NBA TOP100, The Ultimate 2018-19 ranking [BONUS: Team Rankings]

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Re: NBA TOP100, The Ultimate 2018-19 ranking [BONUS: Team Rankings] 

Post#21 » by THE J0KER » Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:23 pm

CoreyGallagher wrote:Got to say, RealGM did quite well, especially compared to the other lists.

Out of TOP25, only in Victor Oladipo case, all three other lists have a lower ranking, and only in Paul George case all other rankings are higher. And I think in both these cases RealGM voters are actually more correct than ESPN, CBS, and SI experts, where George is overrated, and Oladipo underrated. I didn't mention Embiid case, because rankings of 9-9-10-11 are too similar, so no sense to talking about differences.
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Re: NBA TOP100, The Ultimate 2018-19 ranking [BONUS: Team Rankings] 

Post#22 » by Luigi » Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:39 pm

I would love to see a salary comparison to ranking.

Of course, different roles have different market values. And guys change after they get deals. But it'd still be interesting.
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Post#23 » by Luigi » Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:42 pm

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CoreyGallagher wrote:Got to say, RealGM did quite well, especially compared to the other lists.

Out of TOP25, only in Victor Oladipo case, all three other lists have a lower ranking, and only in Paul George case all other rankings are higher. And I think in both these cases RealGM voters are actually more correct than ESPN, CBS, and SI experts, where George is overrated, and Oladipo underrated. I didn't mention Embiid case, because rankings of 9-9-10-11 are too similar, so no sense to talking about differences.


If you allow ties, we were also high on Jokic and Gobert.

Of course, being a homer, I think we were wrong on Jokic, and right on Gobert. :lol:
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Post#24 » by THE J0KER » Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:09 pm

Luigi wrote:I would love to see a salary comparison to ranking.

Of course, different roles have different market values. And guys change after they get deals. But it'd still be interesting.

Here are 2018-19 salaries and salary ranks (see two green columns):
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And here is a list of players with $10M+ 2018-19 salaries which is not projected to be 2018-19 TOP100 players by any of this three sports media (ESPN, SI, CBS)
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Post#25 » by Luigi » Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:22 pm

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Luigi wrote:I would love to see a salary comparison to ranking.

Of course, different roles have different market values. And guys change after they get deals. But it'd still be interesting.

Here are 2018-19 salaries and salary ranks (see two green columns):
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And here is a list of players with $10M+ 2018-19 salaries which is not projected to be 2018-19 TOP100 players by any of this three sports media (ESPN, SI, CBS)
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This thread is my vote for best off season thread.
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Re: NBA TOP100, The Ultimate 2018-19 ranking [BONUS: Team Rankings] 

Post#26 » by THE J0KER » Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:29 pm

THE J0KER wrote:2018-19 NBA Teams Rank
(based on the individual rank of their players)

1. (W1) GSW - 48.06 (6)
2. (E1) BOS - 42.32 (7)
3. (W2) HOU - 36.13 (5)
4. (E2) PHI - 34.53 (6)
5. (W3) OKC - 31.95 (5)
6. (E3) TOR - 30.76 (7)
7. (W4) UTA - 30.56 (5)
8. (W5) DEN - 30.15 (5)
9. (W6) MIN - 28.78 (5)
10. (W7) NOP - 28.50 (4)
11. (E4) MIL - 28.13 (5)
12. (W8) LAL - 27.64 (5)
13. (E5) WAS - 26.10 (4)
14. (E6) IND - 25.54 (6)

15. (W9) POR - 25.09 (4)
16. (W10) SAS - 22.48 (4)
17. (E7) MIA - 19.51 (6)
18. (W11) MEM - 18.92 (3)
19. (E8) DET - 18.51 (3)
20. (W12) DAL - 18.06 (4)
21. (W13) PHO - 17.58 (4)
22. (W14) LAC - 15.84 (3)
23. (E9) CHA - 15.72 (2)
24. (E10) NYK - 15.01 (3)
25. (E11) ORL - 14.62 (3)
26. (E12) CLE - 14.02 (1)
27. (E13) CHI - 10.98 (1)
28. (E14) BKN - 10.98 (2)
29. (E15) ATL - 10.33 (2)

