Why was it a big deal with the Heat and not with others?

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Re: Why was it a big deal with the Heat and not with others? 

Post#21 » by HeatFanSince87 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:18 pm

PetroNet wrote:The situations you mentioned are all completely different then the miami heat situation.

Lakers - howard didn't sign there as a free agent. He was traded there, and he wanted to go to brooklyn. Gasol was also traded there, years ago, and the two didn't decide together to team up.

Celtics - again, ray allen didn't sign there, they traded jeff green for him. Kg didn't sign there, they trade al jefferson for him and kg didn't even want to be a celtic at first.

Knicks - lol, how is this even relevant? Chandler is far from a star player and knicks didn't make it out of the first round.



Basically... players need to fall in line and allow only the owners or GM's to dictate their career paths is what you are saying? Lebron gave the Cavs SEVEN years and they could not sign, draft or trade for ONE legit All-Star in his prime. Not ONE. So Lebron took his career in his own hands(Like KG even told him to do after they beat him in 2010..don't waste time is what KG told him.. don't make the same mistake he did in Minn), and went to play for one of the best run organziations in the league, to control his own destiny, took less money to play with a core tht could contend for years.

Wade was the same age Paul Peirce was when their Big 3 teamed up.. and KG refused to go to Boston until they landed Ray Allen.

Seriously... Howard didnt want to be traded to the Lakers so that made it ok? LOL. He held a franchise hostage for 2 years and embarressed their whole ogrniazation. Lebron had the dumb "decision" yet he played out his contract and moved on. NO ONE was going to Cleveland on their own... at least not a player in their prime. No player ever has. Not a shot at the Cavs.. just reality. Orlando is an attractive place for players and Orlando got key players to sign their in their prime like TMac and Hill. Players would have gone to Orlando had Howard asked them too...he didnt.

No other team gets the hate Miami does.. which is fine, but dont pretend it's close. Yes, Lebron did the stupid "Decision" which he apoligized for and was Jim Gray's idea. Also, the "not one, not two, etc" which was stupid but Riley had that pep rally planned just like he did for Shaq in 2004 and no one cared. No one cared when Shaq promised a title before ever wearing a Heat uniform.


Bottom line is people like you make up reasons to hate Lebron. It's ok that other players have played on STACKED teams..but ONLY when the ownership or GMs make it happen. Since Kobe has had great management his whole career and played with greats like Shaq, Howard, Gasol in their prime, it's all good? But since Lebron had to join one of the worst franchises in basketball.. how dare he join with other top players, right?

Look at the Cavs when Lebron was drafted in 2003 and look at the Lakers in 96 when Kobe was drafted. This guy has played for loaded teams since his career started in 96. From Shaq, Eddie Jones, NVE to Malone and GP, Gasol, Howard, Nash.. etc. Yet the two years he didnt have a stacked team.. what happened? He demanded a trade in 2006. But that's ok right? Thing is, I'm not hating on Kobe.. he demands management to make it happen.. and they have. If not, he would leave. Let's not forget he had Phil Jackson and never wina ring without him. I say the same for Wade. Look what Riley has given him in his career? Shaq basically still in his prime, then Lebron and Bosh. There is a reason Kobe and Wade will both never wear another team's uniform.. their ownership and managment.

It was ok when Charle Barkely in his prime demanded a trade becasue Philly sucked? Or Melo demanded a trade because he wanted to play in NY? Or CP3 demanded a trade?

The double standard on here and in the NBA world by fans is amazing..
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Re: Why was it a big deal with the Heat and not with others? 

Post#22 » by NCHeels2008 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:38 pm

You know the difference between all those others you listed? They weren't three players at the beginning of their prime, two at the same position deciding they were going to "win all the titles"

Michael Jordan undoubtedly made Pippen into a better player and was part of who Pippen became.

Maybe I'm alone in this, but I think Bynum would've never became who he was, had he not been nurtured in the Lakers organization. I also think Pau raised his game to another level once he started playing with Kobe.

