Which team has done the best job of rebuilding so far

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Which team has done the best job of rebuilding so far?

Sixers
33
15%
Magic
24
11%
Celtics
26
11%
Bucks
28
12%
Jazz
86
38%
Pelicans
17
7%
Kings
0
No votes
Suns
13
6%
 
Total votes: 227

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Re: Which team has done the best job of rebuilding so far 

Post#21 » by Doctor MJ » Sat Mar 21, 2015 10:52 pm

BBall Loyalty wrote:I don't include the Wolves because they only "blew it up" last offseason and they had been trying to win with Love.

I just chose teams that I felt had been rebuilding for a while.


I voted Jazz. I worry a bit that I'm blinded by Gobert at the moment but I've been quietly impressed with the Jazz for a while now.

As with most situations where I'm actually impressed, the Jazz did something I wouldn't have advised them to do: Cut ties with Deron Williams. I didn't expect the team to win titles with Deron, but a small market like the Jazz has to be content with merely being very good most of the time. Based only what I saw as a fan, I'd have tried to ride the Deron train through another big time contract before doing the dreaded rebuild.

The Jazz on the other hand seem to have sensed that Deron wasn't as good as he looked, and that he likely wouldn't age well, and they moved without hesitation on to the next thing despite the fact that would mean suffering for a few years even if they got it right. They then proceeded to draft well - and that's the most important part, but also the part most down to luck - so this is why I say I don't just want to give them the nod for Gobert. But what we can say at least is that the Jazz knew when it was time to start over, they did so without any drama, and when the time came to actually decide on pieces for their roster, they seemed to know what they were doing. Very impressive.

As to other teams:

Pelicans getting Davis should not factor in here. Someone has to get the #1 seed, and NO didn't even "earn" that #1 seed by having the lowest wins. They just got lucky, and then they haven't really impressed since then.

Celtics are good definitely. Ainge's philosophy here seems good. He was still ridiculously lucky with the previous Big 3 success, but he's earned his place as a guy who should get picked up immediately should the Celtic ownership turn on him.

Timberwolves have basically only made 1 move, and it's the move every single person in the world would have made, so it's like they haven't started.

Bucks - I really like that they didn't fall in love with Knight. This tells me they have a pretty good sense for what their actual foundation is.

Kings - Remember that Boogie was drafted under previous ownership, and the new ownership has made clear it is running the show and will treat the team like it's a bunch of 8-year-olds girls if it wants. The Kings may still end up in a good place because Cousins is so damn good, but there's literally no reason at all to have any faith in the management nor to praise them for their work so far. Strong candidate for the most incompetent in the league right now (although the Nets make it tough to have an actual debate).

Suns - I don't have faith in what they are doing. Hornacek seems to really want a 2 lead guard system. There's basically no track record for this working in all of history so far as I know, so this is really a question of whether Hornacek is going to start a paradigm shift or whether it will be a joke. Given that they just lost Dragic, I'm inclined to believe the latter. There's also the matter that this is the same ownership group that worked harder to get in its own way as a championship contender in the previous decade than I would have thought possible. If it had been one GM the whole time you could argue that GM was worse than Kahn in Minnesota, but instead its clear that it was a bunch of different GMs each of which is far smarter than the ownership...which was why they literally had a GM (Kerr) quit with no other job lined up. That never happens. Didn't even happen to Sterling in LA so far as I know.
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Re: Which team has done the best job of rebuilding so far 

Post#22 » by Madhouse » Sat Mar 21, 2015 10:52 pm

Philly and it's not close.
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Re: Which team has done the best job of rebuilding so far 

Post#23 » by walk with me » Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:02 pm

miami....


lose an MVP caliber player and still make the playoffs.
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Re: Which team has done the best job of rebuilding so far 

Post#24 » by Financials » Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:17 pm

Doctor MJ wrote:
BBall Loyalty wrote:I don't include the Wolves because they only "blew it up" last offseason and they had been trying to win with Love.

