I don't get the LeBron hype...

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Re: I don't get the LeBron hype... 

Post#21 » by disenfranchised » Sat Jun 7, 2014 7:54 pm

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Bo Outlaw wrote:Jordan was a much more skilled player obviously. James relies much more on his strength and athleticism. He's a terribly boring player half the time.


I agree that he's far less exciting to watch than Jordan, but he's just as effective if not more.


Oh my gosh. See what i'm saying?

6/6. About to be 2/5.

He is nowhere near as effective as Jordan, especially when the lights are the brightest. Please go check his finals numbers and compare them to some of the all time greats. I'm not even talking MJ, that is just unfair.
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Re: I don't get the LeBron hype... 

Post#22 » by KingDavid » Sat Jun 7, 2014 7:54 pm

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MMyhre wrote:What? Go watch the 62 pt game for a prime example of how good this guy can be at just shooting the ball, fadeaways post jumpers, long fadeaway 20 foot jumpers and heck even sideways fadeaway three pointers that VERY few in the world can hit.., The guy can pass perfectly out of a double team, perfectly out of a pick and roll, defend 1-5 with a few expections... he has an absurd body control that lets him finish through contact, hits floaters, different layup variations + advanced finishing.. great handles for his size.. there is more to LeBron James than his physique, that's why he is entering top 5 all time discussions this early in his career. Come on bro, hater goggles off.


There are tons of players that can get hot and drop a lot of points. Brewer and Ross dropped 50+ just this past season.

We all know Bron can't consistently make outside shots and if he does, it's because no one is even remotely close to him due to the rule changes and his weakness.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

This is downright comical! So because he only tries to take good, open shots, it's because of rule changes and not because forcing a three over a defender in his face isn't a good idea when there are better 3pt shooters around him?

Please continue!
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Re: I don't get the LeBron hype... 

Post#23 » by KingDavid » Sat Jun 7, 2014 8:00 pm

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taufblazers33 wrote:give LeBron a break.


Why does he need a break? People are claiming he is better than Bird, Hakeem, Magic, Kobe, etc. He, himself, claims to be a top 4 player of all time.

It simply isn't true.

Who cares what other people think? If they feel that way about him, then so be it. You don't have to. You're no one important so you're not changing anyone's opinions. That's the only fact in this thread.
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Re: I don't get the LeBron hype... 

Post#24 » by Bo Outlaw » Sat Jun 7, 2014 8:02 pm

he's a great nba player just ever since he came to Miami he has been very boring. spurs are actually more exciting to watch for me
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Re: I don't get the LeBron hype... 

Post#25 » by Thugger HBC » Sat Jun 7, 2014 8:03 pm

disenfranchised wrote:Yes, Bron is a physical specimen the game has never seen before. The combination of speed, strength, and agility is absolutely jaw dropping at times. However, I don't see all the other tools needed to be a top 10 all time player. The skill level, IMO, is extremely lacking. The NBA has basically made guarding perimeter players nearly impossible, especially Bron. Bron is literally allowed to run through defenders and somehow get the foul call to go his way. The only reason he shoots a good percentage from 3 these days is because defenders literally give him 5 feet of wide open space due to the rule changes. His post game has been a weakness since he entered the league, simply because he's literally an athlete playing basketball and doesn't possess a ton of basketball skill, but I will admit he has improved in that area.


You apparently are not aware LeBron does NOT get the favorable whistle. he gets whacked alot without getting the foul.

Leaving a player wide open doesnt improve their %'s, they still have to make the shot.

A guy who is well over 260 at 6-8 who plays the game like a pg and has the numbers to boot certainly is top 10 worthy.

disenfranchised wrote:The numbers with Bron are greatly skewed because he protects his percentages. He literally will stop shooting if he thinks it will hurt his percentages. I have seen him countless times literally run from the ball when the quarter is about to end or the shot clock is winding down. Even when the clock isn't running down, he will defer to the point of hurting his team because he is so afraid to see his percentages drop. He pads his stats against weaker opponents and plays heavy minutes in games that are already decided. The sad thing is, the masses don't see it and they claim he is a GOAT candidate because all they see are the numbers. The numbers are lies, especially in Bron's case. Alpha players are in the flow of the game and they keep shooting, regardless of how bad it may make them look.


