Mitch Richmond..The most underrated player ever?

LeonSmith · Post #21 » by **LeonSmith** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 3:45 pm

He was better than Joe Johnson. How the hell is saying he's better than Joe Johnson overrating him? He's only made one all-NBA team, and that was a all-NBA third team as well.

JerkyWay · Post #22 » by **JerkyWay** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:04 pm

JordansBulls wrote:Not in the playoffs

Huh...

Richmond used to have terrible supporting casts back then. About the same as T-Mac support in Orlando if Grant Hill wasn't playing. JJs support is easily better.

DavidSterned · Post #23 » by **DavidSterned** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:10 pm

Richmond was a very good player who ideally would have been the 2nd or 3rd option on a good team i.e. the Run TMC Warriors. He was a lot closer to Sprewell in his prime than he ever was to Drexler or Jordan.

As a first option he led the Kings to a whopping one playoff appearance, a 39-43 season that saw them get ousted quickly in the first round. The reason why Miller is remembered and Richmond is not is because Miller stepped up when it counted and had big playoff games while Richmond always seemed to be kind of an inconsequential guy down the stretch. He always got his numbers but he didn't have the skills to really distinguish himself late in games or late in seasons and leave his mark.

Winsome Gerbil · Post #24 » by **Winsome Gerbil** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:59 pm

Vindicater wrote:
JerkyWay wrote:Yeah, he's definitely one of the more underrated guys...He was better than Joe Johnson and on par with Manu and B-Roy. Always liked him.

ANd all of a sudden Mitch Richmond is overrated...

Better than Joe Johnson?

Ok sure... how many times did Mitch Richmond make the playoffs?

He was better than Joe Johnson. Maybe not worlds better, but better. For the same reason he wasn't as good as the Drexlers and Jordans, because the game came easier to them than it did Richmond, he is better than JJ. 20ppg was a breeze for him. 12pt games almost unheard of. And he was very strong on both sides of the ball. JJ would actually be a pretty good guy to call a poor man's Richmond actually. But Mitch was still like JJ in that he was a great player, but not great enough to lift a team up on his own. Not a special player or one who made other guys better. Definitely one of the better non-HOF shooting guards, but I still think pretty clearly a non-HOF shooting guard. Kind of the poster child for how good you can be and still not have that spark.

anuroc · Post #25 » by **anuroc** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 10:11 pm

Drexler >>> Richmond, thought I liked that Warriors team a lot. When they had Richmond, Tim Hardaway, Marciulionis, Mullin and whoever at the 5 they were a joy for the senses.

anuroc · Post #26 » by **anuroc** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 10:30 pm

By the way, if you want an underrated player from that era try with Kevin Johnson. He was the Chris Paul of the 90's but he only was AllStar 3 times and nowadays everyone seems to think those Suns were great just because Barkley was there.
While everybody hails Karl Malone as one of the best PF and no one forgets about Stockton, I think many people have forgotten Kevin Johnson was a superb player.

DEEP3CL · Post #27 » by **DEEP3CL** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:20 am

I don't think Mitch was underrated, he was good in Golden State but wasted his prime in Sacramento before they became what they were with C-Webb and White Chocolate and crew. Even when he signed with the Lakers he was a shell of his former self, but hell he got a ring out of it.

Vindicater · Post #28 » by **Vindicater** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:42 am

Winsome Gerbil wrote:
Vindicater wrote:
JerkyWay wrote:Yeah, he's definitely one of the more underrated guys...He was better than Joe Johnson and on par with Manu and B-Roy. Always liked him.

ANd all of a sudden Mitch Richmond is overrated...

Better than Joe Johnson?

Ok sure... how many times did Mitch Richmond make the playoffs?

He was better than Joe Johnson.

No... he wasn't.

He was a good player putting up numbers on a bad team. Not one team that was built around him won over 50%... Not one...

NCHeels2008 · Post #29 » by **NCHeels2008** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:54 am

his prime was lost on some dreadful teams and I concur with the earlier poster I would take Mitch in any year after 92 over Drexler

Post #30 » by **Turisas** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:29 am

Vindicater wrote:No... he wasn't.

He was a good player putting up numbers on a bad team. Not one team that was built around him won over 50%... Not one...

