2013-14 MVP Discussion Thread Pt II

[datstockton]

Durant is the leader at this point, but I fully expect Bron to make a second half push to take it.

[barborous]

Aldridge is overrated. His TS% is .514 - that's bad for a guard, much less a PF.
Just look at the other guys he gets compared to:
Kevin Love : .595
Blake Griffin : .574
Dirk Nowitzki : .601
Chris Bosh: .601

He takes primarily long two's, no 3's, and a few FT's only. So his TS is gonna be low. But his consistency and the fact that he's the star of one of the top teams will put him in conversation

And that's his fault that he doesn't have the range to shoot 3's or the knack for drawing fouls. You say it like it's an excuse that somehow justifies his TS being subpar.

[BayInferno]

Aldridge is overrated. His TS% is .514 - that's bad for a guard, much less a PF.
Just look at the other guys he gets compared to:
Kevin Love : .595
Blake Griffin : .574
Dirk Nowitzki : .601
Chris Bosh: .601

He takes primarily long two's, no 3's, and a few FT's only. So his TS is gonna be low. But his consistency and the fact that he's the star of one of the top teams will put him in conversation

And that's his fault that he doesn't have the range to shoot 3's or the knack for drawing fouls. You say it like it's an excuse that somehow justifies his TS being subpar.

Never said I'm justifying it. Just that his consistent play, low amount of turnovers, and ability to draw double teams make up for it a little.

[TheRobin]

I don't see why Aldridge is getting all the hype when Lillard is hitting all the gamewinners and shots in overtime. Lillard leads the team in Winshares and Offensive winshares. Has a lower usage %. All while having a 58 TS%.

Lilllard is Portlands MVP.

[Colbinii]

Aldridge is overrated. His TS% is .514 - that's bad for a guard, much less a PF.
Just look at the other guys he gets compared to:
Kevin Love : .595
Blake Griffin : .574
Dirk Nowitzki : .601
Chris Bosh: .601

Lol @boxscore stats. Aldridge makes offense much better than all those guys, maybe except Dirk who is rich man's Aldridge. And that's what count, not the efficiency (which is one of the way of making the offense better).

That just isn't true. Do you have any stats regarding this that backs up your Statements??

Love has been a much better passer than Aldridge this season, averaging 4.2 compared to Aldridge's 2.9.
Love also gets to the line much more, getting his team into the bonus and getting his opponents into foul trouble is a GREAT way to help your team.
Love can stretch the floor in a way that Aldridge can't, resulting in more lanes for passes/cuts and allowing Pekovic to go HAM on his defender in the post with no help defense.
Love is averaging 3.7 ORB compared to Alridge's 2.4 per game.

So please, if you would inform me on how you think Aldridge makes a team "much better" compared to Love I would LOVE to see it

[BayInferno]

I don't see why Aldridge is getting all the hype when Lillard is hitting all the gamewinners and shots in overtime. Lillard leads the team in Winshares and Offensive winshares. Has a lower usage %. All while having a 58 TS%.

Lilllard is Portlands MVP.

Lillard's more inconsistent would be my guess. But he has hit most of the big shots.

[Laazard]

Aldridge is overrated. His TS% is .514 - that's bad for a guard, much less a PF.
Just look at the other guys he gets compared to:
Kevin Love : .595
Blake Griffin : .574
Dirk Nowitzki : .601
Chris Bosh: .601

Lol @boxscore stats. Aldridge makes offense much better than all those guys, maybe except Dirk who is rich man's Aldridge. And that's what count, not the efficiency (which is one of the way of making the offense better).

That just isn't true. Do you have any stats regarding this that backs up your Statements??

Love has been a much better passer than Aldridge this season, averaging 4.2 compared to Aldridge's 2.9.
Love also gets to the line much more, getting his team into the bonus and getting his opponents into foul trouble is a GREAT way to help your team.
Love can stretch the floor in a way that Aldridge can't, resulting in more lanes for passes/cuts and allowing Pekovic to go HAM on his defender in the post with no help defense.
Love is averaging 3.7 ORB compared to Alridge's 2.4 per game.

