NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21)

Perseus1966 · Post #1981 » by **Perseus1966** » Fri May 21, 2021 6:43 am

No giannis in finalists? Funny

WarriorGM · Post #1982 » by **WarriorGM** » Fri May 21, 2021 3:59 pm

Inspektor1312 wrote:
maxwellcu wrote:
eathb_au wrote:I mean even if we completely ignore team record, Jokic's regular season numbers are still better than Steph's

Yep, that's what these insane curry stans conveniently forget. Who cares that jokic played more games or that his team was better? He was better in the games he played than curry. The season is longer than an 8 game hot streak. And jokic was better on a per game basis than curry, by a pretty comfortable margin.

These warriors trolls are completely off the rails mentally ill so they'll argue about it flamboyantly, but jokic has been considerably better (individually) on a PER GAME basis than curry. there isn't an argument to the contrary.

They're just scared that Curry will lose the "only unanimous MVP in history" title. What they don't understand is that basically nobody cares about that except them.

Does that mean eathb_au, maxwellcu and yourself are Warriors trolls? You guys are bringing it up and talking about it as much as anyone.

Kurtz wrote:Well, if 2 guys vote one way and 98 vote the other way, it's a damn near certainty that the 2 got it wrong.

Does anyone the concept behind these votes? There is no right or wrong. These are their opinions. So many people here ripe for joining the Gestapo.

whatisacenter · Post #1983 » by **whatisacenter** » Fri May 21, 2021 4:12 pm

It's the Jokers year, he has earned it.

Kurtz · Post #1984 » by **Kurtz** » Fri May 21, 2021 4:30 pm

WarriorGM wrote:
Inspektor1312 wrote:
maxwellcu wrote:
Yep, that's what these insane curry stans conveniently forget. Who cares that jokic played more games or that his team was better? He was better in the games he played than curry. The season is longer than an 8 game hot streak. And jokic was better on a per game basis than curry, by a pretty comfortable margin.

These warriors trolls are completely off the rails mentally ill so they'll argue about it flamboyantly, but jokic has been considerably better (individually) on a PER GAME basis than curry. there isn't an argument to the contrary.

They're just scared that Curry will lose the "only unanimous MVP in history" title. What they don't understand is that basically nobody cares about that except them.

Does that mean eathb_au, maxwellcu and yourself are Warriors trolls? You guys are bringing it up and talking about it as much as anyone.

Kurtz wrote:Well, if 2 guys vote one way and 98 vote the other way, it's a damn near certainty that the 2 got it wrong.

Does anyone the concept behind these votes? There is no right or wrong. These are their opinions. So many people here ripe for joining the Gestapo.

Are you arguing that there are no wrong opinions? Btw, Gestapo also had opinions, which I will proclaim to have been wrong.

WarriorGM · Post #1985 » by **WarriorGM** » Fri May 21, 2021 4:47 pm

Kurtz wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:
Inspektor1312 wrote:
They're just scared that Curry will lose the "only unanimous MVP in history" title. What they don't understand is that basically nobody cares about that except them.

Does that mean eathb_au, maxwellcu and yourself are Warriors trolls? You guys are bringing it up and talking about it as much as anyone.

Kurtz wrote:Well, if 2 guys vote one way and 98 vote the other way, it's a damn near certainty that the 2 got it wrong.

Does anyone the concept behind these votes? There is no right or wrong. These are their opinions. So many people here ripe for joining the Gestapo.

Are you arguing that there are no wrong opinions? Btw, Gestapo also had opinions, which I will proclaim to have been wrong.

Most countries have a secret service so there is probably some right to it. What differentiates the Gestapo in the common imagination is the extremes they went to to enforce compliance. Jokic is going to win the MVP handily. Criticizing anyone who voted for someone else reeks of zealous extremist BS given the circumstances.

Kurtz · Post #1986 » by **Kurtz** » Fri May 21, 2021 4:56 pm

WarriorGM wrote:
Kurtz wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:
Does that mean eathb_au, maxwellcu and yourself are Warriors trolls? You guys are bringing it up and talking about it as much as anyone.

Does anyone the concept behind these votes? There is no right or wrong. These are their opinions. So many people here ripe for joining the Gestapo.

Are you arguing that there are no wrong opinions? Btw, Gestapo also had opinions, which I will proclaim to have been wrong.

