Treadmilling Is Better Than Tanking

[dakomish23]

You think PHI is mad they tanked and got Embid & Simmons?

[ArtMorte]

Agreed. Tanking is the worst. Thank goodness they at least changed to odds a bit.

[Kabaum]

You're referencing teams that were never tanking in the first place. Maybe if the Magic committed to the tank instead of randomly going after a win-now piece in Ibaka, they would be in a better position right now.

They drafted a player who was 2nd overall. Kings had a top 5 big man and tanked for years with him and didn't make the playoffs. Pelicans drafted a player who's arguably a top 5 player in Anthony Davis and will likely have to trade him next season. Tanking fails more than 50% of the time.

We were not tanking with Cousins. We were in treadmilling purgatory. Teams like the Kings have to build through the draft. Tanking fails more than 50% of the time? Attempting to build a winning team fails more than 50% of the time.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

You think PHI is mad they tanked and got Embid & Simmons?

You think Denver is mad they didn't tank and got Jokic?

[CB3]

Where is the 50% number coming from? When has actual “tanking”, ever worked? And I don’t mean throwing away the occasional season because certain things aligned. I mean a sustained period of tanking that’s produced a championship team? Is Philadelphia proof enough?

[Goudelock]

Is this a troll thread, designed to bathe peole? Or is it just bad?

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Did you just respond to yourself?

[Feel_the_Heat15]

You think Denver is mad they didn't tank and got Jokic?

Answer the question

Of course the 76ers are happy but how many times per every 20 years can a team emulate what the 76ers did? I'd estimate 4 times. That means 26 other teams would have to find another way to construct an elite team within 20 years.

[dakomish23]

You think Denver is mad they didn't tank and got Jokic?

Answer the question

Of course the 76ers are happy but how many times per every 20 years can a team emulate what the 76ers did? I'd estimate 4 times. That means 26 other teams would have to find another way to construct an elite team within 20 years.

How many times per every 20 years has a team tried to emulate what the 76ers did?

[dc]

I’d rather my team tank than get on the treadmill that Charlotte and Detroit have gotten onto.

Detroit has more or less been a late lottery team for a decade now. They’ve even made “solid” picks with most of their 1st rounders. Picks that showed enough promise early on that people would spend at least a couple years considering them as building blocks for the future. But it hasn’t gotten them anywhere relevant.

The Charlotte franchise has 1 playoff series win since their inception in 2004. They’re on their way to another 38-40 win season, and that’s with their best player having a career year. They should probably try a different strategy, unless of course they’re happy with their results. Just saying...

[Baski]

Purposefully losing is as bad as it gets. Completely undermines the purpose of the draft.

[nolang1]

Answer the question

Of course the 76ers are happy but how many times per every 20 years can a team emulate what the 76ers did? I'd estimate 4 times. That means 26 other teams would have to find another way to construct an elite team within 20 years.

How many times per every 20 years has a team tried to emulate what the 76ers did?

The last time it was tried before the 76ers was the Thunder, who would've had multiple championships if their owners wanted to pay the luxury tax.

[nomansland]

Answer the question

Of course the 76ers are happy but how many times per every 20 years can a team emulate what the 76ers did? I'd estimate 4 times. That means 26 other teams would have to find another way to construct an elite team within 20 years.

How many times per every 20 years has a team tried to emulate what the 76ers did?

The Sonics did it after the sale but the ownership had the luxury of knowing that they could alienate an entire fan base with zero consequences. They also had the luxury of moving to a new market that still had patience to endure a bad team for a couple of years just because they were excited to have a team.

Denver tanked back in the day prior to getting Melo. It was a shorter-term blowing up of the team though.


Regardless, we have to keep in mind that Philly may have landed Embiid and Simmons but they also shanked a bunch of picks over their 6 year tank, and they're still far from a dynasty. They're arguably not even a top 5 team right now, or they're barely there.

[SF_Warriors]

You're referencing teams that were never tanking in the first place. Maybe if the Magic committed to the tank instead of randomly going after a win-now piece in Ibaka, they would be in a better position right now.

They drafted a player who was 2nd overall. Kings had a top 5 big man and tanked for years with him and didn't make the playoffs. Pelicans drafted a player who's arguably a top 5 player in Anthony Davis and will likely have to trade him next season. Tanking fails more than 50% of the time.

We were not tanking with Cousins. We were in treadmilling purgatory. Teams like the Kings have to build through the draft. Tanking fails more than 50% of the time? Attempting to build a winning team fails more than 50% of the time.

So basically the team OP uses as an example for his argument is actually the opposite. The kings got two top five picks after trading boogie and their future looks more promising than when they were treadmilling with him. Straight up clown post.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

Answer the question

Of course the 76ers are happy but how many times per every 20 years can a team emulate what the 76ers did? I'd estimate 4 times. That means 26 other teams would have to find another way to construct an elite team within 20 years.

How many times per every 20 years has a team tried to emulate what the 76ers did?