30. (W15) SAC - '' 9.49 (1)

BTW I edited little bit OP part with teams rankings with adding W/E conference rank mark, and now I'm shocked with the fact that #14 (2nd worst) ranked team on West (Clippers) have bigger star-power value than #9 team on East (Hornets)! Accumulated value of all Western teams are 389pts, while all Eastern Conference teams teams together have value of just 317pts.
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Post#27 » by Luigi » Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:37 pm

THE J0KER wrote:BTW I edited little bit OP part with teams rankings with adding W/E conference rank mark, and now I'm shocked with the fact that #14 (2nd worst) ranked team on West (Clippers) have bigger star-power value than #9 team on East (Hornets)! Accumulated value of all Western teams are 389pts, while all Eastern Conference teams teams together have value of just 317pts.


And that talent dearth at the bottom of the East is incredible.
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Post#28 » by THE J0KER » Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:49 pm

Luigi wrote:And that talent dearth at the bottom of the East is incredible.

It would be nice to see Butler on the East already next week, especially because of 4 TOP10 teams in NorthWest division is way too much.
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Post#29 » by Luigi » Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:53 pm

THE J0KER wrote:It would be nice to see Butler on the East already next week, especially because of 4 TOP10 teams in NorthWest division is way too much.


Yes, it is very crowded here.
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Post#30 » by THE J0KER » Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:48 am

TOP20 players include almost equal numbers of PG, SG, SF, PF, and C players!

PG
Stephen Curry
Russell Westbrook
Chris Paul
Damian Lillard
Kyrie Irving

SG
James Harden
Jimmy Butler
Victor Oladipo
Klay Thompson

SF
Kevin Durant
Kawhi Leonard
Paul George

PF
LeBron James
Anthony Davis
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Draymond Green

C
Joel Embiid
Nikola Jokic
Karl-Anthony Towns
Rudy Gobert
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Post#31 » by Luigi » Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:53 am

I count Thompson as a 2 myself. But that's a pretty nice spread.
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Post#32 » by THE J0KER » Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:37 am

Luigi wrote:I count Thompson as a 2 myself. But that's a pretty nice spread.

OK, fixed.

Here are the latest average Vegas odds on win totals:

63.5 Golden State Warriors
58.5 Boston Celtics
56.5 Houston Rockets
54.5 Toronto Raptors
53.5 Philadelphia 76ers
48.5 Utah Jazz
48.5 Oklahoma City Thunder
47.5 Indiana Pacers
49.5 Los Angeles Lakers
46.5 Denver Nuggets
46.5 Milwaukee Bucks
44.5 New Orleans Pelicans
44.5 Minnesota Timberwolves
43.5 Washington Wizards
44.5 San Antonio Spurs
41.5 Portland Trail Blazers
41.5 Miami Heat
38.5 Detroit Pistons
37.5 Los Angeles Clippers
35.5 Charlotte Hornets
34.5 Dallas Mavericks
33.5 Memphis Grizzlies
31.5 Brooklyn Nets
30.5 Orlando Magic
30.5 Cleveland Cavaliers
28.5 Chicago Bulls
28.5 Phoenix Suns
30.5 New York Knicks
26.5 Sacramento Kings
24.5 Atlanta Hawks

If we divide it on both conferences and compare with conference teams rankings from this thread, results will be very similar.

