Nene calling out Wall & Beal? 'They think they're so smart'

[boateng]

This is why so many teams end up sucking for years

Why would you give john wall $80m max contract.....when at this moment he isn't a max player....

Previous young players that got max were westbrook/rose/durant/harden but john wall isn't on that leveL He isn't even an all star and his team don't look like making the playoffs anytime soon.

Steph Curry and Rondo got less than max and john wall isn't better than any of them.

Good luck washington with john wall as your franchise player lol

[DetroitSho]

I thought it was common knowledge that basketball IQ was in short supply there in Washington, particularly among their young players. They've gotten rid of some of the boneheads over time (Javale Mcgee, Nick Young, Jordan Crawford), but there's still a few that don't truly know how to play basketball properly (Wall, Jan Vesely, etc.).

Jan actually has a good bball iq. His problem is he has absolutely zero basketball skills, and he's not strong or physical enough to be at least a garbage man off the bench. The only thing he does well is run the floor.

If you wanna talk about low iq players on the Wizards, it starts and ends with Kevin Seraphin. He was single handedly responsible for giving up a 7 point play to Dallas a couple days ago. You read it right, a 7 point play.

nene is right. those two glorified role players should be more mature and play to win

especially wall. guy is such a bust

He's not a bust. He's been disappointing though. I really thought he had turned the corner after watching what he did last season. I thought he was gonna kill it this year, but his jumper is still broken, and it holds back his whole game.

Lololol dude can you please give me the breakdown of this 7 point play? I'm still wondering how the hell...

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[Illmatic21]

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Score is 29-23 Wizards:

Kevin Seraphin shooting foul (Jae Crowder draws the foul) 29-25
Jae Crowder misses free throw 1 of 1
DeJuan Blair offensive rebound
DeJuan Blair makes 5-foot two point shot (Jae Crowder assists) 29-27
Kevin Seraphin shooting foul (DeJuan Blair draws the foul)
DeJuan Blair misses free throw 1 of 1
Vince Carter offensive rebound
29-30 Vince Carter makes 24-foot three point jumper (Gal Mekel assists)


Basically Seraphin allowed an and1, then the offensive rebound on the missed FT, then ANOTHER and1 on the putback, then ANOTHER offensive rebound which they kicked out for a three. He was benched for the game immediately following the sequence, finishing with a -7 in 2min of play. Comedy.

[Jimmy Recard]

Lololol dude can you please give me the breakdown of this 7 point play? I'm still wondering how the hell...

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I should clarify, it wasn't technically a 7 point play, rather a 7 point possession by the Mavs. Still embarrassing nonetheless.

Basically what happened, Seraphin gave up an and1 to i think Crowder, who missed the free throw. He failed to block out Blair, who rebounded and put it back up and in, again fouled by Seraphin. Blair missed the free throw and again, seraphin failed to secure the rebound off the free throw, only to have it tipped out to Carter who knocked down a 3 from the left wing. For his brief stint he was a -7 and was benched soon after and has been in the doghouse ever since.

If you wann laugh, it happens with about a minute or two left in the first quarter.

Edit: Ahh illmatic beat me to it

[DetroitSho]

Lololol dude can you please give me the breakdown of this 7 point play? I'm still wondering how the hell...

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I should clarify, it wasn't technically a 7 point play, rather a 7 point possession by the Mavs. Still embarrassing nonetheless.

Basically what happened, Seraphin gave up an and1 to i think Crowder, who missed the free throw. He failed to block out Blair, who rebounded and put it back up and in, again fouled by Seraphin. Blair missed the free throw and again, seraphin failed to secure the rebound off the free throw, only to have it tipped out to Carter who knocked down a 3 from the left wing. For his brief stint he was a -7 and was benched soon after and has been in the doghouse ever since.

If you wann laugh, it happens with about a minute or two left in the first quarter.

Edit: Ahh illmatic beat me to it

Lol freaking hilarious

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[B-easy]

Wall is the most inconsistent player in the league, his highs are Peak lebron-esque his low's are eric maynor-esque.

[Johnlac1]

Washington is like a lot of bad teams in the NBA. On a given night their talent is such that they can look like world beaters. But like all bad teams, many of their players are out for themselves. Not that they wouldn't like to win, but getting those stats means a lot more to them. One player with a poor attitude can ruin a team. Plus, the Wizards have a number of players with very low bb IQ. Popovich doesn't tolerate selfish ball or boneheads. Apparently, Wittman does.

