Are the Orlando Magic a better team with the moves made?

Victorious · Post #21 » by **Victorious** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:32 pm

If you don't think Arenas/Richardson/Turkoglu is an upgrade over Lewis/Carter/Gortat then you have not seen a single Magic game.

PS the Lewis - Arenas deal was an absolute steal for Orlando.

Point-God · Post #22 » by **Point-God** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:33 pm

jeff1624 wrote:
Hedo is done, he's been playing like crap ever since he left Orlando. What makes you think he'll automatically revert to the way he was before?

Hedo hasn't been a point forward since he left Orlando. Without him running the pick and roll with the ball in his hands he is just another NBA player. Without a doubt Orlando plans to put the ball back in his hands to run the show.

Blazing_royale · Post #23 » by **Blazing_royale** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:34 pm

Victorious wrote:If you don't think Arenas/Richardson/Turkoglu is an upgrade over Lewis/Carter/Gortat then you have not seen a single Magic game.

PS the Lewis - Arenas deal was an absolute steal for Orlando.

why do i keep seeing ppl saying its a steal. both r overpayed bums.

ComeAtMeBro · Post #24 » by **ComeAtMeBro** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:34 pm

Who does Orlando reach out to for a backup C?

Pryz in Portland? Perhaps go back after Tony Battie? I'm sure there are options.

Blazing_royale · Post #25 » by **Blazing_royale** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:34 pm

Point-God wrote:
jeff1624 wrote:
Hedo is done, he's been playing like crap ever since he left Orlando. What makes you think he'll automatically revert to the way he was before?

Hedo hasn't been a point forward since he left Orlando. Without him running the pick and roll with the ball in his hands he is just another NBA player. Without a doubt Orlando plans to put the ball back in his hands to run the show.

but arenas needs the ball to be effective.

That Nicka · Post #26 » by **That Nicka** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:35 pm

I dont like for Orlando. But it depends on what they do with Jameer Nelson. They need to trade him now imo, for a legit starting PF along with a backup C (or a legit PF that can also play C).

I also think they should have kept Pietrus and got rid of QRich instead, but thats minor

kombayn · Post #27 » by **kombayn** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:36 pm

I don't see how this makes the Magic a better team. Especially 3 years from now, this is going to be something that Otis Smith regrets and will probably cost him his job and Stan's in 3 years or less. The Magic will not be making the Finals again anytime soon.

High0ctane21 · Post #28 » by **High0ctane21** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:36 pm

I'm almost positive that Nelson will continue to start, and they'll bring Arenas off the bench. I kind of like this trade for him, but it leaves them extremely thin in the front court. That's where the Lakers/Celtics will kill them.

GaNGsTaRr93 · Post #29 » by **GaNGsTaRr93** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:37 pm

We need to sign or trade for a backup to Dwight.

SacKingZZZ · Post #30 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:38 pm

Risky, risky moves for Orlando. They'll either be a bit better or a LOT worse.

Lord Hades · Post #31 » by **Lord Hades** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:38 pm

They're certainly more dynamic on the perimeter with a couple of guys who can attack the rim (at least better than the outgoing pieces). I think their defense suffers in the exchange though... a lot. They're also thin up front (Yes, I realize the irony in that coming from a Heat fan).

Arenas is a huge wildcard. I though he was done after the injuries in '07, but he somehow can recapture what he was previously, it's a boost for them. I'm interested to see how all these guys get placated on offense and how the system is going to look. Arenas is taking 16 shots to get 17 points on 39% FG. Richardson and Hedo aren't shy about putting 'em up and Nelson likes his shots too (and he's running point). There's something to be said for cooperative play possibly increasing their efficiency, but Hedo strikes me as the closest thing to a bona fide playmaker there and he's had a huge question mark over him for the past season and change. There's a lot going on.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained I suppose, but I don't think this beats Miami or Boston in the playoffs.

El Alonzo scowl · Post #32 » by **El Alonzo scowl** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:38 pm

Total panic moves by bottom 5 GM Otis Smith.

umopapisdn · Post #33 » by **umopapisdn** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:39 pm

They might be a little better, they might be a little worse, but none of those guys is going to push them over the top. This reminds me a lot of some of the moves the Cavs made with lebron; sacrificing most of their long term flexibility in the pursuit of big name guys who in many cases are not very good any more.

ikidunot · Post #34 » by **ikidunot** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:39 pm

I think this trade will make them better. They were on a losing streak so it wasn't like a backup center and a average 3 point shooter was going to help them.

Blazing_royale · Post #35 » by **Blazing_royale** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:40 pm

Dwights gonna complain not getting enough touches even more now with his improved offensive reprotire. too many trigger happy chuckers.

J-Ville Smoke · Post #36 » by **J-Ville Smoke** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:40 pm

We're going to suck. Plain and simple.

Howard went all public with his issues in an immature way, forced our GM to do something. What's Dwight going to do now? Probably pout some more, get some more techs, and complain the whole time we try to integrate these new players because we'll lose some games in the process.

Post #37 » by **Heat11114** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:43 pm

Was SVG even talked to about these moves? Wasn't he just complaining about a complete lack of effort and focus on the defensive side of the court? I don't think Arenas and Turk or gonna be energizing the Magic D anytime soon.

droponov · Post #38 » by **droponov** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:44 pm

Orlando didn't have enough shot-creation in the perimeter to win a title.

I don't know if they're better - I think they get worse because Howard+Bass+Anderson is too thin - but they weren't good enough to begin with, so why not take a chance?

Point-God · Post #39 » by **Point-God** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:47 pm

Blazing_royale wrote:
Point-God wrote:
jeff1624 wrote:
Hedo is done, he's been playing like crap ever since he left Orlando. What makes you think he'll automatically revert to the way he was before?

Hedo hasn't been a point forward since he left Orlando. Without him running the pick and roll with the ball in his hands he is just another NBA player. Without a doubt Orlando plans to put the ball back in his hands to run the show.

but arenas needs the ball to be effective.

Arenas can catch and shoot. Hedo didn't exactly have to dominate the ball to do well in Orlando the first time, it's just that Toronto and Phoenix basically didn't give Hedo a shot at all as a point forward. When Hedo gets his pick and roll game going then somehow everything else in his game picks up. Hedo is a little more of a rhythm player than Toronto and Phoenix thought. Sacramento and Orlando knew how to use him. Let him handle the ball a little here and there and everything clicks.

J-Ville Smoke · Post #40 » by **J-Ville Smoke** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:47 pm

Heat11114 wrote:Was SVG even talked to about these moves? Wasn't he just complaining about a complete lack of effort and focus on the defensive side of the court? I don't think Arenas and Turk or gonna be energizing the Magic D anytime soon.

Doubt it. HOWARD was who we talked to. Its bad enough asking players to sign off on trades, let alone players with the mental capacity of 8 year olds.

Are the Orlando Magic going to be a better team with the moves made?