What years were Michael Jordan's prime?

Gongxi · Post #21 » by **Gongxi** » Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:06 pm

Georgetown? You should get his college right if you want to act like you know about the dude.

Anyway, I'd say 88-93. Silly to think he wasn't good enough to win titles until he won titles but...yeah, this place still has a way to go with that.

hourockman · Post #22 » by **hourockman** » Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:08 pm

Gongxi wrote:Georgetown? You should get his college right if you want to act like you know about the dude.

Anyway, I'd say 88-93. Silly to think he wasn't good enough to win titles until he won titles but...yeah, this place still has a way to go with that.

Oh, sue me, minor gaffe. I'm still right. If you think he was going to win a title under Collins, you're naive.

Gongxi · Post #23 » by **Gongxi** » Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:12 pm

And if you think Jordan suddenly became good enough in 91 when he wasn't in 90, you're naive. Awesome.

hourockman · Post #24 » by **hourockman** » Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:13 pm

Gongxi wrote:And if you think Jordan suddenly became good enough in 91 when he wasn't in 90, you're naive. Awesome.

You need to read the Jordan Rules, pronto, if you think I'm wrong in that refrain. You don't know about him as much as you think you do.

Gongxi · Post #25 » by **Gongxi** » Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:16 pm

I don't? I grew up in Chicago in the Jordan years. I read the Jordan Rules in when I was in junior high.

hourockman · Post #26 » by **hourockman** » Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:22 pm

Gongxi wrote:I don't? I grew up in Chicago in the Jordan years. I read the Jordan Rules in when I was in junior high.

At either rate, I don't consider Jordan's prime to be outside of his title window. Major insult, I guess.

Gongxi · Post #27 » by **Gongxi** » Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:24 pm

Maybe he just got to be so good at playing basketball over the summer of 1990 that it helped Pippen stop having migraines.

hourockman · Post #28 » by **hourockman** » Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:28 pm

Gongxi wrote:Maybe he just got to be so good at playing basketball over the summer of 1990 that it helped Pippen stop having migraines.

Lol. You Jordanairres have some nerve complaining about how fervent the Kobe jockers are. You can have your excuses. I don't need a running list of them.

Gongxi · Post #29 » by **Gongxi** » Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:33 pm

Huh? I have no idea what you're talking about. Because I think his prime wasn't just the years he won championships I'm a Jordanairre? Weird.

I do have to admit it's pretty funny how within the span of a few posts,in your mind I went from a guy who didn't know about Jordan to one of his super fans. Whatever helps.

BeKuK · Post #30 » by **BeKuK** » Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:33 pm

His whole carreer has been prime, but his physical prime was from 1984-91.

TruSkool · Post #31 » by **TruSkool** » Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:34 pm

01-03...dude put up 40 at 40

hourockman · Post #32 » by **hourockman** » Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:36 pm

Gongxi wrote:Huh? I have no idea what you're talking about. Because I think his prime wasn't just the years he won championships I'm a Jordanairre? Weird.

No, because you're irked at someone who differs in opinion -- one that isn't even harsh. Yes, weird.

IG2 · Post #33 » by **IG2** » Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:36 pm

Gongxi wrote:Maybe he just got to be so good at playing basketball over the summer of 1990 that it helped Pippen stop having migraines.

I don't think anybody's implying MJ made some major adjustments to his game that helped him win the championship in '91. The biggest difference was still his teammates, but MJ IS a better player in '91 than he was before it. Stronger body, better game-management skills and more skilled. This should be obvious to anyone who's followed him closely.

Darain · Post #34 » by **Darain** » Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:36 pm

Michael Jordan deserved MVP from every year he played

Expect 02 and 03 and even then that's debate-able

hourockman · Post #35 » by **hourockman** » Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:40 pm

IG2 wrote:
Gongxi wrote:Maybe he just got to be so good at playing basketball over the summer of 1990 that it helped Pippen stop having migraines.

