Bucks frustrated with Jabari Parker?

[LofJ]

I think the Hornets would be interested in a sign and trade of Parker/Henson for Howard, but only if Parker was willing to take a 2 year deal with a player option on the 2nd year. He's too high a risk to warrant a long-term deal.

[-TheDocOfDenial]

Parker will get a 1 year prove it deal from a team like the Nets/Lakers. I dont think any team is ready to commit even a 4/40 for him.

[nolang1]

Wow I have been saying this for years. Once Giannis really started to come into his own during Parker's rookie season, people who thought it was going to be some 1A/1B thing between Parker and Giannis were horribly misguided. I can only imagine how many trade opportunities that would've greatly improved the Bucks' supporting cast were turned down based on some reasoning like "he's the #2 pick and was on the cover of SI in high school and gets buckets."

Even drafting Embiid over Parker was a pretty common-sense move at the time, but it seemed like ownership just wanted to sell tickets by going with a guy from Chicago (when the Bulls aren't awful you get some 50-50 crowds at Bucks home games against them) who was available to play immediately.

[PierceFan4ever]

It’s disappointing how both Wiggins and Parker turned out after the hype they both received since high school as the next big thing in the nba.

[HMFFL]

It seems like it's been clear that Parker doesn't have a future with the Bucks.
Once their off-season gets here his days will be numbered. A new system will do him some good.

[Dupp]

Who’s actually gonna pay him anyway? I don’t think the market for him will be great

If the bulls are still interested, i'm all in for a S&T for robin lopez. But that's just me.

What kind of contract we talking though?

[3Diamantidis]

Who’s actually gonna pay him anyway? I don’t think the market for him will be great

If the bulls are still interested, i'm all in for a S&T for robin lopez. But that's just me.

What kind of contract we talking though?

4/44 with team options after years 2 and 3 or sth like that. If i'm the owner i don't pay him more than that.
Not for the injuries. It's the whole mentality that starts to piss me off.
I have no problem with him if he thinks he's the best player.
The problem is that if he doesn't feel that he should prove some things in the playoffs, then there's no point in having him.

[Bad-Thoma]

I think the Hornets would be interested in a sign and trade of Parker/Henson for Howard, but only if Parker was willing to take a 2 year deal with a player option on the 2nd year. He's too high a risk to warrant a long-term deal.

Howard clogging the paint would be a terrible match for Giannis (while obviously being a massive upgrade on Henson but still a square peg in a round hole), if they do trade Jabari even a role playing center with range would be a better fit than Henson or Howard. Of course that likely makes their defense even worse but I think I new a coach/system is more of an answer for that than personnel.

[HurricaneKid]

Parker will get a 1 year prove it deal from a team like the Nets/Lakers. I dont think any team is ready to commit even a 4/40 for him.

RFAs cannot sign 1 year deals with other teams.

When a restricted free agent wants to sign with another team, the player and team sign an offer sheet, the principal terms of which the original team is given two days to match.4 The offer sheet must be for at least two seasons (not including option years), and a standard NBA contract (not a Two-Way contract). If the player's prior team also submitted a maximum qualifying offer, then the offer sheet must be for at least three seasons (not including option years). If the player's original team exercises its right of first refusal within two days (by issuing a First Refusal Exercise Notice), the player is then under contract to his original team, at the principal terms of the offer sheet (but not the non-principal terms). If the player's original team does not exercise its right of first refusal within two days (or provides written notice that it is declining its right of first refusal), the player is deemed to be under contract with the new team.

I've been REALLY curious about the market for Jabari since he said he was a max player.

[313 Professor]

The Bucks are perfect on 2k when I'm managing the touches smh they should be a title contender.

Somebody better fix this!

EDIT: Now that I think about it I barely use Jabari though #letemwalk

[HurricaneKid]

Wow I have been saying this for years. Once Giannis really started to come into his own during Parker's rookie season, people who thought it was going to be some 1A/1B thing between Parker and Giannis were horribly misguided. I can only imagine how many trade opportunities that would've greatly improved the Bucks' supporting cast were turned down based on some reasoning like "he's the #2 pick and was on the cover of SI in high school and gets buckets."