I just chose teams that I felt had been rebuilding for a while.


I voted Jazz. I worry a bit that I'm blinded by Gobert at the moment but I've been quietly impressed with the Jazz for a while now.

As with most situations where I'm actually impressed, the Jazz did something I wouldn't have advised them to do: Cut ties with Deron Williams. I didn't expect the team to win titles with Deron, but a small market like the Jazz has to be content with merely being very good most of the time. Based only what I saw as a fan, I'd have tried to ride the Deron train through another big time contract before doing the dreaded rebuild.

The Jazz on the other hand seem to have sensed that Deron wasn't as good as he looked, and that he likely wouldn't age well, and they moved without hesitation on to the next thing despite the fact that would mean suffering for a few years even if they got it right.
They then proceeded to draft well - and that's the most important part, but also the part most down to luck - so this is why I say I don't just want to give them the nod for Gobert. But what we can say at least is that the Jazz knew when it was time to start over, they did so without any drama, and when the time came to actually decide on pieces for their roster, they seemed to know what they were doing. Very impressive.


didnt deron basically say he was going to resign with brooklyn so trade me ??
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Re: Which team has done the best job of rebuilding so far 

Post#25 » by Mik317 » Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:31 pm

Like the previous 80 threads...it is far too early to call.

For the Sixers, there are still too many moving variables to call it. Embiid has to be legit AND stay healthy. Noel has been awesome this month but he has to build on that and stay consistent (and fit with Embiid). Then we have to hit it big on at least one of our upcoming picks as well....(and then with the remaining take no busts for good measure)... That is a lot of moving parts. It is a good start for sure.

Utah has been crazy good defensively and Hayward is seemingly taking that next step. However, they still may be that GUY away from being anything great...especially out West but Gobert may be that guy..because Dude is the Humanoid Hax right now with his arms...

Orlando is kinda like Utah in being THATGUY away from prominence but Oladipo has began to put it together and Payton has begun to slow the game down greatly and Vuc is one of the best bigs in the league . They need one more piece and may get it this year...Look out for them..I think next year is the year they FINALLY take that next step. They need to get the coach right tho,

The Bucks are an enigma right now because it does depend on their PG situation and Parker coming back AND also being great. Giannis is also a Humanoid Hax but idk...I do feel like they perhaps got too ok too early and could have used another lottery pick type talent...but who knows. If Parker is legit and Giannis keeps growing, the sky is the limit. They need to get MCW right tho.,..Kidd and MCW's recent struggles will be good for him.

The Celtics are intriguing. They may have the best coach of the bunch but also the collection of dudes with the lowest upside (no diss). They have a buttload of picks to play with and they will get something of worth out of it for sure. They will need one of their young dudes to take a massive step forward to be great tho.

The Knicks and the Lakers are in the same boat of getting a top flight young prospect while still being in a top market..if whoever they take is legit, then they will have the easiest path to greatness. Young Superstar + Big Market + MONEEEEEYY = wooooooooooo.

The TWolves have Wiggins, Rubio, and a top pick to build around. Add in Shabazz and LaVine and they could be something special...

Most of these rebuilding squads can be really good...but a lot of things have to fall in place. If Embiid isn't good and/or Hinkie misses hard on a pick, we could be bad for a long time..or worse back to mediocrity-town. If Orlando keeps taking OK but not great guys, they too can just be another team in the miasma. The Bucks could also cap out early if MCW stays bad and they resign him for too much or if Parker doesn't recover or just isn't good. You can do this for everything of course but yeah its too early..hopefully everything works out for everyone because that would make the league really awesome.
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Re: Which team has done the best job of rebuilding so far 

Post#26 » by Ruckusmh » Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:32 pm

E-Balla wrote:Between the Bucks and the Jazz for me. The Jazz have a good team and will have another high pick but they don't have a guy that can be their number one yet or the cap space to sign that person.

