Stephen Curry has been totally exposed

[Pharmcat]

Just a sampling, haven't seen a lot of these guys in a while though...

He can’t lead a team on his own. Last year was his chance to show otherwise but he copped out with a injured hand that never seemed to heal. His legacy has taken a brutal hit the last year and counting. He’s more a system player than a superstar .

I've made this point multiple times, but I'll say it again. Look at any player considered a top 20 player of all time. They all have the ability to assert their will on the defender. They all have an ability to get their shot off whenever they want. Curry doesn't have that. 2015 was a fluke ring.

The main flaw with the "Curry Gravity" argument is that opponents double him not because they fear him more than anyone else, but its EASIER to take him out of the game than other stars. 6'2 Curry isn't going to the rim and muscling it through defenders, nor is he quick to blow by nor is he battling down in the post. Its RIDICULOUS.

It really doesn't matter who he is playing with. The bottom line is he isn't an elite scorer.

this. curry has never carried the franchise for long spells like a reggie miller, mitch richmond or even ray allen. these guys could shoot and carried their teams to many playoff births. curry is just a product of big 3/4 type of team. he has never been the man

Curry Giannis and Westbrook are probably 3 of the most overrated MVP’s in NBA history.

36 points on 44% FG and 33% from 3, get used to these kinds of stat lines. This was against a horrible defensive team. Efficiency is hard when you don't have a crazy stacked team taking pressure off you

From goat to tank commander.That's massive.

Curry is, in terms of fighting, the little guy that comes in at the end and kicks the guy down after his Big friends have already beaten the guy up. But by himself, Curry is the guy that gets beaten up, gives up, and cries for help.

I thought he alone changed basketball? Lol

Great takes guys!

Too much high bball IQ. You know all these guys are coming in here regularly, not posting but feeling incredibly stupid over the things they said.

Im still here though

[SenZu]

you're not providing the contexts behind your facts. everyone on that all nba team had an injured team. injured+dysfunctional in the case of the rockets. Conley missed one game but had a fractured orbital. look at how bad his stats were when he came back from that injury.

and sure other players have had better 2nd and 3rd stars but fit is just as important. klay and draymond compliment curry so well that it made up for the talent. it's not just that though. go through any teams seeded 3-7 in the west and cut their best players salary by 20 mil and that team will become a contender with the extra salary cap. that warrior team was deep.

Yeah, ok. You’re not providing context either. That’s the point. You’re cherry picking “facts” to further your narrative. Compare their run— with their total talent, and considering their opposition, healthy or not— to every Finals team since the ‘80’s. Do you have any idea how bad the WC was in the ‘80’s? The EC the past 20 years, more or less?

Just stop, man.

I'm providing you with the context to your facts and I should also provide context to the facts that you claim I'm cherry picking with? this isn't worth discussing. just continue to watch curry struggle to make it past the 1st round for the rest of his career and you can revisit this topic when he retires.

Do yourself a favour and just stop posting, you sound dumber every post.

[whatle02]

Steph Curry is great. The main thing im taking away from what he's doing is that he can do it for 5-6 more years at a high level. Which is scary as hell. I more or less thought his time was over or they hype had died down.

If Klay can get back to 23ppg? Wiseman develops? Get rid of Oubre and Wiggins and get some other guys on the wing? Easily a 3-4 seed next year.

Heck,
Khawi may go there if George flames out. LOL

[Ice Man]

The best thread in General Board history.

[Impuniti]

Just a sampling, haven't seen a lot of these guys in a while though...












Great takes guys!

Too much high bball IQ. You know all these guys are coming in here regularly, not posting but feeling incredibly stupid over the things they said.

Im still here though

You take it like a champ though, I wasn't talking about you.

[WarriorGM]

Well he lost that year injuries aside it came out to be even stevens in the end 15-16 split. Longevity is justified for Curry. Also he’s played with the most talented team in modern times in 17 through until 19.
010-20 I Have Durant as the better individual player outside of Lebron. I mean all of the top 20 all time players have very sound resumes.

