Team average age; Team age weighted by minutes played

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Re: Team average age; Team age weighted by minutes played 

Post#21 » by PhilBlackson » Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:38 pm

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Warriorfan wrote:3 yrs from now there may be a changing of the guard at the top as the Celtics hit prime.


Boston is the clear stand out on this list, and that's typically a good sign. The thing is though that to me there's no indication that they're going to have star power that rivals the best in the league, no matter whose prime we're talking about. I honestly think Celtic fans might be in some frustrating times watching their team be a bridesmaid year after year. Of course, you don't get to experience that particular flavor of frustration unless you're really damn good to begin with. One them good problems really.


What you're not remembering is they have multiple picks left and many of those young players are also great bargaining chips. Ainge isn't done now that he has Kyrie & Hayward (not to mention Brown & Tatum). To me (and many others) it's clear as day what the gameplan is and who the target is...ANTHONY DAVIS.

We all know damn well the Pelicans aren't/won't put together a good enough roster for him to really compete. Quite frankly they should move Cousins asap to get a decent return because I think there is little to no chance he's going to return (and the team they should target is WAS for Porter + pick(s)). Danny will quite easily be able to offer the best package to NOP when they face the inevitable truth that they won't be able to keep him. Now he might have to part with say Brown (more likely) OR Tatum + Horford + SAC pick + MEM to get him but then they're stacked and everyone is only going to enter their prime...

As for people saying DAL stands out Dirk is 39, Harris is 34, Barea is 33, Mejri is 31, McRoberts is 30...these guys are washed up and badly skewing the perception of how young the roster is.
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Re: Team average age; Team age weighted by minutes played 

Post#22 » by Doctor MJ » Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:41 pm

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Warriorfan wrote:3 yrs from now there may be a changing of the guard at the top as the Celtics hit prime.


Boston is the clear stand out on this list, and that's typically a good sign. The thing is though that to me there's no indication that they're going to have star power that rivals the best in the league, no matter whose prime we're talking about. I honestly think Celtic fans might be in some frustrating times watching their team be a bridesmaid year after year. Of course, you don't get to experience that particular flavor of frustration unless you're really damn good to begin with. One them good problems really.


What you're not remembering is they have multiple picks left and many of those young players are also great bargaining chips. Ainge isn't done now that he has Kyrie & Hayward (not to mention Brown & Tatum). To me (and many others) it's clear as day what the gameplan is and who the target is...ANTHONY DAVIS.

We all know damn well the Pelicans aren't/won't put together a good enough roster for him to really compete. Quite frankly they should move Cousins asap to get a decent return because I think there is little to no chance he's going to return (and the team they should target is WAS for Porter + pick(s)). Danny will quite easily be able to offer the best package to NOP when they face the inevitable truth that they won't be able to keep him. Now he might have to part with say Brown (more likely) OR Tatum + Horford + SAC pick + MEM to get him but then they're stacked and everyone is only going to enter their prime...

As for people saying DAL stands out Dirk is 39, Harris is 34, Barea is 33, Mejri is 31, McRoberts is 30...these guys are washed up and badly skewing the perception of how young the roster is.


I get that they are targeting Davis, I get they have a great shot, and frankly I'm excited at the prospect (I'd love to see Davis go somewhere competent), but this is not any kind of sure thing obviously.
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Re: Team average age; Team age weighted by minutes played 

Post#23 » by PhilBlackson » Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:43 pm

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Boston is the clear stand out on this list, and that's typically a good sign. The thing is though that to me there's no indication that they're going to have star power that rivals the best in the league, no matter whose prime we're talking about. I honestly think Celtic fans might be in some frustrating times watching their team be a bridesmaid year after year. Of course, you don't get to experience that particular flavor of frustration unless you're really damn good to begin with. One them good problems really.


What you're not remembering is they have multiple picks left and many of those young players are also great bargaining chips. Ainge isn't done now that he has Kyrie & Hayward (not to mention Brown & Tatum). To me (and many others) it's clear as day what the gameplan is and who the target is...ANTHONY DAVIS.