So please, if you would inform me on how you think Aldridge makes a team "much better" compared to Love I would LOVE to see it

RAPM for example, stat that is much better than any box score stat.

But it's not important. You see, Aldridge is the centre of the Portland offense, the best offense in the league. Ale the passes goes through him, all the shoother run behind his screens and in many siuations he is the one who gets the ball when the shot clock is running down or the set ofeense didn't bring anything - that's why his %'s are not so good.

Secondy, it is proven that, and every analytic will tell you that it is better not to rebound for a big man on the offense. It's really better to have a big man as a first guy on defense. It's just better for your team. That's why Aldridge and Bosh/Dirk are so valuable. And that's why Love has monster stats but less impact.

[Klomp]

Kevin Love's last 10 games: 30.8 ppg on 50% shooting along with 14.1 rpg and 4.4 apg

5-5 record.

I like Love, but he isn't in the discussion, even with the god like stats.

A .500 record 30 games in doesn't mean that's what it will be at the end of the year. Denver was one game ahead of where Minnesota is through 30 games last season and finished with 57 wins.

Kevin Love's numbers are nearly identical to his 2011-12 season when he finished 6th in MVP voting on a 26-win team (extrapolated to 32 wins in a full season), except he's doubled his assists and is doing all of it in 2 fewer minutes per game on better shooting percentages.

To not put him in the discussion is a bit premature I'd say.

[King_John]

Kevin Love's last 10 games: 30.8 ppg on 50% shooting along with 14.1 rpg and 4.4 apg

5-5 record.

I like Love, but he isn't in the discussion, even with the god like stats.

A .500 record 30 games in doesn't mean that's what it will be at the end of the year. Denver was one game ahead of where Minnesota is through 30 games last season and finished with 57 wins.

Kevin Love's numbers are nearly identical to his 2011-12 season when he finished 6th in MVP voting on a 26-win team (extrapolated to 32 wins in a full season), except he's doubled his assists and is doing all of it in 2 fewer minutes per game on better shooting percentages.

To not put him in the discussion is a bit premature I'd say.

That may be true. But do you really believe Minnesota will have as good as run as the Nuggets last year? Really don t think so. The Nuggets team last year was really deep and more talented.

[Klomp]

That may be true. But do you really believe Minnesota will have as good as run as the Nuggets last year? Really don t think so. The Nuggets team last year was really deep and more talented.

No I don't, but that wasn't my point. My point was that teams can get better over the course of the season, especially when we've had one of the toughest schedules in the NBA so far.

But at the same time, Denver also didn't have any one player as good as Kevin Love either.

[Hambone93]

Lol @boxscore stats. Aldridge makes offense much better than all those guys, maybe except Dirk who is rich man's Aldridge. And that's what count, not the efficiency (which is one of the way of making the offense better).

That just isn't true. Do you have any stats regarding this that backs up your Statements??

Love has been a much better passer than Aldridge this season, averaging 4.2 compared to Aldridge's 2.9.
Love also gets to the line much more, getting his team into the bonus and getting his opponents into foul trouble is a GREAT way to help your team.
Love can stretch the floor in a way that Aldridge can't, resulting in more lanes for passes/cuts and allowing Pekovic to go HAM on his defender in the post with no help defense.
Love is averaging 3.7 ORB compared to Alridge's 2.4 per game.

So please, if you would inform me on how you think Aldridge makes a team "much better" compared to Love I would LOVE to see it

RAPM for example, stat that is much better than any box score stat.

But it's not important. You see, Aldridge is the centre of the Portland offense, the best offense in the league. Ale the passes goes through him, all the shoother run behind his screens and in many siuations he is the one who gets the ball when the shot clock is running down or the set ofeense didn't bring anything - that's why his %'s are not so good.

Secondy, it is proven that, and every analytic will tell you that it is better not to rebound for a big man on the offense. It's really better to have a big man as a first guy on defense. It's just better for your team. That's why Aldridge and Bosh/Dirk are so valuable. And that's why Love has monster stats but less impact.

Where would you find RAPM for this season. I'm honestly curious.

