If Oklahoma City potentially landed Dwight Howard..

We da Pressed · Post #21 » by **We da Pressed** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:09 am

I see no reason why both teams wouldn't take this trade. There is absolutely nothing more Orlando could get for Dwight Howard although it would make OKC an unstoppable juggernaut for at least 6-8 years. Assuming they could land Chris Paul, you're probably looking at the greatest team in NBA history. Best PG in the NBA, Best scorer in the NBA, Best C in the NBA, the best SF shot blocker, best PF shot blocker, and best C shot blocker. It would be absurd.

Idunkonyou2 · Post #22 » by **Idunkonyou2** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:11 am

fallacy wrote:There is no way that OKC gives up Westbrook, Perkins, first round picks, AND Ibaka. Dwight Howard isn't worth that much, especially when we would have to take on atleast one god-awful contract like arenas or hedo

The Magic would want at least two young up and coming players back. Like I said, Westbrook/Harden or Westbrook/Ibaka for Howard/Hedo or Howard Arenas. I personally would want Westbrook/Ibaka/fillers/first rounders for Howard/Hedo or Arenas.

Jaykoolzboy · Post #23 » by **Jaykoolzboy** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:11 am

We da Pressed wrote:I see no reason why both teams wouldn't take this trade. There is absolutely nothing more Orlando could get for Dwight Howard although it would make OKC an unstoppable juggernaut for at least 6-8 years. Assuming they could land Chris Paul, you're probably looking at the greatest team in NBA history. Best PG in the NBA, Best scorer in the NBA, Best C in the NBA, the best SF shot blocker, best PF shot blocker, and best C shot blocker. It would be absurd.

Also best backup center in the league------ Yao Ming

fallacy · Post #24 » by **fallacy** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:11 am

We da Pressed wrote:I see no reason why both teams wouldn't take this trade. There is absolutely nothing more Orlando could get for Dwight Howard although it would make OKC an unstoppable juggernaut for at least 6-8 years. Assuming they could land Chris Paul, you're probably looking at the greatest team in NBA history.

exactly. No team would give a more valuable player than Westbrook. It would be by far the best offer the Magic could get. They could take Westbrook + Perk or let Howard walk for nothing.

If i'm the magic, the choice between those is easy.

We da Pressed · Post #25 » by **We da Pressed** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:13 am

fallacy wrote:
We da Pressed wrote:I see no reason why both teams wouldn't take this trade. There is absolutely nothing more Orlando could get for Dwight Howard although it would make OKC an unstoppable juggernaut for at least 6-8 years. Assuming they could land Chris Paul, you're probably looking at the greatest team in NBA history.

exactly. No team would give a more valuable player than Westbrook. It would be by far the best offer the Magic could get. They could take Westbrook + Perk or let Howard walk for nothing.

If i'm the magic, the choice between those is easy.

If OKC is going to trade Westbrook, they might as well dump everyone sans Ibaka & Durant so they can sign CP3 as well.

Idunkonyou2 · Post #26 » by **Idunkonyou2** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:14 am

fallacy wrote:
We da Pressed wrote:I see no reason why both teams wouldn't take this trade. There is absolutely nothing more Orlando could get for Dwight Howard although it would make OKC an unstoppable juggernaut for at least 6-8 years. Assuming they could land Chris Paul, you're probably looking at the greatest team in NBA history.

exactly. No team would give a more valuable player than Westbrook. It would be by far the best offer the Magic could get. They could take Westbrook + Perk or let Howard walk for nothing.

If i'm the magic, the choice between those is easy.

True, but I believe the Magic would want Ibaka over Perkins or they take both and just keep Arenas and Hedo. The Magic could also trade Nelson with Howard. So it would be Nelson/Howard for Ibaka, Perkins, Westbrook and first round picks.

Mateen Cleaves · Post #27 » by **Mateen Cleaves** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:15 am

NYK0605 wrote:Only way I would do that if im OKC is if CP3 would be a guarentee.

CP3/Durant/Howard would be insane.

LOL if CP3 wouldnt sign there then he deserves to lose the rest of his life because i cant imagine a better trio than that

fallacy · Post #28 » by **fallacy** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:16 am

We da Pressed wrote:
fallacy wrote:
We da Pressed wrote:I see no reason why both teams wouldn't take this trade. There is absolutely nothing more Orlando could get for Dwight Howard although it would make OKC an unstoppable juggernaut for at least 6-8 years. Assuming they could land Chris Paul, you're probably looking at the greatest team in NBA history.

exactly. No team would give a more valuable player than Westbrook. It would be by far the best offer the Magic could get. They could take Westbrook + Perk or let Howard walk for nothing.

If i'm the magic, the choice between those is easy.

If OKC is going to trade Westbrook, they might as well dump everyone sans Ibaka & Durant so they can sign CP3 as well.

They wouldn't really need someone as good as CP3 necessarily. A lineup of

Maynor/Arenas
Harden/Sefolosha
Durant/Cook
Ibaka
Howard/Nazr/Aldrich

would have plenty of ball handlers. Of course if you could get Nash or CP3 for cheap, you take him

fallacy · Post #29 » by **fallacy** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:18 am

Idunkonyou2 wrote:
fallacy wrote:
We da Pressed wrote:I see no reason why both teams wouldn't take this trade. There is absolutely nothing more Orlando could get for Dwight Howard although it would make OKC an unstoppable juggernaut for at least 6-8 years. Assuming they could land Chris Paul, you're probably looking at the greatest team in NBA history.

exactly. No team would give a more valuable player than Westbrook. It would be by far the best offer the Magic could get. They could take Westbrook + Perk or let Howard walk for nothing.