The Bucks on the other hand have a crap load of great Fs, a great coach, and cap space. If they can get a decent PG in the free agnecy, Jabari comes back healthy, and they draft someone that'll be ready to play C soon they could be contenders in two, three years.

Just for reference, if the Jazz waive Booker this summer they actually do have ~15 mil available, and that would then bump up going forward.
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Re: Which team has done the best job of rebuilding so far 

Post#27 » by E-Balla » Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:35 pm

Financials wrote:
Doctor MJ wrote:
BBall Loyalty wrote:I don't include the Wolves because they only "blew it up" last offseason and they had been trying to win with Love.

I just chose teams that I felt had been rebuilding for a while.


I voted Jazz. I worry a bit that I'm blinded by Gobert at the moment but I've been quietly impressed with the Jazz for a while now.

As with most situations where I'm actually impressed, the Jazz did something I wouldn't have advised them to do: Cut ties with Deron Williams. I didn't expect the team to win titles with Deron, but a small market like the Jazz has to be content with merely being very good most of the time. Based only what I saw as a fan, I'd have tried to ride the Deron train through another big time contract before doing the dreaded rebuild.

The Jazz on the other hand seem to have sensed that Deron wasn't as good as he looked, and that he likely wouldn't age well, and they moved without hesitation on to the next thing despite the fact that would mean suffering for a few years even if they got it right.
They then proceeded to draft well - and that's the most important part, but also the part most down to luck - so this is why I say I don't just want to give them the nod for Gobert. But what we can say at least is that theme Jazz knew when it was time to start over, they did so without any drama, and when the time came to actually decide on pieces for their roster, they seemed to know what they were doing. Very impressive.


didnt deron basically say he was going to resign with brooklyn so trade me ??

No the trade came out of nowhere.
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Re: Which team has done the best job of rebuilding so far 

Post#28 » by Revived » Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:44 pm

How in the world is Minnesota not on this list?
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Re: Which team has done the best job of rebuilding so far 

Post#29 » by Ugly0598 » Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:49 pm

Jazz because Deron Williams looks like hot garbage in Brooklyn.

The Bucks look good though when Parker comes back. New Orleans doesn't deserve a vote because they've done a mediocre job outside of drafting the BPA.
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Re: Which team has done the best job of rebuilding so far 

Post#30 » by bondom34 » Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:25 am

E-Balla wrote:Between the Bucks and the Jazz for me. The Jazz have a good team and will have another high pick but they don't have a guy that can be their number one yet or the cap space to sign that person.

The Bucks on the other hand have a crap load of great Fs, a great coach, and cap space. If they can get a decent PG in the free agnecy, Jabari comes back healthy, and they draft someone that'll be ready to play C soon they could be contenders in two, three years.

This is exactly how I feel. If Utah keeps up the hot finish this season and carries it into next year, its them. The Bucks have the advantage of 2 potential franchise type guys in Giannis and Parker (though we don't know what Parker can do for a full season yet). Utah has Hayward who I don't know if is good enough to be top dog on a contender, but is definitely an excellent young wing who's top 5 at his position, it just happens to be a relatively weak position in the league. Gobert looks fantastic too, its all a matter of how Exum pans out.
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Re: Which team has done the best job of rebuilding so far 

Post#31 » by JMac1 » Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:33 am

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I have no clue how you can think Utah is in a good place, but we aren't. Maybe you should become a Jazz fan.


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Re: Which team has done the best job of rebuilding so far 

Post#32 » by JMac1 » Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:36 am

SF88 wrote:How in the world is Minnesota not on this list?



Make sure you report this poll back to MrMyagi :nod:
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Re: Which team has done the best job of rebuilding so far 

Post#33 » by E-Balla » Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:37 am

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E-Balla wrote:Between the Bucks and the Jazz for me. The Jazz have a good team and will have another high pick but they don't have a guy that can be their number one yet or the cap space to sign that person.

The Bucks on the other hand have a crap load of great Fs, a great coach, and cap space. If they can get a decent PG in the free agnecy, Jabari comes back healthy, and they draft someone that'll be ready to play C soon they could be contenders in two, three years.

