Kyrie Trade Discussion Continued

[OsuCavsfan103]

Lol Knicks fans would rather have Porzingis and the awful contract of Noah instead of a 25 year old all-star finals experienced player who wants to play there and very well could re-sign long-term.

So many teams would rather hold out for hope on an unknown or potential than would take a young proven all-star franchise talent. How often does that actually pan out for the team sitting back for potential.

[Fat]

Lol Knicks fans would rather have Porzingis and the awful contract of Noah instead of a 25 year old all-star finals experienced player who wants to play there and very well could re-sign long-term.

So many teams would rather hold out for hope on an unknown or potential than would take a young proven all-star franchise talent. How often does that actually pan out for the team sitting back for potential.

we're rebuilding why do we need irving? we have no team in place for him to compete here..we should stick to moving carmelo if anything. There is zero point in trading Porzingis that would be such a knick move.

[OsuCavsfan103]

Lol Knicks fans would rather have Porzingis and the awful contract of Noah instead of a 25 year old all-star finals experienced player who wants to play there and very well could re-sign long-term.

So many teams would rather hold out for hope on an unknown or potential than would take a young proven all-star franchise talent. How often does that actually pan out for the team sitting back for potential.

were rebuilding why do we need irving? we have no team in place for him to compete here..we should stick to trying to move carmelo if anything. There is zero point in trading Porzingis that would be such a knick move.

He is 25 years old lol, you act like he is approaching 30. Kyrie has yet to peak either. For all you know Porzingis may never reach much higher than he has so far. He only has 3 years on his contract either, he could easily decide to leave if NYK still stink in a few years... which so far the way things are going for NY seems fairly possible.

[Wolfgang630]

Lol Knicks fans would rather have Porzingis and the awful contract of Noah instead of a 25 year old all-star finals experienced player who wants to play there and very well could re-sign long-term.

So many teams would rather hold out for hope on an unknown or potential than would take a young proven all-star franchise talent. How often does that actually pan out for the team sitting back for potential.

Kyrie isn't a first option player. He's an ISO shooting pg who doesn't play defense. I'll pass.

[Sark]

Lol Knicks fans would rather have Porzingis and the awful contract of Noah instead of a 25 year old all-star finals experienced player who wants to play there and very well could re-sign long-term.

So many teams would rather hold out for hope on an unknown or potential than would take a young proven all-star franchise talent. How often does that actually pan out for the team sitting back for potential.

Hold onto Kyrie then if you think he's so good.

[Da ThRONe]

Lol Knicks fans would rather have Porzingis and the awful contract of Noah instead of a 25 year old all-star finals experienced player who wants to play there and very well could re-sign long-term.

So many teams would rather hold out for hope on an unknown or potential than would take a young proven all-star franchise talent. How often does that actually pan out for the team sitting back for potential.

were rebuilding why do we need irving? we have no team in place for him to compete here..we should stick to trying to move carmelo if anything. There is zero point in trading Porzingis that would be such a knick move.

He is 25 years old lol, you act like he is approaching 30. Kyrie has yet to peak either. For all you know Porzingis may never reach much higher than he has so far. He only has 3 years on his contract either, he could easily decide to leave if NYK still stink in a few years... which so far the way things are going for NY seems fairly possible.

Trading for Irving is a win now move. The Knicks aren't close to winning in the playoffs even if Carmelo decides to stay. Porzingis is on a rookie contract and the Knicks controls his future and have two more cost effective years. Kyrie is a ufa in two years and could just as easily leave and go play for another team better setup to win.

[OsuCavsfan103]

Lol Knicks fans would rather have Porzingis and the awful contract of Noah instead of a 25 year old all-star finals experienced player who wants to play there and very well could re-sign long-term.

So many teams would rather hold out for hope on an unknown or potential than would take a young proven all-star franchise talent. How often does that actually pan out for the team sitting back for potential.

Hold onto Kyrie then if you think he's so good.

Would have loved to before, but he isn't happy here somehow..... I would never have traded Kyrie for Porzingis straight up before this past summer's events.

[OsuCavsfan103]

were rebuilding why do we need irving? we have no team in place for him to compete here..we should stick to trying to move carmelo if anything. There is zero point in trading Porzingis that would be such a knick move.

He is 25 years old lol, you act like he is approaching 30. Kyrie has yet to peak either. For all you know Porzingis may never reach much higher than he has so far. He only has 3 years on his contract either, he could easily decide to leave if NYK still stink in a few years... which so far the way things are going for NY seems fairly possible.

Trading for Irving is a win now move. The Knicks aren't close to winning in the playoffs even if Carmelo decides to stay. Porzingis is on a rookie contract and the Knicks controls his future and have two more cost effective years. Kyrie is a ufa in two years and could just as easily leave and go play for another team better setup to win.

How? Kyrie is 25, he hasn't even hit his prime yet. Porzingis is on a rookie deal yes, but he has about the same exact amount of time left on his deal as Kyrie. He could just as easily bolt after it if NYK aren't good. There is no more reason to think Kyrie would leave than Porzingis really... the guy who skipped his exit meeting even.

Plus this is all predicated on Cavs taking on Noah's contract, which would be a super huge boost for NYK to add another FA next year.

[Sark]

Lol Knicks fans would rather have Porzingis and the awful contract of Noah instead of a 25 year old all-star finals experienced player who wants to play there and very well could re-sign long-term.

So many teams would rather hold out for hope on an unknown or potential than would take a young proven all-star franchise talent. How often does that actually pan out for the team sitting back for potential.

