Bosh shuts down Griffin (so does Ryan Anderson)

Post #21 » by **alucryts** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 7:51 pm

5 fga is not changing my opinion on chris bosh

MaxRider · Post #22 » by **MaxRider** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 7:55 pm

Storm Surge wrote:chuck hayes shut down griffin and he guarded him the entire game.

chuck didn't shut him down
chuck AOD him

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs ... _hayes.php

Tim_Hardawayy · Post #23 » by **Tim_Hardawayy** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 7:57 pm

alucryts wrote:5 fga is not changing my opinion on chris bosh

What about the fact that the Heat give up 2.1 more points per possession when he's off the floor?

http://www.82games.com/1011/10MIA11.HTM#onoff

Or that he holds opposing power forwards and centers to a PER of 13.7 and 11.2 per 48

http://www.82games.com/1011/10MIA11.HTM#bypos

Or that he has a Defensive Rating of 102

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... hch01.html

By any defensive measure he's been fantastic for the Heat this season. But yeah, he's not going to block a guy into the third row or slam anyone to the ground, I'll give you that.

I'll give you a comparison since you're a Bulls fan. You guys can agree by and large Boozer is not a very good defensive player I think. Yet I'd say we can all agree he's more physical than Bosh. The main problem with Boozer is his awareness, its terrible. He lets guys blow by him without noticing what's going on, does not play good team defense.

Bosh is the opposite, he's got amazing awareness on that end of the floor and is very much in sync with the other 4 guys.

MAQ · Post #24 » by **MAQ** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 7:57 pm

Chris Bosh is just developing a perimeter game away from challenging Duncan as the greatest PF of all time.

MaxRider · Post #25 » by **MaxRider** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 8:00 pm

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:
alucryts wrote:5 fga is not changing my opinion on chris bosh

What about the fact that the Heat give up 2.1 more points per possession when he's off the floor?

http://www.82games.com/1011/10MIA11.HTM#onoff

Or that he holds opposing power forwards and centers to a PER of 13.7 and 11.2 per 48

http://www.82games.com/1011/10MIA11.HTM#bypos

Or that he has a Defensive Rating of 102

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... hch01.html

By any defensive measure he's been fantastic for the Heat this season. But yeah, he's not going to block a guy into the third row or slam anyone to the ground, I'll give you that.

how many PF/C in the East can actually score more than 20ppg?

MLSE · Post #26 » by **MLSE** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 8:04 pm

Oh... My.... God....

-2.1 POINTS WHEN HE'S NOT ON THE COURT?

With the Heat's killer bench bigs HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?

BOSH DPOY!

da.vid · Post #27 » by **da.vid** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 8:05 pm

agentk16 wrote:
da.vid wrote:people don't give him enough credit
he's anchoring one of the leagues best defenses

i'd say he's easily the 2nd most important player on the team after LeBron (wade is still a fantastic player but he's easily replaceable)

A top 5 player in the league easily replaceable? By whom, may I ask?

any scoring guard would be able to perform just as well playing next to LeBron and Bosh. someone like jamal crawford.

MaxRider · Post #28 » by **MaxRider** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 8:06 pm

MLSE wrote:Oh... My.... God....

-2.1 POINTS WHEN HE'S NOT ON THE COURT?

With the Heat's killer bench bigs HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?

BOSH DPOY!

i know that is big difference
not to mention this is clipper without gordon too
oh wait
wade will shut down gordon
nevermind

juror1 · Post #29 » by **juror1** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 8:12 pm

da.vid wrote:people don't give him enough credit
he's anchoring one of the leagues best defenses

i'd say he's easily the 2nd most important player on the team after LeBron (wade is still a fantastic player but he's easily replaceable)

I would agree that he is the 2nd most important player on the Heat, although Wade isn't going to be an easy move in the next couple seasons. I can see a Wade trade in a season or two although with the restructuring of the salary cap I have a hard time seeing Wade moved with his current contract.

Eventually I'd like to see Wade moved for either Chris Paul or Dwight Howard in a sign and trade. LeBron will probably want him moved eventually too (I'm sure he doesn't want Wade to finish his Heat tenure with more championships than him).

Sinant · Post #30 » by **Sinant** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 8:14 pm

Just give him the DPoY right now.

GaNGsTaRr93 · Post #31 » by **GaNGsTaRr93** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 8:18 pm

Lmao Just cant wait till the Boston-Heat game..we'll see how good Bosh is

Post #32 » by **blkout** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 8:19 pm

DPOY? DPOD; defensive player of the decade. Tim_Hardawayy can present him with the award.

juror1 · Post #33 » by **juror1** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 8:19 pm

Sinant wrote:Just give him the DPoY right now.

Lol

Tim_Hardawayy · Post #34 » by **Tim_Hardawayy** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 8:22 pm

The sarcasm in this thread is hilarous guys. No seriously, just amazing.

I get that everyone thinks he's a pussy, but he's also a good defensive player. I don't think anyone is calling him DPOY or the best big in the league or anything like that, unless that was the OP's intent. But if the OP was just trying to point out Bosh isn't horrible like the perception on this board paints him to be, then I'd agree.

Edrees · Post #35 » by **Edrees** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 8:23 pm

congrats he "shut down" a rookie for 5 possessions. lets see him out rebound landry fields next time and he'll be suddenly declared a great rebounder. Chris bosh: where comparisons to rookies for 5 short posessions happens

KingKover · Post #36 » by **KingKover** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 8:23 pm

Bosh is not the defensive anchor of that team, and if he is, then they will never win a championship or do well in the playoffs. He is a mediocre defensive player at best and the Heat's defense is excellent but I doubt its because of Bosh. Now offensively, dudes a beast.

MrBigShot · Post #37 » by **MrBigShot** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 8:33 pm

He's a great player. The point differential of James + Wade is negative, but James + Bosh and Wade + Bosh or all 3 all have a positive point deferential. Huge part of the team's success.

Joseph17 · Post #38 » by **Joseph17** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 8:34 pm

agentk16 wrote:
da.vid wrote:people don't give him enough credit
he's anchoring one of the leagues best defenses

i'd say he's easily the 2nd most important player on the team after LeBron (wade is still a fantastic player but he's easily replaceable)

A top 5 player in the league easily replaceable? By whom, may I ask?

He really doesn't complement Lebron well at all. They are both great individual talents, but they are really similar. I could name a bunch of players who would complement Lebron better than Wade does.

Wizenheimer · Post #39 » by **Wizenheimer** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 8:41 pm

if Bosh was a defensive monster, he wouldn't have been torched for 31 points, 14 rebounds, and 7 assists by Lamarcus Aldridge when they were matched up against each other.

Blake Griffin is bothered a lot by defensive players with length. Bosh has length Griffin has a great motor, but those t-rex arms can put him at a disadvantage against taller players who can somewhat match him in quickness

Post #40 » by **darth_federer** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 8:43 pm

Chris Bosh is a great defender when he doesnt have to worry about scoring. Top 5 defensively at his position IMO.