I think he was better than Joe Johnson. You can't blame him for not making the playoffs more often, the Kings teams he played on were absolutely awful. Olden Polynice? Michael Smith? Tyus Edney? The only decent team-mates I remember him having were Walt Williams and Brian Grant. The rest were garbage.

the_warden · Post #31 » by **the_warden** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:39 pm

Don't forget Wayman Tisdale!

I find it very hard to hold Richmond's lack of playoff success against him when he had literally no one.

Rik Smits, Mark Jackson, Derrick McKey, Dale Davis, Antonio Davis, Jalen Rose. I would argue that basically all of those guys are better than anything Richmond had on those Kings teams.

BR0D1E86 · Post #32 » by **BR0D1E86** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:52 pm

Vindicater wrote:
JerkyWay wrote:Yeah, he's definitely one of the more underrated guys...He was better than Joe Johnson and on par with Manu and B-Roy. Always liked him.

ANd all of a sudden Mitch Richmond is overrated...

Better than Joe Johnson?

Ok sure... how many times did Mitch Richmond make the playoffs?

Richmond was better than Joe Johnson. Put Joe Johnson on those Kings teams and he ain't making the playoffs either. And with more pressure on him to score his efficiency (where Richmond already has him) takes a bigger hit.

LeonSmith · Post #33 » by **LeonSmith** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:32 pm

Joe Johnson has made one all-NBA team (third). Richmond made five. Anyone trying to say that JJ is better than Richmond is a (Please Use More Appropriate Word), a "the 90s were a weak era" (Please Use More Appropriate Word), or a retard-retard. Take your pick.

ibraheim718 · Post #34 » by **ibraheim718** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:59 pm

It's Kevin Johnson for me at least.

Post #35 » by **Manhattan Project** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:43 pm

It does make you wonder how much Billy Owens changed the NBA/Warriors. Run TMC was so fun to watch, Richmond is up there but no the most underrated player ever.

lakerhater · Post #36 » by **lakerhater** » Mon Aug 1, 2011 12:22 am

JerkyWay wrote:Yeah, he's definitely one of the more underrated guys...He was better than Joe Johnson and on par with Manu and B-Roy. Always liked him.

The others:

Joe Barry Carroll

Somewhere out in cyberspace Sid the Squid is cussing vile profanities at his computer monitor having to read this and not being able to respond. I've got to believe that most long time GSW fans won't agree that Just Barely Cares is an underrated player.

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource. ... ug=1471641

"We're in the middle of playing the Lakers and Joe Barry is telling me, `Just relax and enjoy; we can't beat the Lakers,' " recalled Karl, who was named today to succeed K.C. Jones as the Seattle SuperSonics' head coach. "How was I supposed to respond to something like that?"

As only he could. Fuming after a loss, Karl marched into the Warrior locker room and destroyed Carroll's stall.

"I'm not surprised by that," said Johnny Davis, an Atlanta assistant who played for Karl in Cleveland. "Joe Barry was fortunate that he wasn't sitting in front of the locker or he would have gotten ripped apart, too."

Go to 2:11 of the following video to see a quintessential JBC moment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma84UIxVfcs

hourockman · Post #37 » by **hourockman** » Mon Aug 1, 2011 2:31 am

I was watching a couple mitch richmond videos online today. Since the day I began watching basketball I always knew he was a great player and never got the respect he deserved. But I came across a comment on a video that suggested that he was the most underrated player of all time.

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No. He was not underrated. He was under-appreciated because he played for Sacramento (which were the Clippers-North for a looong time, don't forget that).

You're not an underrated player when damn near every time you're on TV, one of the announcers calls you an underrated player. Fans knew exactly what he could do and they knew damn well that the Kings got the better end of the trade that brought him there (from GS for Billy Owens). Owens, aamof, might be the overrated player. Had some good talents, but he was supposed to be the next "next Magic" at that time (sharing the label w/ Steve Smith).

Mitch was under-appreciated. Trust. I was around in the early 90s. The Kings were an afterthought.

Alan Ogg · Post #38 » by **Alan Ogg** » Mon Aug 1, 2011 5:28 am

Was he better than Glen Rice?

Elden Payton · Post #39 » by **Elden Payton** » Tue Aug 2, 2011 12:05 pm

^^^

Arguable & both extremely underrated but Glen Rice played on better teams with better supporting casts.

NCHeels2008 · Post #40 » by **NCHeels2008** » Tue Aug 2, 2011 4:16 pm

I think Glen Rice had the best peak season (96-97) but Richmond had the better and more consistent career.