How are his numbers skewed because he takes more intelligent shots? And what games are these thats he's playing extra minutes to bloat his numbers against weak opponents? technically everyone is weaker opponent, he is the best player afterall.

leBron is one of the few top that dont mind sitting during a blow out or against a subpar team.

disenfranchised wrote:IMO, Bron can never enter my top 10. The 2011 finals sealed the deal for me. He has ran from the moment too many times in his career to be considered an alpha male. He colluded to chase titles in his prime. The precedent he set with the collusion completely and utterly tarnished his legacy. You don't form a super team in your prime if you want to be a GOAT. He had help, but people diminish his help to serve their agenda. Players like Danny Green and Shannon Brown were meaningless in Cleveland, yet they somehow helped LA win back to back titles and helped SA make two straight finals. (Green could've won FMVP last year) Bron once again, last year in game 6, almost blew a finals series in the last minutes. It took a Ray Allen 3 to save what was left of his legacy. Miami is the most stacked team in NBA history, relative to each era and the talent level of each era, IMO.

He is not what he is portrayed and is not top 10 material, IMO.

All of the inside part sound great, but what matters is the win.

Not sure where this "running" is coming from.

Didnt he wound up with a triple double in that OT game 6? I know he played 50 minutes.

Then there's game 7 .....45 mins 12-23.....5-10 from three.....perfect from the line....37 points 12 rebounds.

Now I do agree Miami should be favored every year, and they certainly have been there every year, winning the last couple.
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Re: I don't get the LeBron hype... 

Post#26 » by XtotheDeezy » Sat Jun 7, 2014 8:07 pm

Who is in your Top 10? Just curious.
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Re: I don't get the LeBron hype... 

Post#27 » by porcerel » Sat Jun 7, 2014 8:18 pm

Your parents should really take your keyboard away from you.
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Re: I don't get the LeBron hype... 

Post#28 » by EtchenBa » Sat Jun 7, 2014 8:19 pm

Poe's law? I seriously can't tell.
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Re: I don't get the LeBron hype... 

Post#29 » by Murk » Sat Jun 7, 2014 8:21 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:A guy who is well over 260 at 6-8 who plays the game like a pg and has the numbers to boot certainly is top 10 worthy.


I have nothing to say about the rest of this thread, but can we chill with this please?

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Lebron isn't Master Chief. He seems to be anywhere from 250-300 lbs of pure muscle with Adrian Peterson's speed, depending on who you talk to (mostly Charles Barkley).
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Re: I don't get the LeBron hype... 

Post#30 » by E-Balla » Sat Jun 7, 2014 8:31 pm

Murk wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:A guy who is well over 260 at 6-8 who plays the game like a pg and has the numbers to boot certainly is top 10 worthy.


I have nothing to say about the rest of this thread, but can we chill with this please?

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Lebron isn't Master Chief. He seems to be anywhere from 250-300 lbs of pure muscle with Adrian Peterson's speed, depending on who you talk to (mostly Charles Barkley).

They don't update those. Melo is listed at 230 and has been since he was a rookie even though he says he's 240 (and has played at 250 before). Wade is listed at 220 but he says he's 230-235. Kobe is listed at 205 but was playing at 225-230 according to both him and the Lakers for years. Shaw was routinely listed at 325 from his Lakers days when he was that size to his last season where he had to be 350-360.
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Re: I don't get the LeBron hype... 

Post#31 » by codigoman » Sat Jun 7, 2014 8:34 pm

Mix haters, stans, all time top 10 list, active players... painfull wasted time.
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Re: I don't get the LeBron hype... 

Post#32 » by BaffLer » Sat Jun 7, 2014 8:35 pm

Murk wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:A guy who is well over 260 at 6-8 who plays the game like a pg and has the numbers to boot certainly is top 10 worthy.


I have nothing to say about the rest of this thread, but can we chill with this please?

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Lebron isn't Master Chief. He seems to be anywhere from 250-300 lbs of pure muscle with Adrian Peterson's speed, depending on who you talk to (mostly Charles Barkley).

In our game threads a lot of us like to point out how commentators and analysts always mix-up LeBron's weight and height. First he's 6'9" 260. Then he's 6'8" 270 or 6'8" 265. I've always assumed we've all come to the conclusion that LeBron is 6'8" 250. :lol:

But I would have to agree with GC Pantalones, they probably never bothered to update them and just left it as is.
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Re: I don't get the LeBron hype... 

Post#33 » by Sign5 » Sat Jun 7, 2014 8:37 pm

Op's agenda: Bulls fan who is threatened by Lebron's ceiling and potential to be the GOAT.
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Re: I don't get the LeBron hype... 