Hold onto Kyrie then if you think he's so good.

Would have loved to before, but he isn't happy here somehow..... I would never have traded Kyrie for Porzingis straight up before this past summer's events.

He's still under contract for 2 years. Once Lebron bolts, he will have a change of heart when you guys give him $40m per year super max.

[Fat]

Lol Knicks fans would rather have Porzingis and the awful contract of Noah instead of a 25 year old all-star finals experienced player who wants to play there and very well could re-sign long-term.

So many teams would rather hold out for hope on an unknown or potential than would take a young proven all-star franchise talent. How often does that actually pan out for the team sitting back for potential.

were rebuilding why do we need irving? we have no team in place for him to compete here..we should stick to trying to move carmelo if anything. There is zero point in trading Porzingis that would be such a knick move.

He is 25 years old lol, you act like he is approaching 30. Kyrie has yet to peak either. For all you know Porzingis may never reach much higher than he has so far. He only has 3 years on his contract either, he could easily decide to leave if NYK still stink in a few years... which so far the way things are going for NY seems fairly possible.

KP has shown nothing but determination to get better and his skillset for a 7'3 guy is rare its to early to judge kp he has yet to fill his frame out. i personally dont feel he is anywhere near his limit as a player and im looking forward to seeing him without the triangle madness

irving is one of the best guards in the game but the knicks just need to destroy and rebuild. get rid of carmelo, hang on to kp, develop ntilkina and shoot for another top lottery pick. Knicks always like going for these big star players yet never put them in any real position to actually win or they are injury prone. Now we have a player we can make our franchise player in kp and we should trade him? im not with it keep the unicorn, develop your young players, and keep your picks try something new for once knicks.

[Da ThRONe]

He is 25 years old lol, you act like he is approaching 30. Kyrie has yet to peak either. For all you know Porzingis may never reach much higher than he has so far. He only has 3 years on his contract either, he could easily decide to leave if NYK still stink in a few years... which so far the way things are going for NY seems fairly possible.

Trading for Irving is a win now move. The Knicks aren't close to winning in the playoffs even if Carmelo decides to stay. Porzingis is on a rookie contract and the Knicks controls his future and have two more cost effective years. Kyrie is a ufa in two years and could just as easily leave and go play for another team better setup to win.

How? Kyrie is 25, he hasn't even hit his prime yet. Porzingis is on a rookie deal yes, but he has about the same exact amount of time left on his deal as Kyrie. He could just as easily bolt after it if NYK aren't good. There is no more reason to think Kyrie would leave than Porzingis really... the guy who skipped his exit meeting even.

Plus this is all predicated on Cavs taking on Noah's contract, which would be a super huge boost for NYK to add another FA next year.

Porzingis is a rfa meaning he would have to go into his the last year of his rookie deal totally unprotected to become a ufa. Almost no player accept the QO to become completely free when starring at a 9 figure extension. Irving on the other hand has two years and then is free to go where ever he likes. Losing Noah contract is a big plus, but again it's not like the Knicks are going to be 10-15 games better dumping his contract and replacing Kristap with Kyrie. They just aren't there yet and I doubt they'll be there the following season when Irving can opt out a go wherever he chooses.

[Sark]

What about Kyrie for Andre Drummond and Stanley Johnson. Gives the Cavs a young player and a win now player as well. Don't know if Detroit says yes though.

[mademan]

What about Kyrie for Andre Drummond and Stanley Johnson. Gives the Cavs a young player and a win now player as well. Don't know if Detroit says yes though.

Detroit doesnt say yes fast enough. Drummond is not a good player

[Sark]

What about Kyrie for Andre Drummond and Stanley Johnson. Gives the Cavs a young player and a win now player as well. Don't know if Detroit says yes though.

Detroit doesnt say yes fast enough. Drummond is not a good player

Wasn't Stanley Johnson a Summer League super hero? Those guys have good value.

[Stillwater]

What about Kyrie for Andre Drummond and Stanley Johnson. Gives the Cavs a young player and a win now player as well. Don't know if Detroit says yes though.

Detroit doesnt say yes fast enough. Drummond is not a good player

Yeah Det is a longshot without another team involved and they would have to give up Bradley.
I also don't see stanley J as someone the Cavs would consider that valuable.
They wouldn't want Ndre without having a trade sending out Thompson either in most cases.

[XPeak]

How about the Spurs?

LMA
Parker
Green

For Kyrie + ?

[immortalone23]

I don't think the Cavs will win again until LeBron plays the 4 full time.

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[Stillwater]

How about the Spurs?

LMA
Parker
Green

For Kyrie + ?

There are not any blue chip young players there, and Parker can't help us until maybe Feb or March.
LMA redundant with KLove.
get a 3rd team with a bluechip player that wants LMA and you might have a shot, but it's a long shot.
You would also have to fork over Dejounte in any trade along with Green

[mademan]

What about Kyrie for Andre Drummond and Stanley Johnson. Gives the Cavs a young player and a win now player as well. Don't know if Detroit says yes though.

Detroit doesnt say yes fast enough. Drummond is not a good player

Wasn't Stanley Johnson a Summer League super hero? Those guys have good value.

Summer league?

Drummond is a guy who is neither good on offense or defense and who's entire value is derived from his rebounding. A useful asset, but not worth 17 mill/year, never mind the centrepiece of a trade for Kyrie Irving.

[Superhuman]

If the suns weren't willing to trade Bledsoe/Jackson, why on earth do the Cavs think the Knicks would be willing to trade Porzingis? He's a generational talent and a future superstar...