passive aggressive and he's a hypocrite. He'll crap all over his teammates for not trying hard, but willing to take a seat on the bench in the middle of the game just cuz.

Kyrie simply doesn't want his career to be orchestrated by LeBron, and he's willing to forgo a sure chance of reaching the playoffs and even the finals to pursue his dream his own way. Call it an ego trip or whatever, but it's at least refreshing that some guys won't gargle LeBron's nutsack.

Kyrie was willing to lead a young, rebuilding team and recruit stars to play with him. Then in 11 days it changed to whatever LeBron wants he gets. It's unfortunate that LeBron just wants old washed up shooters who play no defense and threw out every young prospect and draft pick to do so. This team was a joke in the finals despite having a great offense all year, and it only gets worse with age.

Anyways, Cavs fans should be happy Kyrie is leaving because if LeBron is as narcissistic as we all think, he'll stay in Cleveland to counter all the chatter of him to LA being a reason Kyrie wants out now.

[brannigan73]

If Cleveland is ready to give up on retaining Lebron and rebuilding I think Fox would be a fine return for Irving. I think some people are delusional about what Cleveland is going to get for Irving. I mean I saw one trade that would net the Cavs Bledsoe and Jackson. I mean I don't see Phoenix making that trade at all. Kyrie Irving as your best player is a ticket to 35 wins a year. He doesn't make other players betters and takes a lot of difficult shots. Advanced plus minus stats don't really love him either. If I had to rate him among all NBA players he would probably be in the 20-30 range somehwere and falling fast with young studs like Embiid, Porzingis, Simmons, Ball, and Fultz ready to ascend.

[CptCrunch]

The only things Irving has over Paul is youth and contract length. Harden would be Houstons real pg and #1, so Irving wouldn't be happy in Houston either. Paul is the better player, was recruited by Harden himself, he wants to be in Houston, and he attracts talented players to Houston. Houston turns it down easily..

It is really not about being #1. It is about living in LeBron's shadows. LeBron gets all the praise and no one on the team gets any credit.

LeBron gets to be the #1 option, the spotlight player, the general manager, the coach, the shot caller. He can get coach fired and players traded. LeBron traded away the #1 pick for Wiggins then proceeds to dangle Love like a carrot every off-season for years.

Average 25/5 on 48/44/88 in 2016, 26/6 on 47/37/91 in 2017, but LeBron always needs more. LeBron is disappointed about the Cavs offseason and proceeds to leak Irving's trade request.

Irving is now all of a sudden a team cancer who can't lead a team anywhere. You got LeBron-stans, Wizards, Celtics, and Blazers fans coming out of the woodwork to put Irving down.

[LivingLegend]

Regarding the finals....lol okay..

Why are people excited that the Cavs are imploding? Despite this recent success, overall this franchise has been terribly unlucky, and yet people are excited that this typically unlucky franchise seems to be on the brink of disaster?

Its not all people. Its Lakers fans because they hate LeBron.

If they hate him then why are they already dreaming and making plans of him coming to the Lakers?

Exactly....

[Bobalob]

I kept tryin to tell people that the Cavs arent trading Kyrie for f'n Carmelo Anthony. They are goign to get a HAUL

Let the bidding war begin #toldyouso

This is a weird time to invoke "I told you so" when:
1) Nothing has actually happened
2) I'm not sure most people would characterize Fox as a HAUL
3) The prevailing opinion in the thread so far feels like the Kings should say no to such a proposal

The last 3 days i've been hearing 'Yea Kyire for Melo is good deal'

Meanwhile just today alone i've seen rumors of Kyrie trades lead by Fox, Kemba Walker, and Andrew Wiggins...

So, yea, this is a perfect time to say i told you so.

[LivingLegend]

Why are so many "Cavs" fans **** on Kyrie right now? Anybody with common sense can see LeBron brings with him a soap opera of problems. LeBron is passive aggressive and he's a hypocrite. He'll crap all over his teammates for not trying hard, but willing to take a seat on the bench in the middle of the game just cuz.

Kyrie simply doesn't want his career to be orchestrated by LeBron, and he's willing to forgo a sure chance of reaching the playoffs and even the finals to pursue his dream his own way. Call it an ego trip or whatever, but it's at least refreshing that some guys won't gargle LeBron's nutsack.

Kyrie was willing to lead a young, rebuilding team and recruit stars to play with him. Then in 11 days it changed to whatever LeBron wants he gets. It's unfortunate that LeBron just wants old washed up shooters who play no defense and threw out every young prospect and draft pick to do so. This team was a joke in the finals despite having a great offense all year, and it only gets worse with age.

Anyways, Cavs fans should be happy Kyrie is leaving because if LeBron is as narcissistic as we all think, he'll stay in Cleveland to counter all the chatter of him to LA being a reason Kyrie wants out now.

For the simple fact that everybody is glossing over for some reason. HES UNDER CONTRACT.

Like I have said in 10 previous posts, not all Cavs fans would hate Kyrie if he just decided to go his separate way after his contract expired and he was a FA. His words and response would be 100% understandable at that junction. The fact that hes causing internal drama when he is smack dab in the middle of a 5 year deal he signed by demanding a trade away from a title contender is the frustrating part to Cavs fans.

HIS talent was a major reason why LeBron came back in the first place and now hes bolting because he has a equally large ego about his self worth as LeBron does basically ending the Cavs fans 5-7 year awesome window of championship runs prematurely at 3 years.

[Chris Porter's Hair]

I kept tryin to tell people that the Cavs arent trading Kyrie for f'n Carmelo Anthony. They are goign to get a HAUL

Let the bidding war begin #toldyouso

Just like Butler, George, and Boogie were going to get huge hauls.