Most countries have a secret service so there is probably some right to it. What differentiates the Gestapo in the common imagination is the extremes they went to to enforce compliance. Jokic is going to win the MVP handily. Criticizing anyone who voted for someone else reeks of zealous extremist BS given the circumstances.

Are you introducing this as a universal code, or is it only applicable to the Jokic vote? In other words, are you forbidding people from criticizing any mvp vote made in the past, present and future on the grounds that to do so would be zealous extremism?

WarriorGM · Post #1987 » by **WarriorGM** » Fri May 21, 2021 4:59 pm

Kurtz wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:
Kurtz wrote:
Are you arguing that there are no wrong opinions? Btw, Gestapo also had opinions, which I will proclaim to have been wrong.

Most countries have a secret service so there is probably some right to it. What differentiates the Gestapo in the common imagination is the extremes they went to to enforce compliance. Jokic is going to win the MVP handily. Criticizing anyone who voted for someone else reeks of zealous extremist BS given the circumstances.

Are you introducing this as a universal code, or is it only applicable to the Jokic vote? In other words, are you forbidding people from criticizing any mvp vote made in the past, present and future on the grounds that to do so would be zealous extremism?

If it is difficult to understand then I'll narrow it down to this: your comments were BS and if anyone wanted to vote for someone else they probably wouldn't be wrong. Clear enough?

Kurtz · Post #1988 » by **Kurtz** » Fri May 21, 2021 5:08 pm

WarriorGM wrote:
Kurtz wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:
Most countries have a secret service so there is probably some right to it. What differentiates the Gestapo in the common imagination is the extremes they went to to enforce compliance. Jokic is going to win the MVP handily. Criticizing anyone who voted for someone else reeks of zealous extremist BS given the circumstances.

Are you introducing this as a universal code, or is it only applicable to the Jokic vote? In other words, are you forbidding people from criticizing any mvp vote made in the past, present and future on the grounds that to do so would be zealous extremism?

If it is difficult to understand then I'll narrow it down to this: your comments were BS and if anyone wanted to vote for someone else they probably wouldn't be wrong. Clear enough?

It's not difficult to understand your position, I'm just amused at you invoking terms like the Gestapo, zealotry, etc - the typical signs of feeble logic grasping at straws. Note how easily you've become frustrated in the face of me merely pointing out the silly nature of your argument.

The fact is, sometimes voters get it wrong. A prime example would be the 2013 vote, where Lebron was one vote shy of unanimous mvp when someone decided to cast a vote for Melo - a clearly bad call. Your position appears to be that we must not critique that voter, or any voter for making a bad call. That seems to be a terribly weak position to take - especially in a medium designed for debate.

WarriorGM · Post #1989 » by **WarriorGM** » Fri May 21, 2021 5:16 pm

Kurtz wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:
Kurtz wrote:
Are you introducing this as a universal code, or is it only applicable to the Jokic vote? In other words, are you forbidding people from criticizing any mvp vote made in the past, present and future on the grounds that to do so would be zealous extremism?

If it is difficult to understand then I'll narrow it down to this: your comments were BS and if anyone wanted to vote for someone else they probably wouldn't be wrong. Clear enough?

It's not difficult to understand your position, I'm just amused at you invoking terms like the Gestapo, zealotry, etc - the typical signs of feeble logic grasping at straws. Note how easily you've become frustrated in the face of me merely pointing out the silly nature of your argument.

The fact is, sometimes voters get it wrong. A prime example would be the 2013 vote, where Lebron was one vote shy of unanimous mvp when someone decided to cast a vote for Melo - a clearly bad call. Your position appears to be that we must not critique that voter, or any voter for making a bad call. That seems to be a terribly weak position to take.

You seem to be very beholden to the majority opinion. I am willing to give a hearing to an alternative viewpoint. You'd shut it down before it could be heard. That's the very antithesis of having votes. I'd much rather have a handful of votes of dissent be wrong than no dissent given when it was called for because of people such as yourself intimidating everyone into silence.

dygaction · Post #1990 » by **dygaction** » Sat May 22, 2021 4:09 am

WarriorGM wrote:
Kurtz wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:
If it is difficult to understand then I'll narrow it down to this: your comments were BS and if anyone wanted to vote for someone else they probably wouldn't be wrong. Clear enough?