Adn to offensive rebound vs to not offensive rebound is far from clear cut. if anything it favors offensive rebounding from what I'v seen.

http://wagesofwins.com/2012/10/10/is-th ... -rebounds/
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-trian ... on-defense
http://people.csail.mit.edu/balakg/To%2 ... %20NBA.pdf

[kingkirk]

A .500 record 30 games in doesn't mean that's what it will be at the end of the year. Denver was one game ahead of where Minnesota is through 30 games last season and finished with 57 wins.

Kevin Love's numbers are nearly identical to his 2011-12 season when he finished 6th in MVP voting on a 26-win team (extrapolated to 32 wins in a full season), except he's doubled his assists and is doing all of it in 2 fewer minutes per game on better shooting percentages.

To not put him in the discussion is a bit premature I'd say.

Sure, he is in the discussion for a top 5-6 placing, but when i say he is not in the discussion, i mean winning the award.

Love has no chance at winning the MVP this season, and frankly, only 2 guys do.

[Klomp]

Love has no chance at winning the MVP this season, and frankly, only 2 guys do.

OK, that's fair

[BayInferno]

A .500 record 30 games in doesn't mean that's what it will be at the end of the year. Denver was one game ahead of where Minnesota is through 30 games last season and finished with 57 wins.

Kevin Love's numbers are nearly identical to his 2011-12 season when he finished 6th in MVP voting on a 26-win team (extrapolated to 32 wins in a full season), except he's doubled his assists and is doing all of it in 2 fewer minutes per game on better shooting percentages.

To not put him in the discussion is a bit premature I'd say.

Sure, he is in the discussion for a top 5-6 placing, but when i say he is not in the discussion, i mean winning the award.

Love has no chance at winning the MVP this season, and frankly, only 2 guys do.

I'd say CP3 is up there with them, and PG is a little behind.

[kingkirk]

I'd say CP3 is up there with them, and PG is a little behind.

Sure. CP3, PG & Love will figure in the MVP results, and probably in that order, but these guys will not win it, for a variety of reasons.

If KD and OKC keep winning without Westbrook, he will win.

If the above doesn't, and Miami keep winning and Lebron stays at his natural freak level, he will win.

As the season goes on and the contenders separate themselves from the quality teams, KD & Lebron will emerge as the only true candidates for the MVP, and rightfully so.

[JulesWinnfield]

Awesome first half tonight by Durant to put a stamp on his amazing month of December, mindblowing efficiency. I think this is shaping up to be the best non-Lebron regular season in a decade. He is playing on a ridiculous level right now. This is top 10 all time WS/48 territory and the sample is over 30 games

Not only holding it down without Westbrook, but actually gaining ground on competition in a stacked West. Only enhances the narrative of his season (though we are still early in the non Westbrook sample of the season). I'm a big Lebron fan, and I think even with his various dings and scaled back minutes, his season compares favorably with Durant's statistically at least. But I can't ignore that Durant is doing this with a lesser cast in a much tougher conference and is leading his team to a near 70 win pace (not that i expect this to be sustained, they'll probably win low 60s) It is a two man race just as we'd expect.

[CablexDeadpool]

I think they should just make it co-MVP and give it to Lebron and Durant.

Lebron isn't really outdoing KD and KD really isn't outdoing Lebron statistically.

Lebron is more efficient and more productive than KD but it's not by a lot.

The records are almost the same, will probably be in the same ball park, might as well give it to both of them and call it a day.

[primecougar]

Who cares about lamarcus aldriges ts%. He doesn't take any threes but he shoots at around 48% from the field and 80% from the line. I would say he's pretty efficient. He's the 1st option on one of the best teams in the league. His ability to hit the long 2 at a ridiculous % is essential for their offense. Lamarcus is a legit post up player where you can run an offense thru him. I can't say the same about Kevin love.

1) Kevin durant: just insane

2)lbj: great but his numbers are down and his impact is not te same as last year
3)cp3:
4)Paul George good offense, great d
5) lamarcus

[Sorkoram]

We shall see what happens after All-Star break.

[barborous]

Despite still having a monster night statistically, KD was absent late and showing fatigue in the second half tonight. Not sure if his conditioning is good enough to keep this pace up with how much offensive load he has to carry now. Shades of last year's Memphis series, when he eventually fizzled out from exhaustion.