Usually, there's only 1 Embiid or Zion available in a draft class. If ten teams are tanking to get 2 of these kinds of players, it'd take like 20 years for every one of these teams to get 2 Embiid level prospects. Then you got to factor in drafts where none of the top 5 prospects become a superstar and teams that get a star but are no longer bad enough to tank.

[PhilBlackson]

It's all about having good management in either scenario.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

They drafted a player who was 2nd overall. Kings had a top 5 big man and tanked for years with him and didn't make the playoffs. Pelicans drafted a player who's arguably a top 5 player in Anthony Davis and will likely have to trade him next season. Tanking fails more than 50% of the time.

We were not tanking with Cousins. We were in treadmilling purgatory. Teams like the Kings have to build through the draft. Tanking fails more than 50% of the time? Attempting to build a winning team fails more than 50% of the time.

So basically the team OP uses as an example for his argument is actually the opposite. The kings got two top five picks after trading boogie and their future looks more promising than when they were treadmilling with him. Straight up clown post.

You're making it sound as though the Kings were perennially getting picks better than 10th overall. The Kings weren't "tanking" but when you get a talent like Cousins, how can you tank? Which is why trying to tank like the 76ers is a flawed plan. Also, what does trading away a player and getting a top 5 pick have to do with proving that tanking is rewarding? If tanking is consistently not being a bottom 5 team then would the Knicks be a treadmill team if Porzingas was healthy this season?

[Lalouie]

Not a single Eastern Conference that's going to make the playoffs this season has tanked except for the 76ers who had tremendous luck. Western Conference? OKC and they had to make a trade to get their best offensive player. It should be obvious by now that tanking gives you a very minimal chance at success. The data is all there. You have a much higher chance of being an elite team if you got a great front office that makes great choices during the Summer than a team that simply hopes to get a #1 pick by tanking. The Hornets and Pistons could've drafted Justise Winslow(who was suppose to go 7th-8th) and drafted worse players in Frank Kaminsky and Stanley Johnson. If tanking worked, teams like the Orlando Magicless and the Kings would've made the conference finals already. This narrative that you should tank over being consistently good never carried weight.

i think it's just "tanking" became a catch-word or catch-phrase and people are quick to assume it. all you're saying is it's better to be very good than sh***y. tanking is not a strategy and as you say philly got lucky, luck has everything to do with them and nothing to do with sound leadership. if simmons and enbiid had turned out to be "only" good instead of VERY GOOD, philly would be getting lambasted.

as for okc, for some inexplicable reason they refuse to find 3pt shooting. they've been overall miserable for a decade. even with kd, the best they managed was ONE YEAR in the top 10. treadmill is a sports version of kafkaesque - okc has been doing this on purpose imo. how is it possible for years on end that every other tyeam gets better shooters than okc

[tundraknight]

Nope.

A treadmill is basically like being in Hell/NBA Purgatory.

You’re stuck in mediocrity.

Never bad enough to have a chance at one of the Top Draft Picks for a potential Franchise Player, and nowhere near good enough to be a contender.

I Guarantee if you made a poll “Which is better, Treadmill or Tanking? Tanking would win by a landslide. I don’t even see how this is debatable.

Unless you’re content being mediocre for eternity.

[audiosway]

Ok. I'll bite. If treadmilling is better than tanking explain this.

Dallas Mavericks. Bad team through the 90s. They finally get Donnie Nelson in there and have a competent GM. Donnie drafts Dirk. 11 X 50 win season 2 finals appearances and a title. Then, Cuban gets the bright idea to treadmill in 2012. They do that for 6 years barely hanging around the 8 seed. Nothing.

Donnie once again tanks for a season and drafts Luka and Brunson this year. They are now starting to build around a 19 year old stud that is tearing up the league.

It's not just Philly getting lucky. It's smart front office moves combined with asset management. If you have no assets being at the top of the draft is the quickest way to get them.

[dakomish23]

Of course the 76ers are happy but how many times per every 20 years can a team emulate what the 76ers did? I'd estimate 4 times. That means 26 other teams would have to find another way to construct an elite team within 20 years.

How many times per every 20 years has a team tried to emulate what the 76ers did?

The Sonics did it after the sale but the ownership had the luxury of knowing that they could alienate an entire fan base with zero consequences. They also had the luxury of moving to a new market that still had patience to endure a bad team for a couple of years just because they were excited to have a team.

Denver tanked back in the day prior to getting Melo. It was a shorter-term blowing up of the team though.


Regardless, we have to keep in mind that Philly may have landed Embiid and Simmons but they also shanked a bunch of picks over their 6 year tank, and they're still far from a dynasty. They're arguably not even a top 5 team right now, or they're barely there.

They started the process the draft of 2013. They stopped tanking the draft of 2017. So it’s 4 years.

Yes, not everything worked. But they got as many bites at the apple and they got two perennial all stars.

Not a top 5 team right now. You’re speaking as if this their peak. It’s not even close. Their best years are ahead of them.