WT: Jazz Shopping Jefferson, Millsap

[Luigi]

I don't think Millsap can play small forward. He's a perfect sixth man power forward though. His tireless dirty work overpowers second string 4s, or tired starting 4s. But, when he goes up against starting 4s with length, he gets into serious trouble on both ends of the floor. He's also a bargain, which makes me want to Jefferson get traded instead.

However, Jefferson is a rare offensive threat. In my book, that's the offensive weapon you want to build a successful playoff offense around, and its a rare thing to find in the NBA today. So I don't relaly want to see him traded either. I mean, why wait for Kanter to develop his post game when we already have Jefferson able to dominate with his.

But I guess one of them has to go sometime, and with Okur looking 100%, we won't miss them too bad. 96 minutes to be split among Favors, Okur, Kanter, Evans, and either Millsap or Jefferson. At least in the compressed season we'll be able to alternate the lineup on back to backs.

[jeff1624]

Oh but he is. And Harris has averaged more assists then Collison the last 2 years.

Not really. Collison is much more efficient. Harris plays more minutes and his assist numbers dropped in Utah. Collison had to play the first half of the season under Jim O'Brien who's offensive system isn't too friendly towards point guards.

Collison is also 4 years younger and about $8 million dollars per year cheaper.

I should have said in my earlier post that harris averages more assts per 36 min. And Collison is a TO machine himself.

As for Salary, it's irrelevant since the Jazz would have both on their roster if they were to do the deal you proposed.

[Strange Clouds]

Turner is untouchable as far as I'm concerned. Milsap or Jefferson doesn't make Philly contenders. Why not just give ET another season. Apparently his jump shot his main focus in the summer and he was showign signs of improvement as the season progressed. So, no thanks.

[Jellybeans8]

Damn, I was really hoping to see more of Milsap at SF. Always funny to watch a real team use 2k style 3 big man lineups.

Kinda like

Kobe
Artest
Odom
Gasol
Bynum

[Sofa King]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=btrwm5z

Haha, check the projected wins. Now that's a trade.

[eslr]

I think either will fetch much less than Jazz fans think. Jefferson, with his contract and defense, is slightly above neutral value. Millsap is on a very good contract but limited to one position which he plays more or less at an average starter level. For those reasons, no one is breaking the bank talentwise in a trade for either.

[eslr]

Oh but he is. And Harris has averaged more assists then Collison the last 2 years.

Not really. Collison is much more efficient. .

Major fail.

[Effigy]

I think Jefferson is more likely to be amnestied than traded for anything valuable. You might be able to dump him on a team like Indy that can just absorb his cap figure and send you a 2nd rounder or something...

[StocktonShorts]

I think either will fetch much less than Jazz fans think. Jefferson, with his contract and defense, is slightly above neutral value. Millsap is on a very good contract but limited to one position which he plays more or less at an average starter level. For those reasons, no one is breaking the bank talentwise in a trade for either.

Honestly I just want Jefferson and his contract out of the way. Any non-toxic asset(s) the Jazz get back is gravy. (I'm probably in the minority on this among Jazz fans)

[Indy2thaWindy]

I should have said in my earlier post that harris averages more assts per 36 min. And Collison is a TO machine himself.

Last year was his highest assts per36 in his career, easily. And dropped from 8.6 with New Jersey to 6.2 with Utah. I doubt he does what he did last year during his time in New Jersey again. He's never been close to that before and he's not that kind of player.

When I said efficient, I meant scoring. He shot 42% last year and 40% the year before that. Collison shot 46% last year and 48% the year before. Collison is also a better 3pt shooter and FT shooter.

Collison was a 2nd year point guard, you can expect him to be a little turnover prone. But his career turnovers PER36 is 3.2. Devin Harris, going into his 8th season, is at 2.9, while he's gotten progressively more turnover prone as his career has gone on.

As for Salary, it's irrelevant since the Jazz would have both on their roster if they were to do the deal you proposed.

Jazz would the start shopping Harris I guess, or the deal could be a 3-way sending Harris to a 3rd team with the 3rd team sending back something to Utah. I don't think he's worth much at all. I thought he was a much more efficient scorer than he actually.

[bhartsell]

Millsap is bad defensively, right?

[Indy2thaWindy]

Oh but he is. And Harris has averaged more assists then Collison the last 2 years.

Not really. Collison is much more efficient. .

Major fail.

What?

[DelaneyRudd]

Let me guess, every kid on RealGM with a fluffy half mustache and sagging jeans wants to offer their fave teams garbage. Well I pass!

[TylerTheDebater]

This post include two LOLs.

First:

This one would make me excited or like, a season.

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/7775/captureka.png

Second:

Jose Calderon would be a great PG to grew Utah's talent.

Fin.

Not part of the LOL: Still not sure why Utah has a team and Seattle doesn't. (part 1 and the only one that matters: Seattle isn't racist).

[eslr]

What?

A: efg%: .534 ts% .481 pps: 1.19

B: efg%: .552 ts%: .475 pps: 1.33



You tell me who is more efficient, let alone "much more efficient"

[MilBucksBackOnTop06]

Yeah, there's been a lot of talk about Millsap and Indiana. If Pacers do trade for him, they better not overpay. Collison and a 1st would be the most I would go. We could just sign David West and keep our pick and Collison too.

Collison!?

Hell no...you don't do that.That would be stupid. Milsap does not mean a title for the Pacers right away but Collison gives them a shot down the road.

Never trade a young PG like Collison for Milsap. He comes a dime a dozen...What is up there with Mike Dunleavy and James Posey?

I would trade him and maybe a pick for Milsap.

[Xsy]

Still not sure why Utah has a team and Seattle doesn't. (part 1 and the only one that matters: Seattle isn't racist).

[MilBucksBackOnTop06]

Jazz wil make the right deal....very heady organization.

Outside the Spurs not a better team in the entire league in re-making and building their teams down through the years IMO.

Gordan Hayward. Enes Kantner, and Derrick Favors and CJ Miles is not bad, the ONLY MISTAKE was letting Wes Matthews get away.

But they covered that with this kid Alex Burks who I liked for my Bucks to take...they are in fair shape to rebound quickly. Not sure about Tyrone Corbin as coach with young players but we'll see.

[Indy2thaWindy]

What?

A: efg%: .534 ts% .481 pps: 1.19

B: efg%: .552 ts%: .475 pps: 1.33



You tell me who is more efficient, let alone "much more efficient"

He was more efficient earlier in his career. Look at his last two seasons.

Harris

09-10 - TS%: .512 eFG%: .437 FG%: .403 3PT%: .276 FT%: .798

10-11 - TS%: .545 eFG%: .458 FG%: .422 3PT%: .322 FT%: .833

Collison

09-10 - TS%: .546 eFG%: .506 FG%: .477 3PT%: .400 FT%: .851

10-11 - TS%: .534 eFG%: .481 FG%: .457 3PT%: .331 FT%: .871

He has been much more efficient.

What you tried doing was basically the same thing as taking Tim Duncan's career stats, compare them to the best power forwards currently in their prime's career stats, and then say Tim Duncan is still the most dominant power forward in the NBA. It doesn't work like that.

[Amish Mafioso]

Not part of the LOL: Still not sure why Utah has a team and Seattle doesn't. (part 1 and the only one that matters: Seattle isn't racist).

So true, although I did hear they hate dumbasses from Canada. Is that true?