EAST
1. BOS - 42.32 (7) - Vegas East odds #1 (58.5)
2. PHI - 34.53 (6) - Vegas East odds #3 (53.5)
3. TOR - 30.76 (7) - Vegas East odds #2 (54.5)
4. MIL - 28.13 (5) - Vegas East odds #5 (46.5)
5. WAS - 26.10 (4) - Vegas East odds #6 (43.5)
6. IND - 25.54 (6) - Vegas East odds #4 (47.5)
7. MIA - 19.51 (6) - Vegas East odds #7 (41.5)
8. DET - 18.51 (3) - Vegas East odds #8 (38.5)
9. CHA - 15.72 (2) - Vegas East odds #9 (35.5)
10. NYK - 15.01 (3) - Vegas East odds #11 (30.5)
11. ORL - 14.62 (3) - Vegas East odds #11 (30.5)
12. CLE - 14.02 (1) - Vegas East odds #11 (30.5)
13. CHI - 10.98 (1) - Vegas East odds #14 (28.5)
14. BKN - 10.98 (2) - Vegas East odds #10 (31.5)
15. ATL - 10.33 (2) - Vegas East odds #15 (24.5)

WEST
1. GSW - 48.06 (6) - Vegas West odds #1 (63.5)
2. HOU - 36.13 (5) - Vegas West odds #2 (56.5)
3. OKC - 31.95 (5) - Vegas West odds #3 (48.5)
4. UTA - 30.56 (5) - Vegas West odds #3 (48.5)
5. DEN - 30.15 (5) - Vegas West odds #6 (46.5)
6. MIN - 28.78 (5) - Vegas West odds #7 (44.5)
7. NOP - 28.50 (4) - Vegas West odds #7 (44.5)
8. LAL - 27.64 (5) - Vegas West odds #5 (49.5)
9. POR - 25.09 (4) - Vegas West odds #10 (41.5)
10. SAS - 22.48 (4) - Vegas West odds #9 (44.5)
11. MEM - 18.92 (3) - Vegas West odds #13 (33.5)
12. DAL - 18.06 (4) - Vegas West odds #12 (34.5)
13. PHO - 17.58 (4) - Vegas West odds #14 (28.5)
14. LAC - 15.84 (3) - Vegas West odds #11 (37.5)
15. SAC - ' 9.49 (1) - Vegas West odds #15 (26.5)
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Post#33 » by THE J0KER » Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:02 pm

Another interesting split analysis about this is a list of Under-25 players (without 25y old). 34 such players are listed, and here is ranking:
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Post#34 » by Johnny Tomala » Fri Oct 5, 2018 12:21 am

SLAM is doing Top 50 for 2018-19 season so I think author of this The Ultimate ranking should do an update when Slam posts #1 player.

https://top50.slamonline.com/ so far they are at 16 with John Wall.
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Post#35 » by Prez » Fri Oct 5, 2018 12:24 am

Johnny Tomala wrote:SLAM is doing Top 50 for 2018-19 season so I think author of this The Ultimate ranking should do an update when Slam posts #1 player.

https://top50.slamonline.com/ so far they are at 16 with John Wall.

That list is so bad I honestly don't think we should add it to this lol.
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Post#36 » by Iplaytolose » Fri Oct 5, 2018 2:55 am

Luigi wrote:Not bad at all.

- Durant over Curry seems correct to me. Curry is more likeable, but Durant is a tad better.
- Westbrook seems to get the love he deserves.
- Paul George is probably getting love from memories of him pre-injury. I don't think he's as good as he's ranked here.
- Jokic seems a bit high to me, but he is still improving, so maybe not.
- Green is well loved. He does a ton. But I still think he's too high here.
- Towns is too high for me. Both he and Gobert are one dimensional, but Gobert's dimension is much more important (and I am one of the last post player lovers on the board).
- Simmons seems too high to me. Maybe it's my homer glasses and the Mitchell rookie stuff, but he needs to complete his game before he gets that kind of listing.


Also, I knew Utah was at a talent disparity against the Thunder last year, but boy, this list makes me that much more proud of the Round 1 spanking we administered. :D


Yeah Jokic was the first name that jumped out to me as a bit high...
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Post#37 » by Wolfgang630 » Fri Oct 5, 2018 3:05 am

KP is 45? Is it because of his injury?
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