Gordon Hayward- what will the best offers be?

[Luigi]

Utah will be able to afford Hayward and Burks just fine. If you can find us a free agent we can spend our money on, please let us know.

Until then, its better to risk spending money on these guys than losing year after year, with cap space, and hoping one day, maybe a star player will decide to come to Utah.

Nah, you don't wanna get caught in bad contracts.

A team like the Jazz has to find their talent in the draft, or steal it in clever free agent moves (Boozer, Okur). You wanna stay flexible until you find the guys that are worth the max. Once you find max guys, you hold onto them. You extend them, or you match their deals, and build around them. If we are paying a third option max money, we'll end up never making the playoffs with this group.

[Kobblehead]

Utah will be able to afford Hayward and Burks just fine. If you can find us a free agent we can spend our money on, please let us know.

Until then, its better to risk spending money on these guys than losing year after year, with cap space, and hoping one day, maybe a star player will decide to come to Utah.

Again, you're missing the point. It's not about finding the next guy to dump salary on. It's about being smart and understanding that you can't keep locking up "only-good" players and expect to win games. Especially in the West.

Instead of "finding you a free agent to throw money at" or "retaining ordinary players" why don't you sit on your cap space and remain flexible should an opportunity present itself?

[RajonsGotARondo]

heyward S%T for Jeff Greeen

[abark]

I think the Jazz should let him skate to whoever gives him an offer. Alec Burks should be the priority and he's due up after next season. If you sign both Hayward and Burks, you're basically committing to mediocrity.

So who should Utah commit to instead?

Why are you so quick to use up your cap space? I think Utah should extend Burks after next year and go forward with financial flexibility.

That only works if they can use the cap space to sign a better FA than Hayward. In the last 25 years, the only FA's of note that Utah has signed are Boozer and Mehmet Okur, even though they have had multiple opportunities in terms of cap space. There is literally no one else even worth mentioning.

So if they haven't signed a FA better than Hayward in the last 2 and a half decades, I don't think it's smart to let him walk and just assume it's gonna happen anytime soon.

[Luigi]

That only works if they can use the cap space to sign a better FA than Hayward. In the last 25 years, the only FA's of note that Utah has signed are Boozer and Mehmet Okur, even though they have had multiple opportunities in terms of cap space. There is literally no one else even worth mentioning.

So if they haven't signed a FA better than Hayward in the last 2 and a half decades, I don't think it's smart to let him walk and just assume it's gonna happen anytime soon.

There are two sources. The draft is key. We wanna be able to pay Exum if he explodes. We wanna pay Burks if he turns out. We wanna pay Gobert if he turns out. We'll have other picks.

Free agents that wanna win will sign up with the Jazz, but only once we have a bright enough future. If we get stuck in a payroll of big money for average starters, we'll lose this possibility also.

[dan2314]

Piston fans would give him 12-13mil a year. He's definitely my first priority. We've got about 15mil in cap space, but SVG said in an interview he wants to spread it around, rather than going for the home run. if i was running it though, id be going after him with that kind of money, especially with the cap increasing over the next few seasons.

i would think that utah, detroit, phoenix, atlanta, and possibly orlando are the most likely to be involved.

[Atmanne]

Already reports that Phoenix plans to offer him the max or something close. So, yeah.

[Luigi]

Already reports that Phoenix plans to offer him the max or something close. So, yeah.

They can have him for the max.

Links?

[Atmanne]

Already reports that Phoenix plans to offer him the max or something close. So, yeah.

They can have him for the max.

Links?

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-bas ... y-to-match

[abark]

That only works if they can use the cap space to sign a better FA than Hayward. In the last 25 years, the only FA's of note that Utah has signed are Boozer and Mehmet Okur, even though they have had multiple opportunities in terms of cap space. There is literally no one else even worth mentioning.

So if they haven't signed a FA better than Hayward in the last 2 and a half decades, I don't think it's smart to let him walk and just assume it's gonna happen anytime soon.

There are two sources. The draft is key. We wanna be able to pay Exum if he explodes. We wanna pay Burks if he turns out. We wanna pay Gobert if he turns out. We'll have other picks.

Free agents that wanna win will sign up with the Jazz, but only once we have a bright enough future. If we get stuck in a payroll of big money for average starters, we'll lose this possibility also.

Retaining Exum is irrelevant. He'll be getting off his rookie deal the same year this contract expires for Hayward.

[Luigi]

That only works if they can use the cap space to sign a better FA than Hayward. In the last 25 years, the only FA's of note that Utah has signed are Boozer and Mehmet Okur, even though they have had multiple opportunities in terms of cap space. There is literally no one else even worth mentioning.

So if they haven't signed a FA better than Hayward in the last 2 and a half decades, I don't think it's smart to let him walk and just assume it's gonna happen anytime soon.