We all know damn well the Pelicans aren't/won't put together a good enough roster for him to really compete. Quite frankly they should move Cousins asap to get a decent return because I think there is little to no chance he's going to return (and the team they should target is WAS for Porter + pick(s)). Danny will quite easily be able to offer the best package to NOP when they face the inevitable truth that they won't be able to keep him. Now he might have to part with say Brown (more likely) OR Tatum + Horford + SAC pick + MEM to get him but then they're stacked and everyone is only going to enter their prime...

As for people saying DAL stands out Dirk is 39, Harris is 34, Barea is 33, Mejri is 31, McRoberts is 30...these guys are washed up and badly skewing the perception of how young the roster is.


I get that they are targeting Davis, I get they have a great shot, and frankly I'm excited at the prospect (I'd love to see Davis go somewhere competent), but this is not any kind of sure thing obviously.


Davis isn't a sure thing but BOS only further improving given their picks/tradeable pieces is.
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Re: Team average age; Team age weighted by minutes played 

Post#24 » by YogurtProducer » Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:52 pm

Warriorfan wrote:3 yrs from now there may be a changing of the guard at the top as the Celtics hit prime.

My only fear for Boston is will Horford fall off as Tatum rises? Or will Hayward simply not be as effective when he’s back?

Hypothetically if Horford falls off in the next year or two, who do they have to replace him? They’d essentially be capped out andstuck without a starting caliber big man which is still necessary in today’s NBA unless Tatum can play a Draymond role as a small ball 5?
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Re: Team average age; Team age weighted by minutes played 

Post#25 » by Nuggets_Talk » Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:57 pm

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Re: Team average age; Team age weighted by minutes played 

Post#26 » by Warriorfan » Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:58 pm

One thing to note warriors will probably be much younger next season.

I don't think West 37 Young 32, Jevale 29, Livingston 32 Zaza 33 will be on the roster next season due to luxury tax and the maturation of Jones, Bell, Mc Caw Cook hopefully Boucher Looney.
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Re: Team average age; Team age weighted by minutes played 

Post#27 » by azwfan » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:09 pm

Warriorfan wrote:One thing to note warriors will probably be much younger next season.

I don't think West 37 Young 32, Jevale 29, Livingston 32 Zaza 33 will be on the roster next season due to luxury tax and the maturation of Jones, Bell, Mc Caw Cook hopefully Boucher Looney.

If we lose all of those vets (not saying you are wrong) and replace their minutes with those current youngsters, we are going to be much worse.

Primarily looking at West & Livingston vs. Cook & Looney... but even JaVale & Young vs. Jones & McCaw. Zaza vs. Bell is the only one that looks like a promising maintaining of status quo / improvement.
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Re: Team average age; Team age weighted by minutes played 

Post#28 » by Dopeness » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:12 pm

The best teams play more minutes because they go to the playoffs every year. The worst teams have rookies and d league players that might be out of the league the next year. It makes sense.
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Re: Team average age; Team age weighted by minutes played 

Post#29 » by 12footrim » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:41 pm

mademan wrote:6 best teams in the league; GSW/HOU/BOS/TOR/SAS/CLE. Impressive that Toronto/Boston are doing so well when they play guys 5 -6 years younger


Yeah but it's disingeious when you consider a high proportion of their value towards those wins are coming from 30 somethings like Horford, Lowry, Derozen etc and Ibaka is probably 30+. Boston for example is pretty much driven by Horford. #13 RPM. That's what neededs to be weighted in something like winshares and age.
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Re: Team average age; Team age weighted by minutes played 

Post#30 » by Atmanne » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:44 pm

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Warriorfan wrote:3 yrs from now there may be a changing of the guard at the top as the Celtics hit prime.

My only fear for Boston is will Horford fall off as Tatum rises? Or will Hayward simply not be as effective when he’s back?