[nate33]

I really don't know what Nene is talking about here. As others in this thread have pointed out, the Wizards' problem isn't offense, it's defense. And if it is offense, the problem certainly isn't Wall and Beal - well at least not Beal. In the past 5 games, Beal has been fabulous in two of them (scoring 29 and 34), solid against San Antonio (19 points on 9 of 19 shooting, which was the 2nd most points and the 2nd best shooting percentage on the team), and shot poorly on his other two outings. On those two poor-shooting nights (7/20 and 2/10 from the floor), he posted 8 and 7 assists respectively despite not having the ball all that much.

Wall has definitely had a rough start this season, but his assists are up and his turnovers are down from last year, so he's on the right track. Wall's main problem is that he's taking far fewer shots from in the lane. He doesn't seem to want to penetrate as much.

And the low bball IQ meme about the Wizards isn't true anymore. Wall, Beal, Nene and Gortat all have good bball IQ. Webster and Ariza are at least reasonably unselfish, albeit, they're not great decision makers with the ball. The problem is the bench. It's awful, both talentwise and in bball IQ. Nobody else on the roster would get minutes on a winning team with the possible exception of Booker.

[Bandwagon1]

Team is destined for failure if John Wall falls in love with a jumper he doesn't have.

[DwayneSchintzus]

how are the spurs not as talented as the wizards?

what talents are we talking about? can all the wizards juggle or do magic tricks or something?

[Darko Miliminutes]

Wall has some serious growing up to do. Wiz are my newest pet team. I've watched all games this year. Every word that Nene just said made me think of Wall...beal not so much. Beal's obviously got inexperience issues too, but these statements just scream; John Wall.

[cold_cowboy]

this could either end up with wall and beal using a bit of self-reflection and accepting the fact that what nene is talking about is absolutely true, or they will not accept the fact that they're not as hot **** as they see themselves and will keep being oblivious to their faults.

which one is more likely?

[Roscoe Sheed]

Nene is on the money but i dont know what calling out your franchise players like that will do. It should have remained in the locker rooms.

He probably wants to be traded. It would be great to have him on the CLippers, but there aren't any assets that the Clips have that the Wiz would want (in terms of players that would be on the table). I was thinking about Jordan for Nene before the season started, but I wouldn't do that trade any more because Jordan looks improved and is much younger than Nene

[20MexicanosIn1Van]

It's Spurs ball, it's Pop ball. Young players might care about their stats, sure. But this is about coaching, about different approaches to play the game. I think even when you are veteran in this league and have pretty much seen it all and then you go to San Antonio - it will be an eye-opening experience. They just play it smarter and more simple, more efficient, more logical than anybody else.
What is Wall supposed to do? It's not his job to create a basketball system.

Well said. The Spurs are simply more than the some of their parts.

[litex]

You know what else the Spurs do? Keep disputes like this in the locker room, settled quietly between the players and coaches without involving the media. Nene makes a reasonable point, but completely undermines it by doing it in this way.

[mg]

Teams like the Wiz, Cavs, Pistons are learning that you just can't flip a switch and go from a tanking team to a playoff team overnight. It's a process..the young kids on those rosters don't have any idea how to win yet. Vets like Nene are going to get frustrated. The EC is so horrible that 1-2 of those teams will turn it around by the end of the season and make the playoffs.

[Wizenheimer]

how are the spurs not as talented as the wizards?

what talents are we talking about? can all the wizards juggle or do magic tricks or something?

rodeo

[FAH1223]

He's probably also calling out Vesley, Seraphin (who seems to think he knows it all), and Booker.

[Damon_3388]

You know what else the Spurs do? Keep disputes like this in the locker room, settled quietly between the players and coaches without involving the media. Nene makes a reasonable point, but completely undermines it by doing it in this way.

Probably thinks putting them on blast publicly is the only way to prick their pride and truly get through to them.

[miltk]

funny how loser teams are loaded with losers from top to bottom. like an inescapable vortex. it's like they're enabling each other - like they've honed the losing culture to a fine art.

ironically, they all seem to deserve each other.