There are two sources. The draft is key. We wanna be able to pay Exum if he explodes. We wanna pay Burks if he turns out. We wanna pay Gobert if he turns out. We'll have other picks.

Free agents that wanna win will sign up with the Jazz, but only once we have a bright enough future. If we get stuck in a payroll of big money for average starters, we'll lose this possibility also.

Retaining Exum is irrelevant. He'll be getting off his rookie deal the same year this contract expires for Hayward.

I don't think you're getting the big picture approach I described.

[abark]

There are two sources. The draft is key. We wanna be able to pay Exum if he explodes. We wanna pay Burks if he turns out. We wanna pay Gobert if he turns out. We'll have other picks.

Free agents that wanna win will sign up with the Jazz, but only once we have a bright enough future. If we get stuck in a payroll of big money for average starters, we'll lose this possibility also.

Retaining Exum is irrelevant. He'll be getting off his rookie deal the same year this contract expires for Hayward.

I don't think you're getting the big picture approach I described.

No I "get it" just fine. I'm not saying to hand over a max contract to Hayward. If he wants 15 mill, I agree you let him walk. But I also don't think it will be as difficult to retain the current talent on the Jazz as you seem to.

You were the one that brought up Exum, and I was just pointing out that he's irrelevant to the discussion. And as far as Burke or Gobert, Hayward would be a very movable expiring by the time you have to worry about them.

So Burks and Kanter (along with Favors' current extension) are really the only young talent that you would have to worry about signing during the length of this contract. And I don't think that would be an issue.

I'm looking at the big picture as well, we just happen to disagree. Doesn't mean I don't get it.

[killacalijatt]

Steph Curry makes only 10M a year. Why any one should be paid more is beyond stupid.

[abark]

Steph Curry makes only 10M a year. Why any one should be paid more is beyond stupid.

No it's stupid that Curry only makes 10M a year. That's an amazing deal for GS, but a terrible benchmark to compare current free agents to.

[Illmatic12]

Steph Curry makes only 10M a year. Why any one should be paid more is beyond stupid.

Just wait till he gets his next contract, people will be saying he's overpaid.

[nicnac215]

3 years 36 million

[RaptorNews]

Much like the name of his debut rap single, any offer for Gordon Hayward will be Too Big Yo

[Luigi]

Retaining Exum is irrelevant. He'll be getting off his rookie deal the same year this contract expires for Hayward.

I don't think you're getting the big picture approach I described.

No "get it" just fine. I'm not saying to hand over a max contract to Hayward. If he wants 15 mill, I agree you let him walk. But I also don't think it will be as difficult to retain the current talent on the Jazz as you seem to.

You were the one that brought up Exum, and I was just pointing out that he's irrelevant to the discussion. And as far as Burke or Gobert, Hayward would be a very movable expiring by the time you have to worry about them.

So Burks and Kanter (along with Favors' current extension) are really the only young talent that you would have to worry about signing during the length of this contract. And I don't think that would be an issue.

I'm looking at the big picture as well, we just happen to disagree. Doesn't mean I don't get it.

No, the big picture isn't simply retaining particular pieces of talent. I brought them up as examples for a larger strategy. You didn't get it.

[NashtyNas]

I don't think you're getting the big picture approach I described.

That's probably because you haven't done a very good job describing it, because what you have described so far makes no sense. Utah is never going to get a top tier FA. You don't let your guys go in hopes that you get someone better down the line when you have trouble attracting ANY FA to begin with.

Signing Hayward, even to a max, won't hurt Utah much at all. They've got a LOT of room and they would still have a ton of assets and flexibility moving forward. The key is to not bid against yourself. Let him go out and sign an offer sheet from someone else instead of offering him $12M yourself. If he gets a larger one, you can decide what you want to match up to. Letting him walk for nothing is a mistake.

[abark]

I don't think you're getting the big picture approach I described.

No "get it" just fine. I'm not saying to hand over a max contract to Hayward. If he wants 15 mill, I agree you let him walk. But I also don't think it will be as difficult to retain the current talent on the Jazz as you seem to.

You were the one that brought up Exum, and I was just pointing out that he's irrelevant to the discussion. And as far as Burke or Gobert, Hayward would be a very movable expiring by the time you have to worry about them.

So Burks and Kanter (along with Favors' current extension) are really the only young talent that you would have to worry about signing during the length of this contract. And I don't think that would be an issue.

I'm looking at the big picture as well, we just happen to disagree. Doesn't mean I don't get it.

No, the big picture isn't simply retaining particular pieces of talent. I brought them up as examples for a larger strategy. You didn't get it.

Just curious, what do you think would be a fair contract for Hayward, or would you just prefer the flexibility regardless?