I don't think anybody's implying MJ made some major adjustments to his game that helped him win the championship in '91. The biggest difference was still his teammates, but MJ IS a better player in '91 than he was before it. Stronger body, better game-management skills and more skilled. This should be obvious to anyone who's followed him closely.

Yep, especially the last sentence.

The Red Army · Post #36 » by **The Red Army** » Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:42 pm

1991 Jordan

hourockman · Post #37 » by **hourockman** » Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:43 pm

Gongxi wrote:
I do have to admit it's pretty funny how within the span of a few posts,in your mind I went from a guy who didn't know about Jordan to one of his super fans. Whatever helps.

Your quick inclusion of the Pippen excuse reminded me of some of the excuses I read about Kobe on the Laker board. That's what made you seem suspect pretty quickly. You're ready to reach into that bag of excuses for your hero real quick over something that isn't even an insult. Hell, we're off by only 2 yrs in terms of what we consider his prime, too, and this is the level of pissiness you're at? Kobe zealot type stuff. :wink:

Calm down, man. No need to be so smarmy over an otherwise well-meaning contribution to this thread.

For the record, I consider Jordan to be the greatest all-around player of all time. I don't want to think that considering that my sports idol was Magic Johnson, but I will be honest enough to admit it. I'm not inherently against the guy, although I can't say that I was a fan of the Bulls. I appreciated Jordan and various other greats from their era, however. I will say this, though. Jordan is one of those players (like Kobe), that you almost have to type out a list of qualifications if you're going to write anything that may be perceived as a slight insult. Perhaps it was my fault that my original post didn't start w/ the above admission. Maybe you wouldn't have been as sensitive to a non-Bulls/non-MJ fan throwing his 2 cents in.

Gongxi · Post #38 » by **Gongxi** » Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:52 pm

IG2 wrote:
Gongxi wrote:Maybe he just got to be so good at playing basketball over the summer of 1990 that it helped Pippen stop having migraines.

I don't think anybody's implying MJ made some major adjustments to his game that helped him win the championship in '91. The biggest difference was still his teammates, but MJ IS a better player in '91 than he was before it. Stronger body, better game-management skills and more skilled. This should be obvious to anyone who's followed him closely.

Meh, I doubt it.

hourockman wrote:
Gongxi wrote:
I do have to admit it's pretty funny how within the span of a few posts,in your mind I went from a guy who didn't know about Jordan to one of his super fans. Whatever helps.

Your quick inclusion of the Pippen excuse reminded me of some of the excuses I read about Kobe on the Laker board. That's what made you seem suspect pretty quickly. You're ready to reach into that bag of excuses for your hero real quick over something that isn't even an insult. Hell, we're off by only 2 yrs in terms of what we consider his prime, too, and this is the level of pissiness you're at? Kobe zealot type stuff.

Seriously, you're doing some Quixote **** right here. If Pippen played well in 90, Jordan would've won that year. That's not an excuse, that's a fact.

I'm not insulted about Jordan; I'm insulted at the idea that winning made Jordan a better player.

IG2 · Post #39 » by **IG2** » Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:59 pm

Gongxi wrote:Meh, I doubt it.

I don't see what's there to doubt. As long as you've followed the guy's career fairly closely, MJ being stronger, more skilled and better at managing the game from 91-93 as opposed to 84-89 shouldn't be debatable.

A lot of people consider '90 part of MJ's prime too, but I see a slight difference in polish and skill, which I believe partly led to his downfall against Detroit in the playoffs. Something I believe 91-93 MJ would've been able to avoid.

Gongxi · Post #40 » by **Gongxi** » Sat Oct 8, 2011 7:03 pm

It's extremely debatable, and it's not really backed up by any objective facts. Like you talk about the Detroit series, but how did his "polish" effect his production? Well, it didn't. Unless you have some objective facts, I'm failing to see what you're saying.