Jazzfan1971's Preseason Commentary

Post #21 » by **kingofthecourt67** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:07 pm

VinBaker6 wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:Wow... that roster is brutally bad.
Would be funny if they could break their own record for futility.

I find it hilarious that they don't even have a coach. The players have no idea what kind of style they're gonna play.

Jacque Vaughn was hired July 28th last yer. Terry Stotts was hired August 7th. There is some precedent for not having a coach at this point in the offseason.

Mr. Crowley · Post #22 » by **Mr. Crowley** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:23 pm

Thad was their best player last season also, most consistent then Jrue imo.

But yeah, they will be pretty bad, mostly on offense, no outside shooters at all with Jrich being injured.

VinBaker6 · Post #23 » by **VinBaker6** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:28 pm

kingofthecourt67 wrote:
VinBaker6 wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:Wow... that roster is brutally bad.
Would be funny if they could break their own record for futility.

I find it hilarious that they don't even have a coach. The players have no idea what kind of style they're gonna play.

Jacque Vaughn was hired July 28th last yer. Terry Stotts was hired August 7th. There is some precedent for not having a coach at this point in the offseason.

That's true actually. Never mind, I am in the wrong. Carry on lol

Post #24 » by **Mr. E** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:27 am

First off, JazzFan1971 - I'm bookmarking this thread and am looking forward to your breakdown on each team.

As for this assessment of the Sixers: Welcome to the Advanced Stats Era, Philly! Sam Hinkie was Daryl Morey's #2 man here in Houston and he had a lot to do with player development and their use of the D-League. In Philly he is getting to do something that Morey was not allowed to do in Houston...bottom out.

On the surface it may seem like a bad idea to move Jrue, but I can see Hinkie thinking that he's selling him at his highest value point. Hinkie is in asset-accumulation mode. He knows the Rockets development system which explains why he snapped up Olbrecht and Anderson when he did. They are guys who won't cost much, but could be effective players with more allotted minutes on the court.

Royce White...he is still low-risk/high-reward; but Royce was not the plum in the pudding on that trade. The Rockets needed White's contract off of the books and it cost them their top overseas prospect - Furkan Aldemir - in order to make that happen. I fully expect Furkan A to be a part of Philly's plans in the next few years. Hinkie knows that guy's value.

No, the Sixers will not win a lot this season, but I think that they are on the beginning of their journey. I expect a lot of roster moves from them between now and the the start of the regular season, and then I expect them to be major players at the trade deadline. Anyone with positive value at that point will be shopped.

This will be a frustrating season for Philly fans, but look at this as a marathon, not a sprint.

MalonesElbows · Post #25 » by **MalonesElbows** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:34 am

How does that team even when 10 games? They have 0 three point threats in the starting lineup, teams will just pack it in and laugh. Turner might improve some without Jrue since he can facilitate more but not enough to save them from a possible record breaking loss season. Good luck with your 25% chance Philly.

Post #26 » by **jazzfan1971** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:52 am

Updated to add Suns

BVPN · Post #27 » by **BVPN** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:15 am

You guys think Philly wins 10-12 games? That means they would be terrible even if they had never made the trade, I mean holiday isn't worth more than 12 wins Max. I think they'll win at least 18 games.

Nondescript · Post #28 » by **Nondescript** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:39 am

I'm bumping this because I've enjoyed it so far.

amcoolio · Post #29 » by **amcoolio** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:49 am

They've amassed a ton of young guys who were drafted quite highly

Only MKG #2 and Zeller #4. Charlotte's not had a lot of high picks lately like the Kings, Wiz, Cavs, T-Wolves

lawrybeard · Post #30 » by **lawrybeard** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:53 am

This season is going to turn into The Losing Edge from South Park for the tanking teams.

Dude, we had it all wrong. While we spent all our time trying to make our team suck, these guys practised and got really good at sucking.

dcdoorknob · Post #31 » by **dcdoorknob** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:14 pm

You skipped #28.

Post #32 » by **jazzfan1971** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:46 pm

dcdoorknob wrote:You skipped #28.

Nice catch. Fixed.

Mich3006 · Post #33 » by **Mich3006** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:33 pm

JazzFan's a RealGM, no doubt!

Philly will be bad, after looking to their roster I start laughing...

Think the same about Gortat, Dragic will be traded too imo

Post #34 » by **Trader_Joe** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:00 pm

Given the West is still the deeper conference, would 25 wins in the West (Utah ) trump 27 wins in the East (Charlotte) and they should be swapped?

Jazzfan12 · Post #35 » by **Jazzfan12** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:06 pm

The Celtics are worse than the Jazz. Both teams are bad offensively, but the Jazz can defend, whereas the Celtics won't be able to do due to a complete lack of shot blockers.

The Celtics will also be starting the season with Bradley at PG followed a month of rehabbing Rondo once Rondo comes back. Their offense will be incredibly bad to start the season.

Post #36 » by **floppymoose** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:43 pm

Trader_Joe wrote:Given the West is still the deeper conference, would 25 wins in the West (Utah ) trump 27 wins in the East (Charlotte) and they should be swapped?

I think from his comments about why he put the Jazz where he did, that he is sorting by projected wins (worst to best) rather than by a more abstract ranking of team quality.

Post #37 » by **Trader_Joe** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:47 pm

floppymoose wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:Given the West is still the deeper conference, would 25 wins in the West (Utah ) trump 27 wins in the East (Charlotte) and they should be swapped?

I think from his comments about why he put the Jazz where he did, that he is sorting by projected wins (worst to best) rather than by a more abstract ranking of team quality.

Ok, I just find that a bit confusing. It almost seems separate East and West rankings would have made that more clear as a record in one conference doesn't exactly translate over the other conference.

Post #38 » by **floppymoose** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:51 pm

I guess it is a bit confusing, but it is also what will matter come draft lottery time.

It's the top teams where it will be most counter-intuitive. The second best east team might have a better record than the second best west team, but also a lesser chance of winning a ship.

Post #39 » by **jazzfan1971** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:24 pm

Jazzfan12 wrote:The Celtics are worse than the Jazz. Both teams are bad offensively, but the Jazz can defend, whereas the Celtics won't be able to do due to a complete lack of shot blockers.

The Celtics will also be starting the season with Bradley at PG followed a month of rehabbing Rondo once Rondo comes back. Their offense will be incredibly bad to start the season.

We'll see. I think a lot of folks will agree with you. But, when I look at the Celtics I see a lot of quality players, a lot of depth everywhere except for Center. And Olynyk looked pretty good in summer league. He was always touted as a guy ready to come in and contribute right away. So, I think the Celtics will be better than a lot of folks think. And a lot of Celtic fans will disagree with me as well, thinking I'll have them too high.

We will see. I don't have a computer crunching advanced stats and running hundreds of simulations to come up with these ranks, it's just straight from my colon. Take it or leave it.

I probably have at least 2 more teams to go before the Celtics.

Post #40 » by **jazzfan1971** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:25 pm

floppymoose wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:Given the West is still the deeper conference, would 25 wins in the West (Utah ) trump 27 wins in the East (Charlotte) and they should be swapped?

I think from his comments about why he put the Jazz where he did, that he is sorting by projected wins (worst to best) rather than by a more abstract ranking of team quality.

Yes. I'm predicting wins and losses not team strength.