Clutchness in elimination games..stats of Jordan, Kobe..

[GoSixersBro]

I'm very surprised that Wade has the HIGHEST FT%! He usually sucks at clutch FTs nowadays but its good to see that he steps it up when it counts.

AND Wade scored the most points in an elimination game too??

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Sorry, but I call BS on that. There are some things that you can't 'step up', and if you could, you'd do it every single game.
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How do you suddenly turn a switch and start hitting 90% of your free throws when you're a 70% ft shooter? I doubt that Wade is lazy on regular season games and doesn't care about hitting them
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It's just a statistical anomaly that people interpret as intention.
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DIrk and Nash, on the other hand, have always been great FT shooters, so their numbers are just the mean. It's just like that Shaq comment "I'll hit it when it counts'', when criticized about so many FT bricks...
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I mean, what's the difference? To me, not trying hard when it doesn't count shows he's a moron; and I doubt that you can suddenly turn into an elite FT shooter just because the pressure's on you
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Players hit clutch shots because they have that in them. You don't see bad shooters hitting awesome shots very often. It's always great shooters that hit those clutch shots - because they're ABLE TO.

I'll take the dude who's shooting FT's like a "moron" during the regular season, but making them when it counts on my team any day of the week.

[Ettorefm]

I'll take the dude who's shooting FT's like a "moron" during the regular season, but making them when it counts on my team any day of the week.

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Smh..
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Read the post again. That has nothing to do with anything.

[bledredwine]

Jordan played so few elimination games in his peak, so his numbers aren't as good as they could have been.

This times a million. MJs elimination games were primarily in the first few years in his career and at the time where teams just focused on him in the playoffs because the rest of the team sucked so badly. This is before he tailored the unstoppable fade and worked on his shot. His Fg% in the playoffs and esp finals was ridiculous during his best years especially considering ppg production and that he had more defensive attention + doubles than any player in the history of the game. Later on MJ and the Bulls were just dominating; two three-peats and no game seven. But it's nice to see the awesome all-around numbers to prove the ignorant wrong about his all-around game. Even 8 RPG at the SG position is absurd. That's a perimeter player and guard, not a big or forward doing that. 6th highest rebounding guard all-time (including inflated stats days) and 2nd all time in steals. 8)

[Kilroy]

"Elimination Game" as in, your team is facing elimination, Or your team is about to eliminate someone?
How do game 7s factor in?

It's kind of a limited stat because in the playoffs, sometimes a series hinges on like a game 2 that changes the whole momentum of the series...

And just on pure volume of playoff games played, you'd have to question the value of the stat.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/g_active_p.html

[LeBronfan986]

LeBron has a tendency to choke when it matters.

[WIN]

"Elimination Game" as in, your team is facing elimination, Or your team is about to eliminate someone?
How do game 7s factor in?

It's kind of a limited stat because in the playoffs, sometimes a series hinges on like a game 2 that changes the whole momentum of the series...

And just on pure volume of playoff games played, you'd have to question the value of the stat.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/g_active_p.html

Was about to ask the same thing. Elimination game should mean both, pretty sure this is only in instances when your team is facing elimination.

[Showtime:Part2]

where the fck is my man shaq diesel?

[ItsDaBrush]

Tim Duncan is a choker

[ComboGuardCity]

TS% would be a better measure.

[MaxRider]

no Hakeem?

[HeatRing2012]

Nowitzki by a hair. Then Lebron / Jordan. Wade is by far the most surprising.

agree

those Nowitzki numbers ... sick O_o

[aroba]

LOL Jordan 2 elimination games vs Mid 80's Celtics, 4 vs Peak bad boys Pistons

Way HARDER competition

[An Unbiased Fan]

Swing games are way more clutch than elimination games.

Swing > Closeout > Elimination

A guy who drops big games to steal HCA, or put a team up 3-0/3-1 is having more of an impact than a guy who puts up big numbers when most series are pretty much already decided.

[Rasho_libre]

Swing games are way more clutch than elimination games.

Swing > Closeout > Elimination

A guy who drops big games to steal HCA, or put a team up 3-0/3-1 is having more of an impact than a guy who puts up big numbers when most series are pretty much already decided.

No it's not dont Kidd yourself, even in swing games you'll be surprised at the stats. The one thing I learned from this and everything else s there is simply not a stat out there that is nice to Kobe.

[tonyreyes123]

Jordan, LeBron and Dirk clearly stand out

[NBA4EVA2010]

the one thing I learned from this and everything else s there is simply not a stat out there that is nice to Kobe.

[NBA4EVA2010]

"Elimination Game" as in, your team is facing elimination, Or your team is about to eliminate someone?
How do game 7s factor in?

It's kind of a limited stat because in the playoffs, sometimes a series hinges on like a game 2 that changes the whole momentum of the series...

And just on pure volume of playoff games played, you'd have to question the value of the stat.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/g_active_p.html

Was about to ask the same thing. Elimination game should mean both, pretty sure this is only in instances when your team is facing elimination.

m,,

[An Unbiased Fan]

Swing games are way more clutch than elimination games.

Swing > Closeout > Elimination

A guy who drops big games to steal HCA, or put a team up 3-0/3-1 is having more of an impact than a guy who puts up big numbers when most series are pretty much already decided.

No it's not dont Kidd yourself, even in swing games you'll be surprised at the stats. The one thing I learned from this and everything else s there is simply not a stat out there that is nice to Kobe.

What importance do elimination games have over closeout or swing games? Serious question. Do MJ's game 6 closeout performances not have the same weight as....Lebron's g4 in 2007 against the Spurs?

What about Magic'a game 6 closeout game in 1980? Guys who actually have success in the playoffs are penalized because their closeout performances are overlooked. What about Lebron's game 6 swing game in 2012?

[aboogie]

Swing games are way more clutch than elimination games.

Swing > Closeout > Elimination

A guy who drops big games to steal HCA, or put a team up 3-0/3-1 is having more of an impact than a guy who puts up big numbers when most series are pretty much already decided.

No it's not dont Kidd yourself, even in swing games you'll be surprised at the stats. The one thing I learned from this and everything else s there is simply not a stat out there that is nice to Kobe.

What importance do elimination games have over closeout or swing games? Serious question. Do MJ's game 6 closeout performances not have the same weight as....Lebron's g4 in 2007 against the Spurs?

What about Magic'a game 6 closeout game in 1980? Guys who actually have success in the playoffs are penalized because their closeout performances are overlooked. What about Lebron's game 6 swing game in 2012?

his game 6 in 2012 was elimination game as well

[An Unbiased Fan]

No it's not dont Kidd yourself, even in swing games you'll be surprised at the stats. The one thing I learned from this and everything else s there is simply not a stat out there that is nice to Kobe.

What importance do elimination games have over closeout or swing games? Serious question. Do MJ's game 6 closeout performances not have the same weight as....Lebron's g4 in 2007 against the Spurs?

What about Magic'a game 6 closeout game in 1980? Guys who actually have success in the playoffs are penalized because their closeout performances are overlooked. What about Lebron's game 6 swing game in 2012?

his game 6 in 2012 was elimination game as well

There is some overlap with all 3 types, but game 6 was important because it was a career defining swing game. Game 4 against the 2007 Spurs had way less pressure, and differing circumstances.