If i'm the magic, the choice between those is easy.

True, but I believe the Magic would want Ibaka over Perkins or they take both and just keep Arenas and Hedo. The Magic could also trade Nelson with Howard. So it would be Nelson/Howard for Ibaka, Perkins, Westbrook and first round picks.

OKC couldn't trade Ibaka and not Perkins. They would have 4 centers and no power forwards. If i'm OKC I wouldn't do the trade if ORL won't take Perk

Idunkonyou2 · Post #30 » by **Idunkonyou2** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:20 am

I forgot to add fillers in my trade, especially if the Thunder are trying to dump salary. Maybe Collison/ Ibaka/Perkins/Westbrook/1st round picks for Nelson/Howard/Bass.

Magic roster after trade:

PG Westbrook, Arenas
SG JRich, Redick
SF Hedo, Clark
PF Ibaka, Collison, Anderson
C Perkins, Fran

Can't get much better than that if you are a Magic fan with out Howard IMO.

Thunder with the cap space could probably go after Paul then and add a few more role players making them the talk of the west for the next decade.

reincarnatingDABULLS · Post #31 » by **reincarnatingDABULLS** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:23 am

will dwight sign an extension to play in okc??

not a chance

wowski · Post #32 » by **wowski** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:24 am

fallacy wrote:OKC couldn't trade Ibaka and not Perkins. They would have 4 centers and no power forwards. If i'm OKC I wouldn't do the trade if ORL won't take Perk

It would be easy to do a seperate trade for Perk though.

Idunkonyou2 · Post #33 » by **Idunkonyou2** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:25 am

reincarnatingDABULLS wrote:will dwight sign an extension to play in okc??

not a chance

Yes because being paired with Durant and maybe even Paul would totally suck, LOL! :lol:

Cavemold · Post #34 » by **Cavemold** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:25 am

wowski wrote:
Cavemold wrote:I would trade harden Perkins , 1st rounder And maynor. Dwight gives you great lost post scoring and with ibeka to run with dwigt Oh my.

that would not do it. seriously.

Why not they rebounder in perk a rising star in harden who can hit the three and a draft pick to rebuild. Seems more than fair. No team will take on Gilbert. I'm sure okc would pick up hedo for back bench support or just cut him and absorb what's left on his deal.

Post #35 » by **slick_watts** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:30 am

If Dwight came with an extension, I'm not sure you could say no. If we're giving up Westbrook and Harden and Perkins and Collison I would not take back any dead weight.

wowski · Post #36 » by **wowski** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:30 am

Cavemold wrote:
wowski wrote:
Cavemold wrote:I would trade harden Perkins , 1st rounder And maynor. Dwight gives you great lost post scoring and with ibeka to run with dwigt Oh my.

that would not do it. seriously.

Why not they rebounder in perk a rising star in harden who can hit the three and a draft pick to rebuild. Seems more than fair. No team will take on Gilbert. I'm sure okc would pick up hedo for back bench support or just cut him and absorb what's left on his deal.

Either you are over valuing Harden or severely undervaluing Howard.

Cavemold · Post #37 » by **Cavemold** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:37 am

That a good deal for Orlando they isn't much out their that can compare. A draft pick a rebounder what they have been missing . And harden who fits the 3 ball scheme of the magic and they get rid of hedo contract.

RagingSage10 · Post #38 » by **RagingSage10** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:39 am

wowski wrote:
fallacy wrote:OKC couldn't trade Ibaka and not Perkins. They would have 4 centers and no power forwards. If i'm OKC I wouldn't do the trade if ORL won't take Perk

It would be easy to do a seperate trade for Perk though.

Boston S&t Jeff Green for Perk

8-)

KB89 · Post #39 » by **KB89** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:39 am

I don't really get how some of the Magic fans on RGM feel they hold so much leverage in a deal for Dwight. Dwight is only getting traded if he refuses to re-sign or demands a trade, at which point his value drops drastically. To demand Westbrook, one of the best PG's in general, and one who is young and still improving. Harden, a guy who is a deadly scorer off the bench, is a couple of years removed from being the third overall pick, would be viewed at as much better if given more minutes, and is still young and improving. Perkins, one of the best defensive centers in the league, who is still young at 26. Multiple first round picks. Demanding that Oklahoma City also takes back one of the worst contracts ever handed out in either Turkoglu or Arenas. AND Ibaka, who is proving to be one of the best young big men in the league. I know Dwight is great, but when it is known a player wants out you do not get full value for him. I challenge one of you to find a trade where this much value was given up in a circumstance like this.

wowski · Post #40 » by **wowski** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:42 am

KB89 wrote:I don't really get how some of the Magic fans on RGM feel they hold so much leverage in a deal for Dwight. Dwight is only getting traded if he refuses to re-sign or demands a trade, at which point his value drops drastically. To demand Westbrook, one of the best PG's in general, and one who is young and still improving. Harden, a guy who is a deadly scorer off the bench, is a couple of years removed from being the third overall pick, would be viewed at as much better if given more minutes, and is still young and improving. Perkins, one of the best defensive centers in the league, who is still young at 26. Multiple first round picks. Demanding that Oklahoma City also takes back one of the worst contracts ever handed out in either Turkoglu or Arenas. AND Ibaka, who is proving to be one of the best young big men in the league. I know Dwight is great, but when it is known a player wants out you do not get full value for him. I challenge one of you to find a trade where this much value was given up in a circumstance like this.

What do you think the Magic could get for Howard then assuming he wants to go to OKC and not any other team?