George had 1 year left on his deal and made it clear he wants to go 'home', Cousins had off the court baggage, and Jimmy Butler is older (and chicago waited 1 year too long)

Kyrie is going to demand bank bet that

I think your point here is that all those other guys had mitigating circumstances that hurt their value. It has now become public that Kyrie wants out of Cleveland; historically that sort of thing has hurt trade value at least as much as a lot of the other things you're listing. That definitely factors into my math; if Cleveland had been quietly shopping Irving around draft time, I think they might very well have gotten something comparable to what Chicago got for Butler. But given that Cleveland's position is now compromised, and a lot of flexibility has been removed from the market, I'll be surprised if they get something comparable. I think targeting someone like Fox is actually about right; find a team that would rather turn a promising rookie contract guy into a young, more "sure thing" player. Which I wouldn't call a HAUL. But is about what you might hope for in such a position.

[SacKingZZZ]

This isn't true. A Kings insider already shot this down. Next! They went as far as to tell him Fox is their franchise PG.

[Chris Porter's Hair]

I kept tryin to tell people that the Cavs arent trading Kyrie for f'n Carmelo Anthony. They are goign to get a HAUL

Let the bidding war begin #toldyouso

This is a weird time to invoke "I told you so" when:
1) Nothing has actually happened
2) I'm not sure most people would characterize Fox as a HAUL
3) The prevailing opinion in the thread so far feels like the Kings should say no to such a proposal

The last 3 days i've been hearing 'Yea Kyire for Melo is good deal'

Meanwhile just today alone i've seen rumors of Kyrie trades lead by Fox, Kemba Walker, and Andrew Wiggins...

So, yea, this is a perfect time to say i told you so.

You don't seem to be discussing in good faith, so I'll bow out of this. There is a huge leap between the various things you're saying. I would agree Kyrie for Melo is broken in the other direction. Cleveland should/will get more than that. But there is a huge gap between that and a "haul". That sounds like the surprising deal that Denver got when dealing away Carmelo years ago. If they get someone like Fox, Walker, or Wiggins, I'd say they did fine under the circumstances. But any of those likely make them worse, and I wouldn't portray it like they're doing great.

[Chris Porter's Hair]

I think this would be good for Houston just based on age/health. But I'm chuckling at the idea of, "LeBron is too ball dominant, so I want to leave and go play with James Harden."

[rpa]

Is this the same Sam Amico that said that the Kings were going after Aldridge?

Read on Twitter

Yes, yes it was. Guy's full of ****. May as well quote a RealGM ballboy.

[Bobalob]

Just like Butler, George, and Boogie were going to get huge hauls.

George had 1 year left on his deal and made it clear he wants to go 'home', Cousins had off the court baggage, and Jimmy Butler is older (and chicago waited 1 year too long)

Kyrie is going to demand bank bet that

I think your point here is that all those other guys had mitigating circumstances that hurt their value. It has now become public that Kyrie wants out of Cleveland; historically that sort of thing has hurt trade value at least as much as a lot of the other things you're listing. That definitely factors into my math; if Cleveland had been quietly shopping Irving around draft time, I think they might very well have gotten something comparable to what Chicago got for Butler. But given that Cleveland's position is now compromised, and a lot of flexibility has been removed from the market, I'll be surprised if they get something comparable. I think targeting someone like Fox is actually about right; find a team that would rather turn a promising rookie contract guy into a young, more "sure thing" player. Which I wouldn't call a HAUL. But is about what you might hope for in such a position.

25 year old elite point guard in a point guard dominated league i repeat he's gonna get a haul.

What other situation are you comparing to? When was the last time a 25 year old 'clean' top 15 player in the league has been traded?

Kyrie dont pass, he chucks, etc, etc, man bump all that show me your alternative. Top 15 in the league, cant be guarded, will put butts in seats, and people talking like they wanna play Atlanta Hawks analytical moneyball ball with bunch of role players. Get outta here lol

[wickedwrister]

Houston because of logistics. Kyrie wants out of Lebron's shadow and is now going to be happy working off ball with Harden? Also they would kill their rep with agents after getting Paul to agree to opt in and ship him elsewhere. Can only do this if Kyrie and Paul both ask for it so players would have to drive the transaction not owners/GMs.

[Maury2423]

If Irving wants to be "the man," why would he go to Houston and continue being a second banana?

Because nobody cares about what he wants, he'll have to go wherever he's traded to.

[Perishable517]

Call it an ego trip or whatever, but it's at least refreshing that some guys won't gargle LeBron's nutsack.

My new sig.

[Mind_Odyssey]

If I'm Cleveland, I'm only trading Kyrie to Minnesota for Wiggins and nothing less.

[TheCardinal20]

Kings would really screw this up just for Kyrie? Fox is going to be better than him 3 years down the line anyway.

Highly unlikely

[Jedi32]

Man Cavs are imploding, this is really exciting. Rose instead of Kyrie? OMG you guys are really not making the finals now.

Regarding the finals....lol okay..

Why are people excited that the Cavs are imploding? Despite this recent success, overall this franchise has been terribly unlucky, and yet people are excited that this typically unlucky franchise seems to be on the brink of disaster?

Its not all people. Its Lakers fans because they hate LeBron.

There are like 8-9 Lakers fans that specifically come in and derail every thread a Cavs player is mentioned in by just making troll comments like the one RingsDontLie above posted with no real constructive points for the sake of the conversation.

I for one am not hoping the cavs implode because I don't want Boston to have a free trip to the finals, but at the same time I am so tired of people using just laker fans as examples. There's been fans from alot of teams who have said pro/con things about this situation but that seems to go unnoticed. No one says anything when fans of other teams talk about kobe/magic or even ball. Yet if a Laker fan makes a comment oh no stop the presses. smh