Lebron made a lot of money for his role players in Cleveland, no hating there. But he didn't play a part in building/creating that championship. He cheesily signed on with two other players entering their prime (not exiting a la the Celtics). This isn't the same as the Cs or even the Lakers now, three of the Lakers four are past their prime.

If Kevin Love and Blake Griffin (who aren't even as good as LBJ/Wade were in '10) "joined forces" next year they would catch hell. If Deron Williams and Chris Paul joined forces this year, same thing. You don't see the forest through the trees. Wade and James were meant to be rivals, to be on the same team AND add Bosh simultaneously is sad. It's cheating history that they aren't battling in the East. Instead we have a conference that is still decimated in the wake of their moves in 2010.
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Post#23 » by MemphisX » Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:51 pm

None of these answers make sense. Not only did you see hate for LeBron from fans but media and former players. The real reason was jealousy because a lot of media members made up sources regarding FA 2010 and some major fan bases were butt hurt about him going to Miami. It is not about teaming up because nobody had a problem with the idea of LeBron and Bosh going to Chicago with Rose.

There is also no comparison to the two years of hate and ridicule LeBron got and what Howard is getting.
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Post#24 » by HeatFanSince87 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:31 pm

MemphisX wrote:None of these answers make sense. Not only did you see hate for LeBron from fans but media and former players. The real reason was jealousy because a lot of media members made up sources regarding FA 2010 and some major fan bases were butt hurt about him going to Miami. It is not about teaming up because nobody had a problem with the idea of LeBron and Bosh going to Chicago with Rose.

There is also no comparison to the two years of hate and ridicule LeBron got and what Howard is getting.



BINGO! All these "experts" predicted he be a Knick, maybe a Bull or stay with the Cavs. I remember Jon Barry being angry..so angry anytime suggested Miami could pull it off. I still remember straight up ANGER being spewed from this a$$ clown after Lebron chose Miami on ESPN. This guy was so mad it was actually pathetic to see. Hence why he carried his Heat hate for 2 years.

Fact is, had Lebron chose to go with Bosh to NY... or even Wade to NY, no one would care. It was "expected" for 2 years he would be a Knick. But since he chose to go to a "non sports town" on a team no one really considered a real threat to land Lebron... it caused the initial uproar.
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Post#25 » by HeatFanSince87 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:32 pm

Side beard wrote:Lebron joined someone, not someone joined Lebron.



Did the Cavs have cap space to sign another max free agent? NO.

Lebron made the decision to play for rings and not waste his prime in no man's land by himself with average role players.
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Re: Why was it a big deal with the Heat and not with others? 

Post#26 » by Heat3 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:38 pm

How many teams wanted to sign Lebron (or Bosh or Wade) and failed? How many of those were in big media markets? There is you answer.

None of this other stuff about "how he did it".
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Post#27 » by twinthunder3 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:40 pm

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Post#28 » by nykballa2k4 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:43 pm

Ratchet_Rio wrote:Looking back, the comments people made after LeBron joined the Heat are hilarious.

"He's never going to be in the MVP discussion again"

"Now he can never be Michael Jordan!!"

"When you're the MVP they come to you!!!!"


And all he's done since joined the Heat is won a title, won an MVP, been in contention for another, and enhanced his basketball legacy.


LeBron did not deserve the MVP to me. I know I don't have a vote, but I am not changing my opinion because his team was loaded and really did not exceed expectations.

LeBron can not be the next MJ. He can only be the first LeBron. There are no molds.
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Post#29 » by HeatFanSince87 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:45 pm

NCHeels2008 wrote:You know the difference between all those others you listed? They weren't three players at the beginning of their prime, two at the same position deciding they were going to "win all the titles"

Michael Jordan undoubtedly made Pippen into a better player and was part of who Pippen became.