Bird by game playoff logs doesn’t look as undeniable as it once was (things sometimes go beyond just raw numbers). but no can deny his peak was good as any (84-87) to have played in NBA history.

He’s the greatest shooter ever no denying that,
besides his career isn’t over yet.

Are the 2017 Warriors really the most talented team of modern times? Probably but I'd contend it's because Curry was on it. Take him off and the roster doesn't look like a shoo-in for that distinction. If Klay and Draymond were to end their careers today, I don't think they're locks for the Hall of Fame. Other teams minus their best player that have an argument with the Warriors minus Steph would include the 1983 76ers, the Showtime Lakers, the Shaq-Kobe Lakers, the Heatles, the Beautiful Game Spurs, the 2016 Thunder, the 2018 Rockets, the current Lakers and the current Nets. But if you add back the best players of these teams and Steph? I'll take the Warriors.

[bovice]

Yeah, ok. You’re not providing context either. That’s the point. You’re cherry picking “facts” to further your narrative. Compare their run— with their total talent, and considering their opposition, healthy or not— to every Finals team since the ‘80’s. Do you have any idea how bad the WC was in the ‘80’s? The EC the past 20 years, more or less?

Just stop, man.

I'm providing you with the context to your facts and I should also provide context to the facts that you claim I'm cherry picking with? this isn't worth discussing. just continue to watch curry struggle to make it past the 1st round for the rest of his career and you can revisit this topic when he retires.

Do yourself a favour and just stop posting, you sound dumber every post.

history will prove I'm right. you're blind and resorting to personal attacks prove that lol. this is just a message board, it's not that srs. step away from the computer if this discussion is making you that upset

[bovice]

you know how good portland would be if dame made 15 mil instead of 35 mil? or what about if kawhi took a 20 mil paycut. context matters to these championships. you can scream 3 rings all you want, but it doesn't mean what you think it means.

Kawhi titles teams had supporting casts that win 55-60 games without him. Nearly every champion had elite supporting casts.

yes all championships have elite suppprting casts, I'm not saying they don't. that's not the point I'm making here

[NbaAllDay]

Well he lost that year injuries aside it came out to be even stevens in the end 15-16 split. Longevity is justified for Curry. Also he’s played with the most talented team in modern times in 17 through until 19.
010-20 I Have Durant as the better individual player outside of Lebron. I mean all of the top 20 all time players have very sound resumes.

Bird by game playoff logs doesn’t look as undeniable as it once was (things sometimes go beyond just raw numbers). but no can deny his peak was good as any (84-87) to have played in NBA history.

He’s the greatest shooter ever no denying that,
besides his career isn’t over yet.

Are the 2017 Warriors really the most talented team of modern times? Probably but I'd contend it's because Curry was on it. Take him off and the roster doesn't look like a shoo-in for that distinction. If Klay and Draymond were to end their careers today, I don't think they're locks for the Hall of Fame. Other teams minus their best player that have an argument with the Warriors minus Steph would include the 1983 76ers, the Showtime Lakers, the Shaq-Kobe Lakers, the Heatles, the Beautiful Game Spurs, the 2016 Thunder, the 2018 Rockets, the current Lakers and the current Nets. But if you add back the best players of these teams and Steph? I'll take the Warriors.

This is a weird way of saying that you think steph is better, or 'better for his team' that any other player on this list.

None of those other teams are close to a shoe-in without their best player. The current Lakers without lebron compare to a stephless 2017 Warriors? That so disingenuous, and it's not even the worst comparison.

2017 Warriors without Steph are at the very worst, the 4th best team in the league but are likely evenings with the Cavs and Rockets. None of those other teams compete for top spot without their best player, let alone top 3.

