"Only way to avoid 'super teams' is to impose a hard cap."

[Glen20]

fixed cap is the solution to avoiding super teams
could lead to unprecedented financial problems in the future though

[DanTown8587]

No. A Hard Cap is a bad idea because it's a serious concession by the players and for the owners to get that, they would need to concede something else they likely wouldn't want to.

Fans think that all 30 owners want the same thing and that's just not true. Sure they would all like to win, but they all like making money first and a hard cap wouldn't help the bottom end of the owners, all it would do is drive is a guy like Pau Gasol or James Harden to being the first option on a bad team instead of where they are now.

[TheUroborosWorm]

The NBA is selling a better product for casual fans now, so going back to 1 "upper echelon all star/super star" for team won't happen, just deal with it, couch fans who write in forums/twitter complaining about his team sucking or how unfair is for LA and MIA to be LA and MIA... are not the target of the product, so you better understand that and try to enjoy the game, support your team and relax, if your front office/owner sucks im sorry for you, they will suck in the "super teams" era and did sucked in the previous eras, and odds are that they will suck in whatever era comes after this one...

Either save a few hundred of millions and buy your team or just buy a few beers, few candy bars, few hot dogs/pizzas/ pop corn and watch the games and enjoy the best team sport for the sake of it, because is fun and amazing.

[MLSE]

Are the thunder a "super team"?

Have the Spurs been a "super team" for a decade?

Depending on the definition of "super teams" - there' s your simple answer.

The fact that over 80% of the teams since 1980 have been superteams makes the Spurs very rare.

[Don Draper]

The NBA is selling a better product for casual fans now, so going back to 1 "upper echelon all star/super star" for team won't happen, just deal with it, couch fans who write in forums/twitter complaining about his team sucking or how unfair is for LA and MIA to be LA and MIA... are not the target of the product, so you better understand that and try to enjoy the game, support your team and relax, if your front office/owner sucks im sorry for you, they will suck in the "super teams" era and did sucked in the previous eras, and odds are that they will suck in whatever era comes after this one...

Either save a few hundred of millions and buy your team or just buy a few beers, few candy bars, few hot dogs/pizzas/ pop corn and watch the games and enjoy the best team sport for the sake of it, because is fun and amazing.

/thread

[andremcosta]

Lakers getting Howard required them having the #2 best center in the league. A center they drafted behind a lot of idiot teams like my Warriors.

Getting Gasol required....another Gasol. Another one of the best centers in the league now, who they drafted low as well.

Get the drift?

As for hard cap, I am not sure if it will achieve everyone's goal of having one star plus a bunch of scrubs on every team. It might though combined with no max salary for any individual player.

You talk as if Memphis gave Pau Gasol for Marc Gasol we see playing now. He was only a low draft pick at that point, not a good Center.

Also, Bynum is not the point here.

The last 5 rings were because Lakers have money, not because of savvy management.

I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm saying it's what a lot of people don't want in the NBA. To see a team winning 5 rings in 10 years because they have money, not because of good basketball decisions.

NY Yankees is not wrong. They have a lot of money to spent, they can do even stupid decisions and still contend. It's legit, but some people don't want it in NBA. You can argue that Lakers are not the ones to blame, they are doing what they are supposed to do.

But pretending LA is doing an impressive job despite of the money is lame. Some guys are dumb enough to suggest Lakers traded Kwame for Gasol, as if it wasn't a rich team giving cap relief to a poor one. Once more, MONEY and not basketball decisions.

To be honest, I'm happy with the league now, but I understand people who prefers a league based on basketball decisions and not only money.

[Ditchweed]

Inb4 Ditchweed & Winsom Gerbil

No such thing as a super team and a hard cap will never work unless there is no max and owners are willing to give unguarnteed contracts (none of which will ever happen).

You got that in really early. How is the weather in Houston... hot?

I agree with the no max contracts and some but not all non guaranteed contracts, always have, they would be needed to go with a hard cap for it all to work correctly.

However, one thing for people to keep in mind is that the new luxury tax penalties haven't kicked in yet, they don't start till 2013/2014. Right now, with a $100 m salary, a team like the Lakers would have a tax of:

2012/2013 - $100m salary costs $30m luxury tax (using a $70m tax cutoff)
2013/2014 - $100m salary costs $63m luxury tax (using a $75m tax cutoff)
2014/2015 - $100m salary costs $88m luxury tax (using a $75m tax cutoff and repeater rate)

Even a team like LA might balk at that extra $58 million in penalties. It looks like NY balked when it came to Lin. Anyway, let's see after it happens if the new tax will have the desired deterrent on stacking stars. It hasn't had its chance yet. We may not need the hard cap after all.

[Jazza2319]

How bout bottom-dwelling teams like Sacramento and Toronto start making smart decisions and fire the morons who keep making mistakes.

Example - Toronto just over-paid out the ass for Landry Fields...LANDRY FIELDS!

Minnesota - took 2 PG's in the top 5

Sacramento - Horrible drafting, no team identity...every damn player is practically the same

I'm sorry, but i cant feel bad for these garbage teams that make bad decision after bad decision. Cleveland and Toronto lost Lebron/Bosh because they put crap teams around them in 6 years, CP3 left NO because they couldn't put a decent perimeter player next to him

[Kosar86]

The NFL has a hard cap and a franchise tag and all that league has done is dominate the american sports landscape....in the 15+ years of the franchise tag, I cant remember a QB pulling the complaining/i want out of here stuff Carmelo and Dwight have done recently.

Overall league popularity = money.

[CablexDeadpool]

Lakers getting Howard required them having the #2 best center in the league. A center they drafted behind a lot of idiot teams like my Warriors.