Post#34 » by Golden Angel » Sat Jun 7, 2014 8:39 pm

disenfranchised wrote:Yes, Bron is a physical specimen the game has never seen before. The combination of speed, strength, and agility is absolutely jaw dropping at times. However, I don't see all the other tools needed to be a top 10 all time player. The skill level, IMO, is extremely lacking. The NBA has basically made guarding perimeter players nearly impossible, especially Bron. Bron is literally allowed to run through defenders and somehow get the foul call to go his way. The only reason he shoots a good percentage from 3 these days is because defenders literally give him 5 feet of wide open space due to the rule changes. His post game has been a weakness since he entered the league, simply because he's literally an athlete playing basketball and doesn't possess a ton of basketball skill, but I will admit he has improved in that area.

The numbers with Bron are greatly skewed because he protects his percentages. He literally will stop shooting if he thinks it will hurt his percentages. I have seen him countless times literally run from the ball when the quarter is about to end or the shot clock is winding down. Even when the clock isn't running down, he will defer to the point of hurting his team because he is so afraid to see his percentages drop. He pads his stats against weaker opponents and plays heavy minutes in games that are already decided. The sad thing is, the masses don't see it and they claim he is a GOAT candidate because all they see are the numbers. The numbers are lies, especially in Bron's case. Alpha players are in the flow of the game and they keep shooting, regardless of how bad it may make them look.

IMO, Bron can never enter my top 10. The 2011 finals sealed the deal for me. He has ran from the moment too many times in his career to be considered an alpha male. He colluded to chase titles in his prime. The precedent he set with the collusion completely and utterly tarnished his legacy. You don't form a super team in your prime if you want to be a GOAT. He had help, but people diminish his help to serve their agenda. Players like Danny Green and Shannon Brown were meaningless in Cleveland, yet they somehow helped LA win back to back titles and helped SA make two straight finals. (Green could've won FMVP last year) Bron once again, last year in game 6, almost blew a finals series in the last minutes. It took a Ray Allen 3 to save what was left of his legacy. Miami is the most stacked team in NBA history, relative to each era and the talent level of each era, IMO.

He is not what he is portrayed and is not top 10 material, IMO.

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Re: I don't get the LeBron hype... 

Post#35 » by NetsWorld » Sat Jun 7, 2014 8:39 pm

LeBron's the best player in the NBA; what's going to be interesting is the latter stages of his career. At 29, soon to be 30, how much longer before his body starts to really wear down from his athleticism and aggressiveness both offensively and defensively? LeBron admittedly stated throughout the course of this year he is getting tired and exhausted. Game 1, with just 32 minutes, already proved that. But whether people like it or not, he really as nothing left to prove and will go down at minimum a top 10 player of all time, if not top 5. His speed will decrease as he will start to wear down when he hits his mid 30s. This upcoming contract, he will be 30,31,32 depending which season he decides to opt out. By 33-34, don't expect to see the same LeBron you see now.

Why mention this? Because players like Michael and Kobe were able to sustain their level of play due to less reliance on athleticism and aggressiveness. LeBron's quote says it all, "My body failed me". This is in reference to his cramps but his muscles stiffening up like that is not a good sign.
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Re: I don't get the LeBron hype... 

Post#36 » by AlexDelta » Sat Jun 7, 2014 8:41 pm

Just wondering OP have you ever seen him play more than just 5 or 6 games.
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Re: I don't get the LeBron hype... 

Post#37 » by Hero » Sat Jun 7, 2014 8:41 pm

He can never enter your top 10?

What in the world.
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Re: I don't get the LeBron hype... 

Post#38 » by Winsome Gerbil » Sat Jun 7, 2014 8:43 pm

I would imagine the little Bulls logo popping up next to the OPs name could not possibly have any bearing on this topic, right?
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Re: I don't get the LeBron hype... 

Post#39 » by imraged » Sat Jun 7, 2014 8:49 pm

I'm amazed that people actually think this way. Like if I actually met someone like this IRL I wouldn't even know how to respond.

You're trolling right? Your post reeks of someone who only watches highlights and has zero understanding of the game.

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Re: I don't get the LeBron hype... 

Post#40 » by ThirdMan » Sat Jun 7, 2014 8:56 pm

If Lebron wanted gaudy numbers he would have stayed in Cleveland. The guy is a nearly unstoppable player. The reason why he gets all the hate is because there is no real number two in the league. He's far and away the best and sometimes that creates a pretty boring storyline.
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