[clyde21]

I'm providing you with the context to your facts and I should also provide context to the facts that you claim I'm cherry picking with? this isn't worth discussing. just continue to watch curry struggle to make it past the 1st round for the rest of his career and you can revisit this topic when he retires.

Do yourself a favour and just stop posting, you sound dumber every post.

history will prove I'm right. you're blind and resorting to personal attacks prove that lol. this is just a message board, it's not that srs. step away from the computer if this discussion is making you that upset

history has already proven you comically wrong. this is flat earther level denial at this point.

[WarriorGM]

Well he lost that year injuries aside it came out to be even stevens in the end 15-16 split. Longevity is justified for Curry. Also he’s played with the most talented team in modern times in 17 through until 19.
010-20 I Have Durant as the better individual player outside of Lebron. I mean all of the top 20 all time players have very sound resumes.

Bird by game playoff logs doesn’t look as undeniable as it once was (things sometimes go beyond just raw numbers). but no can deny his peak was good as any (84-87) to have played in NBA history.

He’s the greatest shooter ever no denying that,
besides his career isn’t over yet.

Are the 2017 Warriors really the most talented team of modern times? Probably but I'd contend it's because Curry was on it. Take him off and the roster doesn't look like a shoo-in for that distinction. If Klay and Draymond were to end their careers today, I don't think they're locks for the Hall of Fame. Other teams minus their best player that have an argument with the Warriors minus Steph would include the 1983 76ers, the Showtime Lakers, the Shaq-Kobe Lakers, the Heatles, the Beautiful Game Spurs, the 2016 Thunder, the 2018 Rockets, the current Lakers and the current Nets. But if you add back the best players of these teams and Steph? I'll take the Warriors.

This is a weird way of saying that you think steph is better, or 'better for his team' that any other player on this list.

None of those other teams are close to a shoe-in without their best player. The current Lakers without lebron compare to a stephless 2017 Warriors? That so disingenuous, and it's not even the worst comparison.

2017 Warriors without Steph are at the very worst, the 4th best team in the league but are likely evenings with the Cavs and Rockets. None of those other teams compete for top spot without their best player, let alone top 3.

Are you even remotely familiar with some of those team? The Sixers were in the finals led by Dr. J the previous year and then they added MVP Moses Malone. The Showtime Lakers in their first year clinched the title in the final game with Kareem out due to injury and then towards the end of their run after Kareem retired made it to the finals. I'm sure there was a version of them somewhere between that could compete under the given conditions. The current Nets are stacked with all-stars.

[dynamic duo]

playoffs is a different animal, steph has only won with historically superstacked teams and with injuries to other teams and has yet to win one finals mvp in 5 tries, great shooter though who is currently 9th in the west without having the help he is accustomed to.

[dhsilv2]

Well he lost that year injuries aside it came out to be even stevens in the end 15-16 split. Longevity is justified for Curry. Also he’s played with the most talented team in modern times in 17 through until 19.
010-20 I Have Durant as the better individual player outside of Lebron. I mean all of the top 20 all time players have very sound resumes.

Bird by game playoff logs doesn’t look as undeniable as it once was (things sometimes go beyond just raw numbers). but no can deny his peak was good as any (84-87) to have played in NBA history.

He’s the greatest shooter ever no denying that,
besides his career isn’t over yet.

Are the 2017 Warriors really the most talented team of modern times? Probably but I'd contend it's because Curry was on it. Take him off and the roster doesn't look like a shoo-in for that distinction. If Klay and Draymond were to end their careers today, I don't think they're locks for the Hall of Fame. Other teams minus their best player that have an argument with the Warriors minus Steph would include the 1983 76ers, the Showtime Lakers, the Shaq-Kobe Lakers, the Heatles, the Beautiful Game Spurs, the 2016 Thunder, the 2018 Rockets, the current Lakers and the current Nets. But if you add back the best players of these teams and Steph? I'll take the Warriors.