Even drafting Embiid over Parker was a pretty common-sense move at the time, but it seemed like ownership just wanted to sell tickets by going with a guy from Chicago (when the Bulls aren't awful you get some 50-50 crowds at Bucks home games against them) who was available to play immediately.

This is a COMPLETE rewriting of history.

Embiid had a broken foot, stress fractures in his back, and had bombed the few physicals he showed up for so bad it was the stuff of legend and half the league redlined him. He had never played a full HS season, didn't play the full college season and was going to have to sit out his rookie season.

The question in the draft was how far he was going to fall. He had enormous potential but there was no indication he was ever going to be able to physically handle the NBA grind. The expectation was that he was fall to 6 or 7, depending on if Randle was going to be drafted ahead of him. Hinkie surprised a lot of people taking him at 3. NO ONE thought there was any chance he was going to go higher than that.

[nolang1]

He has torn the same ACL twice. A third tear would seal his NBA career. He is an athletic slasher and his 3pt shot has improved this year even if it is a really slow and akward shot. But he is a selfish offensive player. When he gets the ball it is almost certainly going up. And he is a horrifyingly bad defender. These are the skills of a bench player yet he sees himself as a superstar; he sees himself as a player who should be getting max money and taking touches away from Giannis.

Agree 100 percent. He seems to have maintained his athleticism (which was never freakish to begin with) quite well after the ACL tears, but those injuries are cited as the sole reason he's not a superstar when they have nothing to do with his awful shot selection and defensive awareness. Last season before he tore it the 2nd time he was as healthy as one could expect him to be (2+ years post surgery) and he had the best year of his career: the problem was that he took more shot attempts per game to score 3 fewer points per game than Giannis, was nothing special in terms of passing or spacing the floor, and was bad enough on defense to cancel out all that he did on offense and then some.

I think the Hornets would be interested in a sign and trade of Parker/Henson for Howard, but only if Parker was willing to take a 2 year deal with a player option on the 2nd year. He's too high a risk to warrant a long-term deal.

Howard clogging the paint would be a terrible match for Giannis (while obviously being a massive upgrade on Henson but still a square peg in a round hole), if they do trade Jabari even a role playing center with range would be a better fit than Henson or Howard. Of course that likely makes their defense even worse but I think I new a coach/system is more of an answer for that than personnel.

It would be a similar concept to what Westbrook and Steven Adams do in OKC: the paint may appear clogged but it's a difficult decision for a big to offer help off someone who is a top-notch lob/putback guy, and anyone smaller than a center isn't really deterring Giannis around the rim anyway. I wanted to include Jabari in a trade for DeAndre Jordan at the deadline for a similar reason. Giannis has been playing well but I think it's clear that asking him to do all he does on offense while banging with opposing 5s who outweigh him is too much; if you're going to have him guarding 5s I think you'd have to go all-out on surrounding him with 4 shooters and just trying to win 135-130 type of games.

[LofJ]

I think the Hornets would be interested in a sign and trade of Parker/Henson for Howard, but only if Parker was willing to take a 2 year deal with a player option on the 2nd year. He's too high a risk to warrant a long-term deal.

Howard clogging the paint would be a terrible match for Giannis (while obviously being a massive upgrade on Henson but still a square peg in a round hole), if they do trade Jabari even a role playing center with range would be a better fit than Henson or Howard. Of course that likely makes their defense even worse but I think I new a coach/system is more of an answer for that than personnel.

A center that can either space the floor or who is quick enough to beat his man to the paint from the perimeter is definitely the ideal pairing for Giannis, but those guys are hard to attain. Frank Kaminsky would fit like a glove with Giannis, but I'd rather we hold onto Frank because I expect a better coach than Clifford will be able to get more out of him.

[jbent87]

Wasn't there a "who should the Bucks add to their Big 3 lineup" thread a few weeks ago? What happened?

[3Diamantidis]

Wasn't there a "who should the Bucks add to their Big 3 lineup" thread a few weeks ago? What happened?

It happened that there isn't a big3.
There is a star, a good sidekick when he's locked in, 2 pretty good role players and maybe a couple of guys that can be improved with a new coach. And that's it. Can't wait until the series with the celtics are over.
Bucks have a mountain to climb in the offseason. That's what happened.