Maybe I'm alone in this, but I think Bynum would've never became who he was, had he not been nurtured in the Lakers organization. I also think Pau raised his game to another level once he started playing with Kobe.

Lebron made a lot of money for his role players in Cleveland, no hating there. But he didn't play a part in building/creating that championship. He cheesily signed on with two other players entering their prime (not exiting a la the Celtics). This isn't the same as the Cs or even the Lakers now, three of the Lakers four are past their prime.

If Kevin Love and Blake Griffin (who aren't even as good as LBJ/Wade were in '10) "joined forces" next year they would catch hell. If Deron Williams and Chris Paul joined forces this year, same thing. You don't see the forest through the trees. Wade and James were meant to be rivals, to be on the same team AND add Bosh simultaneously is sad. It's cheating history that they aren't battling in the East. Instead we have a conference that is still decimated in the wake of their moves in 2010.



Paul Peirce was 28 when KG and Ray joined him. KG and Ray were still in their prime. KG refused to go to Boston.. then they got Ray, and he went. Why is this any different? Because the 3 assembled came together in a different manner? That's a tecnhicality. KG was NOT going anywhere unless he felt he could win a title on that team. KG just turned 31... stop acting like this guy wasnt in the best phase of his career at that age.

Should Boston have given away Rondo since he turned out to be an All-Star? I mean, that's too much help isnt it? LOL.. the goal for players and teams is to build teams to contend and WIN. That's the goal... guess what? When that doesnt happen, teams trade players or players demand trades.

Cheating history? LOL...but had Lebron and Bosh joined Rose in Chicago it would be ok, right? Lebron and Wade are not the same as CP3 and Williams. Awful comparsion. Both play different positions, one is 6-4 shooting guard and one is a 6-8 260 pound freak Just because both were ball dominate prior to playing togther, doesnt mean they play the same.

How about Magic Johnson in 79 saying if the Lakers didnt take him number 1, he was going back to college for hus junior season? He wanted to play with a stacked team. You guys give almost every other player a pass that bascially have done the same thing in their career.

Unrestricted free agency didnt exist until 89 and for years was it it's infancy stages. Players couldnt leave. Don't think for a second after MJ was getting abused by the Pistons every year prior to his 7th season, he wouldnt have considered joining another legit star if given the chance. Larry Bird never had to look elswhere either.. his teams were stacked. Even the "Loyal" Dirk said after the summer of 2010, had Wade and Lebron asked him to team up, he would have considered it. I can go on and on. Why would a guy like KD leave OKC when their management has stacked his team? Bottom line, Lebron gave the cavs 7 years...7 of their best years ever. He decided not to waste another 7 years...he just picked a team most never expected and people hated on him for it.
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Post#30 » by HeatFanSince87 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:47 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:
Ratchet_Rio wrote:Looking back, the comments people made after LeBron joined the Heat are hilarious.

"He's never going to be in the MVP discussion again"

"Now he can never be Michael Jordan!!"

"When you're the MVP they come to you!!!!"


And all he's done since joined the Heat is won a title, won an MVP, been in contention for another, and enhanced his basketball legacy.


LeBron did not deserve the MVP to me. I know I don't have a vote, but I am not changing my opinion because his team was loaded and really did not exceed expectations.

LeBron can not be the next MJ. He can only be the first LeBron. There are no molds.



Only a true hater will agree with you that Lebron didnt deserve the MVP. WOW...
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Post#31 » by HeatFanSince87 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:49 pm

Heat3 wrote:How many teams wanted to sign Lebron (or Bosh or Wade) and failed? How many of those were in big media markets? There is you answer.

None of this other stuff about "how he did it".



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Post#32 » by ropjhk » Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:49 pm

1) Miami involved superstar free agents signing below their market value, whereas the other examples involve trades. It would be different if a disgruntled Lebron forced a trade and ended up in Miami alongside Wade.

2) Lebron is a top 10 GOAT level player. Wade and/or Bosh should be coming to him and not the other way around.