Hypothetically if Horford falls off in the next year or two, who do they have to replace him? They’d essentially be capped out andstuck without a starting caliber big man which is still necessary in today’s NBA unless Tatum can play a Draymond role as a small ball 5?


They're in decent position to use the Lakers pick to get one of Bagley, Ayton, or Bamba
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Re: Team average age; Team age weighted by minutes played 

Post#31 » by mademan » Mon Jan 1, 2018 12:08 am

Atmanne wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:
Warriorfan wrote:3 yrs from now there may be a changing of the guard at the top as the Celtics hit prime.

My only fear for Boston is will Horford fall off as Tatum rises? Or will Hayward simply not be as effective when he’s back?

Hypothetically if Horford falls off in the next year or two, who do they have to replace him? They’d essentially be capped out andstuck without a starting caliber big man which is still necessary in today’s NBA unless Tatum can play a Draymond role as a small ball 5?


They're in decent position to use the Lakers pick to get one of Bagley, Ayton, or Bamba


If the pick conveys. Which is still more unlikely than not
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Re: Team average age; Team age weighted by minutes played 

Post#32 » by Atmanne » Mon Jan 1, 2018 12:27 am

mademan wrote:
Atmanne wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:My only fear for Boston is will Horford fall off as Tatum rises? Or will Hayward simply not be as effective when he’s back?

Hypothetically if Horford falls off in the next year or two, who do they have to replace him? They’d essentially be capped out andstuck without a starting caliber big man which is still necessary in today’s NBA unless Tatum can play a Draymond role as a small ball 5?


They're in decent position to use the Lakers pick to get one of Bagley, Ayton, or Bamba


If the pick conveys. Which is still more unlikely than not


Well, they currently have the third worst record. While I suspect they'll pass a few teams, I'd say there's at least a 50% chance the pick conveys.
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Re: Team average age; Team age weighted by minutes played 

Post#33 » by mademan » Mon Jan 1, 2018 12:35 am

Atmanne wrote:
mademan wrote:
Atmanne wrote:
They're in decent position to use the Lakers pick to get one of Bagley, Ayton, or Bamba


If the pick conveys. Which is still more unlikely than not


Well, they currently have the third worst record. While I suspect they'll pass a few teams, I'd say there's at least a 50% chance the pick conveys.


That's a pretty crazy % youre giving them. Theyre in a cluster with like 10 teams; 9 of whom will be likely actively tanking in the last 20ish games. Same reason the Nets pick probably won't end up top 5
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Re: Team average age; Team age weighted by minutes played 

Post#34 » by Gant » Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:50 pm

The Boston Celtics Might Be Unprecedented


The Celtics are one of the league’s youngest teams, as only the lottery-bound Lakers and Suns boast lower average ages than Boston’s 24.5 (weighted by minutes played); not a single Celtic is older than Cleveland’s average age.

The Celtics aren’t just an anomaly this season, though; as a team this young and competitive, they’re a historical aberration as well. Before this season, 142 teams since the advent of the shot clock played with a weighted average age younger than 25, and they were generally awful, finishing with an average .365 winning percentage, which translates to a 30–52 record.

Few were anywhere near as good as these Celtics, with only 21 of those 142 teams finishing with a winning record, and only four winning at least 50 games: Milwaukee with 56 in 1969–70, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s rookie season; Portland with 54 in 2008–09, Brandon Roy’s peak; and Oklahoma City with 50 in 2009–10 and 55 in 2010–11, pre–James Harden trade. For comparison, as many teams in the sample earned 50-plus wins as 70-plus losses (or its winning-percentage equivalent, in the case of 7–59 Charlotte from the recent lockout year).

More than halfway through this season, the Celtics are on pace for 63 wins; even if they falter, they could lose more games than they win the rest of the year and still reach 50. Depending on how strongly one weighs regular-season versus playoff performance — those Abdul-Jabbar Bucks won a title, as did the equally young, 49–33 Trail Blazers in the 1976–77 season — it’s not a stretch to argue that these Celtics could finish as the best young team in league history.


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