Getting Gasol required....another Gasol. Another one of the best centers in the league now, who they drafted low as well.

Get the drift?

As for hard cap, I am not sure if it will achieve everyone's goal of having one star plus a bunch of scrubs on every team. It might though combined with no max salary for any individual player.

You talk as if Memphis gave Pau Gasol for Marc Gasol we see playing now. He was only a low draft pick at that point, not a good Center.

Also, Bynum is not the point here.

The last 5 rings were because Lakers have money, not because of savvy management.

I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm saying it's what a lot of people don't want in the NBA. To see a team winning 5 rings in 10 years because they have money, not because of good basketball decisions.

NY Yankees is not wrong. They have a lot of money to spent, they can do even stupid decisions and still contend. It's legit, but some people don't want it in NBA. You can argue that Lakers are not the ones to blame, they are doing what they are supposed to do.

But pretending LA is doing an impressive job despite of the money is lame. Some guys are dumb enough to suggest Lakers traded Kwame for Gasol, as if it wasn't a rich team giving cap relief to a poor one. Once more, MONEY and not basketball decisions.

To be honest, I'm happy with the league now, but I understand people who prefers a league based on basketball decisions and not only money.

Only way money isn't involved if these players are playing for free.

The Lakers are extremely good at management, they pull of ridiculous trades all the damn.

[Dr Aki]

and what did memphis do with that capspace? they went out and traded for zach randolph and then proceeded to give him a 71 million dollar extension, and now they have a fantastically balanced and talented team because of the gasol trade, the grizz damn near have the same amount of talent if not more than OKC have

let's not assume teams like memphis need protection from money flinging teams like the lakers, theyre more than capable of building a contender with the resources they currently have

[CablexDeadpool]

The NFL has a hard cap and a franchise tag and all that league has done is dominate the american sports landscape....in the 15+ years of the franchise tag, I cant remember a QB pulling the complaining/i want out of here stuff Carmelo and Dwight have done recently.

Overall league popularity = money.

Carson Palmer threatened to retire if he wasn't traded.

[twix2500]

LOL what are yall implying?? One star per team rule LMBO. Why are yall so obsessed with something the NBA is not trying to stop and never has. Pistons, Thunder, Heat, Mavs, Spurs, Lakers and Celtics have found their own unique way of building a team. If you prevent player movement than the same team will always win and then yall will be really bitching. Right now its about whos GM and organization is better and thats the way it should be.

[CablexDeadpool]

LOL what are yall implying?? One star per team rule LMBO. Why are yall so obsessed with something the NBA is not trying to stop and never has. Thunder, Heat, Spurs, Lakers and Boston have found their own unique way of building a team. If you prevent player movement than the same team will always win and then yall will be really bitching.

It's the "everybody gets a trophy" mentality that has been dominating the western mindset for about 10 years now...

[twix2500]

LOL what are yall implying?? One star per team rule LMBO. Why are yall so obsessed with something the NBA is not trying to stop and never has. Thunder, Heat, Spurs, Lakers and Boston have found their own unique way of building a team. If you prevent player movement than the same team will always win and then yall will be really bitching.

It's the "everybody gets a trophy" mentality that has been dominating the western mindset for about 10 years now...

These dummies dont understand, the rules they are trying to suggest would of giving Lebron James 10 NBA championships by now. Every team would look like Lebron's Cleveland Cavs a one star team. If a team was lucky enough to draft two stars like the Thunder, then it would be just Durant, Westbrook and a bunch of D Leaguers. They wouldnt be able to afford good role players.

[DanTown8587]

The NFL has a hard cap and a franchise tag and all that league has done is dominate the american sports landscape....in the 15+ years of the franchise tag, I cant remember a QB pulling the complaining/i want out of here stuff Carmelo and Dwight have done recently.

Overall league popularity = money.

The NFL also has non-guaranteed contracts and no max salaries, something NBA owners would not agree to.

[xStanton27]

A hardcap means that a team would just have 3 all stars and scrubs or really young guys...just like how most superteams are structured.


Ibaka isn't even that good, and yeah Ibaka will leave but they still have Durant, Harden and Westbrook.


Nothing can stop superteams from forming. Nothing ever will, Superteams are here to stay.

Not if a team with 2 all stars and better role players beats them.

[NCHeels2008]

and what did memphis do with that capspace? they went out and traded for zach randolph and then proceeded to give him a 71 million dollar extension, and now they have a fantastically balanced and talented team because of the gasol trade, the grizz damn near have the same amount of talent if not more than OKC have

let's not assume teams like memphis need protection from money flinging teams like the lakers, theyre more than capable of building a contender with the resources they currently have

ssshhh we don't like your logical post kind here

[twix2500]

The NFL has a hard cap and a franchise tag and all that league has done is dominate the american sports landscape....in the 15+ years of the franchise tag, I cant remember a QB pulling the complaining/i want out of here stuff Carmelo and Dwight have done recently.

Overall league popularity = money.

The NFL also has non-guaranteed contracts and no max salaries, something NBA owners would not agree to.

And you will have players demanding to be traded and sitting out games. Players will be complaining that they out played their contract or they should be the highest paid on the team. The Overseas League would be licking their chops. Players would start leaving to Overseas because their will be no cap room for them to get paid.

[CablexDeadpool]

A hardcap means that a team would just have 3 all stars and scrubs or really young guys...just like how most superteams are structured.


Ibaka isn't even that good, and yeah Ibaka will leave but they still have Durant, Harden and Westbrook.


Nothing can stop superteams from forming. Nothing ever will, Superteams are here to stay.

Not if a team with 2 all stars and better role players beats them.

Like who?


All of the allstars are part of super teams.