3) The other teams have also been criticized for trying to ruin competition in the league. There is plenty of hate to go around.
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Post#33 » by OptimusOne6 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:56 pm

Because none of those guys ever got the best player in the league and none of their players were ever cocky enough to promise multiple championships and a dynasty before playing a single game. The 2nd one just added more fuel to the fire.

Howard does get hated though but not to the extent of Lebron because he's not as good.
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Post#34 » by diablerouge » Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:20 pm

Mr Grant Hill wrote:All those superstar teams are bad for the league.
I can accept that those players have no pride, they're just human. But it's hard to accept a league that throws 4/5 of its teams under the bus.

yup, it was way better in the 80s and 90s where everybody had a shot, right?
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Post#35 » by diablerouge » Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:24 pm

NCHeels2008 wrote:Maybe I'm alone in this, but I think Bynum would've never became who he was, had he not been nurtured in the Lakers organization. I also think Pau raised his game to another level once he started playing with Kobe.

- Bynum's game would probably be further along if he had been the main scoring option the last few years.
- Did you watch Pau in Memphis? He was doing the same exact thing he's been doing in LA. The numbers are actually identical, down to the efficiency. The only thing that has changed are the talent level around him and the expectations (he was considered a failure as a main option but has proven to be deadly as a 2nd or 3rd).
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Post#36 » by diablerouge » Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:30 pm

I really don't get the betrayal aspect for Cleveland (unless you're talking strictly about the TV show). When a guy hits free agency, it's EVIDENT that he's considering other options. Otherwise, he would have signed the extension. Utah wasn't interested in finding out whether Deron would stay or not after declining the extension - those are the moves that GMs are paid to do.

Cleveland had LeBron for 7 years and the best player they brought in was Mo Williams (Shaq and Jamison were well past their primes when they go to Cleveland). No matter how you slice it, I have to go back to Hakeem in 94 to find a team winning a ring with such a weak 2nd option (and at least those Houston boys played hard in the playoffs). You can't tell me with a straight face that the Cleveland team LeBron left was a championship-caliber team, regardless of regular season victories.

Some fans feel better about the process when it's GMs that make all the moves instead of free agents taking control of their careers. I don't care.
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Post#37 » by HeatFanSince87 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:32 pm

diablerouge wrote:I really don't get the betrayal aspect for Cleveland (unless you're talking strictly about the TV show). When a guy hits free agency, it's EVIDENT that he's considering other options. Otherwise, he would have signed the extension. Utah wasn't interested in finding out whether Deron would stay or not after declining the extension - those are the moves that GMs are paid to do.

Cleveland had LeBron for 7 years and the best player they brought in was Mo Williams (Shaq and Jamison were well past their primes when they go to Cleveland). No matter how you slice it, I have to go back to Hakeem in 94 to find a team winning a ring with such a weak 2nd option (and at least those Houston boys played hard in the playoffs). You can't tell me with a straight face that the Cleveland team LeBron left was a championship-caliber team, regardless of regular season victories.

Some fans feel better about the process when it's GMs that make all the moves instead of free agents taking control of their careers. I don't care.



If only most people were as logical as you. Spot on post.
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Post#38 » by GeneralNbaFan » Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:35 pm

Man I would have no problems with Bosh joining Wade, or Lebron and Bosh, but if the best player and at that time top 3 player and top 15 player join eacht other, no one, who loves sport should accept that!
Im also not talking about the fact that they took less money, so that they could also sign some other good role players!
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Post#39 » by JustAwesome » Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:38 pm

I love sports, but I accepted it. What they did wasn't illegal. Rather than being upset about it, I hoped that it inspired my team to do a better job.
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Post#40 » by USA » Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:41 pm

It's a big deal because Lebron, Wade and Bosh were all in their primes and top 10 players when they teamed up. The same can't be said about the Lakers or Celtics. LOL @ including the Knicks in this.

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