[reborn123]

Conley is exactly who the Bucks need at point. A PG who can not only shoot but control the pace of the game and get people the ball where they need it.

Good eye. Conley can play off the ball too.

Lol, Gasol even him being older and not as good, would be a great fit for the Bucks.

Conley and Gasol for Jabari, Bledsoe and what else? We’d probably have to absorb some really bad contracts on the Bucks. Really tough decision for the Grizz. We don’t have the 1st round pick the draft next year and we want to try to win hard next year with a reloaded squad and hopefully any of JJJ, Bagley, Ayton or Doncic. But then again, some fans want to see Gasol and Conley succeed on other teams and/or trade both while they still have some value.

[LightTheBeam]

Wow I have been saying this for years. Once Giannis really started to come into his own during Parker's rookie season, people who thought it was going to be some 1A/1B thing between Parker and Giannis were horribly misguided. I can only imagine how many trade opportunities that would've greatly improved the Bucks' supporting cast were turned down based on some reasoning like "he's the #2 pick and was on the cover of SI in high school and gets buckets."

Even drafting Embiid over Parker was a pretty common-sense move at the time, but it seemed like ownership just wanted to sell tickets by going with a guy from Chicago (when the Bulls aren't awful you get some 50-50 crowds at Bucks home games against them) who was available to play immediately.

This is a COMPLETE rewriting of history.

Embiid had a broken foot, stress fractures in his back, and had bombed the few physicals he showed up for so bad it was the stuff of legend and half the league redlined him. He had never played a full HS season, didn't play the full college season and was going to have to sit out his rookie season.

The question in the draft was how far he was going to fall. He had enormous potential but there was no indication he was ever going to be able to physically handle the NBA grind. The expectation was that he was fall to 6 or 7, depending on if Randle was going to be drafted ahead of him. Hinkie surprised a lot of people taking him at 3. NO ONE thought there was any chance he was going to go higher than that.

I definitely don't remember anyone sayin he would fall to 6 or 7. That year was an absolute clear top 3 between parker, Wiggins and embid. Embid was regarded as by far the best prospect but the injury concerns were absolutely real.

That said I definitely remember that being a 3 man draft with Wiggins primarily touted as the #1 and the other 2 fighting over slots.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

I think the Hornets would be interested in a sign and trade of Parker/Henson for Howard, but only if Parker was willing to take a 2 year deal with a player option on the 2nd year. He's too high a risk to warrant a long-term deal.

Hornets should be interested in tanking. The Hornets signing Parker would only delay the inevitable.

[Karate Diop]

Wow I have been saying this for years. Once Giannis really started to come into his own during Parker's rookie season, people who thought it was going to be some 1A/1B thing between Parker and Giannis were horribly misguided. I can only imagine how many trade opportunities that would've greatly improved the Bucks' supporting cast were turned down based on some reasoning like "he's the #2 pick and was on the cover of SI in high school and gets buckets."

Even drafting Embiid over Parker was a pretty common-sense move at the time, but it seemed like ownership just wanted to sell tickets by going with a guy from Chicago (when the Bulls aren't awful you get some 50-50 crowds at Bucks home games against them) who was available to play immediately.

This is a COMPLETE rewriting of history.

Embiid had a broken foot, stress fractures in his back, and had bombed the few physicals he showed up for so bad it was the stuff of legend and half the league redlined him. He had never played a full HS season, didn't play the full college season and was going to have to sit out his rookie season.

The question in the draft was how far he was going to fall. He had enormous potential but there was no indication he was ever going to be able to physically handle the NBA grind. The expectation was that he was fall to 6 or 7, depending on if Randle was going to be drafted ahead of him. Hinkie surprised a lot of people taking him at 3. NO ONE thought there was any chance he was going to go higher than that.

No offense, but you seem to be COMPLETELY rewriting history... Embiid was locked in as a top three pick. The question was whether he'd go 1, 2 or 3 because of his injury history.

With that being said the Bucks should not be faulted for taking Jabari as he was also a tremendous prospect at the time... The Bucks had to decide on whether to gamble on Jabari or Embiid's injury history and they guessed wrong. It happens.

[getitdone323]

would anyone on here take him or wiggins over randle (just using what we have seen and not factoring contracts)