It's not difficult to understand your position, I'm just amused at you invoking terms like the Gestapo, zealotry, etc - the typical signs of feeble logic grasping at straws. Note how easily you've become frustrated in the face of me merely pointing out the silly nature of your argument.

The fact is, sometimes voters get it wrong. A prime example would be the 2013 vote, where Lebron was one vote shy of unanimous mvp when someone decided to cast a vote for Melo - a clearly bad call. Your position appears to be that we must not critique that voter, or any voter for making a bad call. That seems to be a terribly weak position to take.

You seem to be very beholden to the majority opinion. I am willing to give a hearing to an alternative viewpoint. You'd shut it down before it could be heard. That's the very antithesis of having votes. I'd much rather have a handful of votes of dissent be wrong than no dissent given when it was called for because of people such as yourself intimidating everyone into silence.

Great season by Curry and he should have answered many doubters of him, but whoever voted him as #1 now has been proven wrong.

eathb_au · Post #1991 » by **eathb_au** » Sat May 22, 2021 4:15 am

Jokic would 100% make Wiggins an offensive beast like he has done with Porter Jr

Sgt Major · Post #1992 » by **Sgt Major** » Sat May 22, 2021 4:38 am

Is Ja Morant the MVP now?

dygaction · Post #1993 » by **dygaction** » Sat May 22, 2021 4:55 am

eathb_au wrote:Jokic would 100% make Wiggins an offensive beast like he has done with Porter Jr

This is an insult to Porter, his shooting is prime Durant level...

eathb_au · Post #1994 » by **eathb_au** » Sat May 22, 2021 5:04 am

dygaction wrote:
eathb_au wrote:Jokic would 100% make Wiggins an offensive beast like he has done with Porter Jr

This is an insult to Porter, his shooting is prime Durant level...

70% of Porters field goal makes are assisted...

dygaction · Post #1995 » by **dygaction** » Sat May 22, 2021 5:10 am

eathb_au wrote:
dygaction wrote:
eathb_au wrote:Jokic would 100% make Wiggins an offensive beast like he has done with Porter Jr

This is an insult to Porter, his shooting is prime Durant level...

70% of Porters field goal makes are assisted...

Yes, but it does not take away that he can pull over people off balance and make 3s at a very high percentage, career 44%... Wiggins?

antonac · Post #1996 » by **antonac** » Sat May 22, 2021 7:36 am

So last week the argument was curry's imagined hypothetical post season, now we're on to philosophical uncertainty and the unknowableness of the world.

Lakers In 5 · Post #1997 » by **Lakers In 5** » Sat May 22, 2021 8:05 am

The pattern here is that everyone who does not think Jokic should win the MVP, has jumped from ship to ship during the season. First it was Durant, then they clung to Embiid, and eventually they landed at Curry Island, with a bizarre layover at Paul and Harden. Whereas Jokic, on the other hand, has been the one constant factor the entire time. That is why he is the MVP, and has been since early January.

FinnTheHuman · Post #1998 » by **FinnTheHuman** » Sat May 22, 2021 8:13 am

antonac wrote:So last week the argument was curry's imagined hypothetical post season, now we're on to philosophical uncertainty and the unknowableness of the world.

‘The only thing that I know is that I know nothing, so how could I ever claim that Jokic is the MVP?’ -Plato, Athens, circa 390 BC, Warriors fan

SamSepiol · Post #1999 » by **SamSepiol** » Sat May 22, 2021 12:51 pm

Jokic for the Nike mvp

BoatsNZones · Post #2000 » by **BoatsNZones** » Sat May 22, 2021 2:21 pm

dygaction wrote:
eathb_au wrote:Jokic would 100% make Wiggins an offensive beast like he has done with Porter Jr

This is an insult to Porter, his shooting is prime Durant level...

It’s far better to be honest. KD has never sniffed a 65% eFG. Things change when you become a #1, but he’s going to go down as one of the most potent shot makers in history if he stays healthy. People are sleeping on his dominance. The 2nd half of the season he averaged 23 on 58% from the field and 48% from 3 (high volume), and that ramped up with Murray out. He’s going to blow up in recognition to casuals during this Portland series.

Who be's the MVPs?