This is exactly how I feel. If Utah keeps up the hot finish this season and carries it into next year, its them. The Bucks have the advantage of 2 potential franchise type guys in Giannis and Parker (though we don't know what Parker can do for a full season yet). Utah has Hayward who I don't know if is good enough to be top dog on a contender, but is definitely an excellent young wing who's top 5 at his position, it just happens to be a relatively weak position in the league. Gobert looks fantastic too, its all a matter of how Exum pans out.

We did see Parker play great even when his shot wasn't falling early. He gets to the paint at will and he's willing to be a team player so I think he'll be fine if he recovers. Still he's had injury issues dating back to Simeon so it might be a concern.
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Re: Which team has done the best job of rebuilding so far 

Post#34 » by og15 » Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:14 am

HawaiianJazzFan wrote:
tooler wrote:No team really knocks my socks off. I admire Philly's determination to keep reloading until they draft or acquire a superstar. I like what the Bucks are doing in terms of length on defense but I think they need more time now after the Knight trade. I haven't decided how to factor in "luck" when it comes to the Jazz: if Gobert hadn't taken off, where would they be? Obviously they made the trade so credit to them, but how often do those things work out? Speaking of luck, I still chuckle at the absurd turn of events that dropped Wiggins into Minnesota's lap.

I'm not thrilled at how the Magic have rebuilt. At least they did their best in the face of some bad luck: #2 pick in the awful 2013 class, then God's team (Cleveland) bumping them out of the three top-tier picks in 2014. I think they might find themselves just outside the top-tier this year too. Anyway, I can't say for sure what the future holds until they get a real coach. They might need to make a trade at some point too.



Honestly, it was pretty lucky, Sloan (Jazz consultant now) was at his workout for the draft, and came away extremely impressed by him, and I think that is the reason for the trade.

Sometimes we do forget that luck is part of it. A guy like that can become Gobert or DeAndre Jordan, or they can become something closer to Ryan Hollins
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Re: Which team has done the best job of rebuilding so far 

Post#35 » by brackdan70 » Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:13 am

SF88 wrote:How in the world is Minnesota not on this list?


after 10 years its no longer a re-build....its an endless struggle to reach mediocrity.
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Re: Which team has done the best job of rebuilding so far 

Post#36 » by The Sparest » Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:39 am

UtahJazzFan88 wrote:Jazz because Deron Williams looks like hot garbage in Brooklyn.

The Bucks look good though when Parker comes back. New Orleans doesn't deserve a vote because they've done a mediocre job outside of drafting the BPA.


I voted for the Pels because of Davis. To me rebuilding is all about getting that one player you can build around and Davis is the definition of that. You can say they lucked into it, but luck is a part of sports.

The Jazz are 2nd on my list with their core of Hayward, Favors, and Gobert.
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Post#37 » by killacalijatt » Sun Mar 22, 2015 3:38 am

Jazz not even close
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Re: Which team has done the best job of rebuilding so far 

Post#38 » by cpower » Sun Mar 22, 2015 3:44 am

Jazz probably. They are already a top defensive team and all they need is finding a few good shooters and they will roll.
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Post#39 » by 76ciology » Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:18 pm

Currently?

Pelicans. They already have a superstar and talented supporting cast in place.
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Re: Which team has done the best job of rebuilding so far 

Post#40 » by GYK » Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:27 pm

Jazz have four starters(Alec might be hurt and a sixth man but it looks to because of his star-ish skillset. Certainly valuable in a Manu/Crawford role). One of their points will emerge but I think they're perfect for Rondo.
Jazz are ready once they have they're offensive system figured out. Favors hits the inside and outside shot. Rudy is a DJ/Chandler type center. Gecko is absolutely a good player(I know absolutely sounds like it'll be more then good but he just has no holes). Alec could improve defensively. Their bigs needs easier shots and they're a PS team.

Magic did well with Victor and Nikola.

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