This is a weird way of saying that you think steph is better, or 'better for his team' that any other player on this list.

None of those other teams are close to a shoe-in without their best player. The current Lakers without lebron compare to a stephless 2017 Warriors? That so disingenuous, and it's not even the worst comparison.

2017 Warriors without Steph are at the very worst, the 4th best team in the league but are likely evenings with the Cavs and Rockets. None of those other teams compete for top spot without their best player, let alone top 3.

The 2017 warriors were -0.1 points per 100 when Curry was off the floor in 2017. That would have them roughly as a .500 team. I somewhat doubt they'd have been 500 without him but none the less the argument for a top 4 team in the league is pretty out there. Maybe top 4 in the west? Maybe? But that's still a bit questionable. The 2018 team was +1.0 with curry off the floor and here we do have a sample size of him missing games. They went 17-14 that year without Curry which puts us in that ~45 win range which would have actually missed the playoffs in 2018 in the west.

[WarriorGM]

playoffs is a different animal, steph has only won with historically superstacked teams and with injuries to other teams and has yet to win one finals mvp in 5 tries, great shooter though who is currently 9th in the west without having the help he is accustomed to.

Like you the FMVP voters are either ignorant and cannot recognize the value he brings or have an agenda. Clearly there are many such people as the existence of this silly thread attests. Leading his team to 5 finals appearances and winning three coming out of the Western Conference of this era says far more than any FMVP trinket possibly could.Too bad there are so many who don't have a clue of what's valuable and what isn't.

[whatisacenter]

it must suck to not be able to enjoy and acknowledge a generational talent.

[MindState]

playoffs is a different animal, steph has only won with historically superstacked teams and with injuries to other teams and has yet to win one finals mvp in 5 tries, great shooter though who is currently 9th in the west without having the help he is accustomed to.

Troll. Havent you learned from this thread? Dont make yourself more of a laughing stock then you already are.

[Raps in 4]

You should feel sorry for me. I’m a huge Cavs fan and if it weren’t for him beating my team 3 years I’d enjoy him a hell of a lot more cause he’s one of the best players I’ve ever seen and probably the most impactful player outside LeBron I’ve seen

He's easily more impactful than Bron at this point.

Listen the only time in the last 12ish years I thought LeBron wasn't the best player was 2016 when Steph was doing his thing. But year after year LeBron is the best overall playoff performer.

In 2011 Dirk was the best. In 2012-2018 LeBron was the best. In 2019 it was Kawhi. And in 2020 again it was LeBron.

To me I just can't go into the playoffs expecting anyone to perform better than LeBron when the only times its happened was when he choked in 2011 and when he missed the playoffs altogether.

I don't think there is any debate that Lebron was the best player this past decade. But Curry was comfortably #2.

[Goose egg]

Currys a great player, no doubt first ballot hall of famer but I’ve seen harden do this in the regular season for long stretches throughout his career. I don’t care about people living in the moment right now, he is not the “2nd greatest player of the decade”. Durant Lebron Harden Kawhi all better, don’t want to hear otherwise. There’s context to everything. Those warriors teams pre KD had one of the GOAT benches with Livingston and Iggy. Post KD they had the greatest 4 man group of starters ever. There is no doubt in my mind Lebron Harden Clone Durant and Kawhi all in those circumstances win the same amount of titles at minimum and probably more.

Call me a hater but my eyes tell me Curry is a level below those four guys. There’s a reason Harden always wins the Players MVP award and gets talked about as the greatest offensive player since Jordan. True most underrated superstar of my life.

[Raps in 4]

playoffs is a different animal, steph has only won with historically superstacked teams and with injuries to other teams and has yet to win one finals mvp in 5 tries, great shooter though who is currently 9th in the west without having the help he is accustomed to.

lol

[Raps in 4]

Currys a great player, no doubt first ballot hall of famer but I’ve seen harden do this in the regular season for long stretches throughout his career.

You definitely haven't.