Has Lebron always been this whiny dude that doesn't take accountability for himself/failures?

[Hello Brooklyn]

I still don't understand why LeBron wanted to go to the Lakers.

LeBron and Maverick Carter have claimed on several occasions that LeBron wanted to win more Championships. He elected to the Lakers for no other reason than they were "The Lakers" and he wanted to live in Los Angeles.

This team clearly does not have the talent to win a Championship. Its a 35 win team with a bunch of young players who are learning how to play in the league. Its inane to expect them to be ready to become a title contender over night.

LeBron had other options. He could have stayed with the Cavs and might still be favored to make the Finals. He could have gone to Philly. He could have gone to Houston and played with Harden at his peak.

Instead he chose to go to a lottery team and is upset they're not good. It just makes no sense. Why did he go to the Lakers? It was a bad match from the start.

[RIP Kobe]

always, just that when he was in the east after he bitched to the media/league they would go on a run and win games... so people would say some nonsense bs "that's why he's the king"... can't do that now though can you?

damn loser. can't wait for this clown to retire.

[laika]

Let's put it this way. For 17 years now he's had a gigantic "chosen 1" tattoo.
Even by NBA standards Lebron is extremely egotistical. A very strong contender for GEOAT.*


*Greatest ego of all time.

[LKN]

This happens every year, everyone gets on Lebron and say the world is on fire and he's failing.

He will make the PO and may even upset anyone not named the Warriors.

No one sane denies that he's an all time great... I think that can be true while also being annoyed at how he throws his team under the bus in a passive aggressive fashion. There are a lot of superstars who don't do that and who shoulder the blame regardless of whether they are to blame or not.

To be fair he has to do a lot of heavy lifting.

Yestedsy Ingram and Kuzma were great but the D was completely off. Don't get me wrong, Lebron himself has really fallen off there but it's obviously all across the board.

Throwing teammates under the bus isn't a new theme for all time great players. Right or wrong, it has happened a lot. Kobe, MJ, Shaq...

I don't recall MJ doing it through the media though (at least not very often). MJ could clearly be a big time ahole behind the scenes.... but I always remember him taking the blame as a team after losses when talking to the media. Granted, I remember the 2nd threepeat (I was in college then) more vividly and MJ had really mastered the PR game by then.

Lebron is probably a much nicer dude than MJ, but then again I think people prefer it when you call them out to their face.

[laika]

I still don't understand why LeBron wanted to go to the Lakers.

LeBron and Maverick Carter have claimed on several occasions that LeBron wanted to win more Championships. He elected to the Lakers for no other reason than they were "The Lakers" and he wanted to live in Los Angeles.

This team clearly does not have the talent to win a Championship. Its a 35 win team with a bunch of young players who are learning how to play in the league. Its inane to expect them to be ready to become a title contender over night.

LeBron had other options. He could have stayed with the Cavs and might still be favored to make the Finals. He could have gone to Philly. He could have gone to Houston and played with Harden at his peak.

Instead he chose to go to a lottery team and is upset they're not good. It just makes no sense. Why did he go to the Lakers? It was a bad match from the start.

Lebron went to the Lakers because he believes that every star in the league is just dying to be thrown under the bus if Lebron fails to win. It isn't 2010 any more. We'll see if Lebron can manage to form another superteam.

[woosah]

Lebron is the best player on the planet and has been to the NBA finals 8 straight seasons.

The question should be, why is Lebron to blame for the Lakers failures this season when a) the team has been much better when he’s in the lineup and b) all he’s done throughout his career is win at a high level?

That's not the point though. He shouldn't be passively aggressively saying that in public. Keep it in house.

To me this has nothing to do with Lebron's impact on the court.

Part of the job of a superstar player is to take the blame when the team does poorly and praise his team-mates when it does well. That's basic leadership 101.

If you've ever had a professional job you can probably relate. Good bosses always give their team credit when things go well and take the blame when things go poorly (and then privately address issues with team members).

Thing is, he has no relationship with these guys so he wouldn't just have a talk with them. Even this quote kind of hints he has no relationship with his teammates in LA:

"I'm so huge on chemistry and camaraderie, and throughout the course of the season with injuries ... [they] have felt like it's taken a toll on our team," James said. "So hopefully we can get Zo back soon to kind of help that out. And hopefully we can start playing a little bit better, too."

He says the injuries have hurt the chemistry, but uhhh nah the pandering to trade them all and negative comments that deem them unworthy is what has probably taken a toll on your team Lebron. The camaraderie from past teams seems to be more that he was adored and gushed over and these guys seem over him/not so in awe of him and aren't ready to run through a wall for him.

[Steelo Green]

No one sane denies that he's an all time great... I think that can be true while also being annoyed at how he throws his team under the bus in a passive aggressive fashion. There are a lot of superstars who don't do that and who shoulder the blame regardless of whether they are to blame or not.

To be fair he has to do a lot of heavy lifting.

Yestedsy Ingram and Kuzma were great but the D was completely off. Don't get me wrong, Lebron himself has really fallen off there but it's obviously all across the board.

Throwing teammates under the bus isn't a new theme for all time great players. Right or wrong, it has happened a lot. Kobe, MJ, Shaq...

I don't recall MJ doing it through the media though (at least not very often). MJ could clearly be a big time ahole behind the scenes.... but I always remember him taking the blame as a team after losses when talking to the media. Granted, I remember the 2nd threepeat (I was in college then) more vividly and MJ had really mastered the PR game by then.

Lebron is probably a much nicer dude than MJ, but then again I think people prefer it when you call them out to their face.

Yeah I agree but MJ did say..

“We’re beating a lot of poor teams. So what? We won a lot of games last year, too. Will Horace and Bill still be playing at this level in the playoffs…Can Pip keep it up?”

“I hate being out there with those garbage men. They don’t get you the ball.”

“It’s probably a twelve-day. He needs two days to wake up.” – Michael on a ten-day contract teammate

“He was scared in there and panicking. He just lost it when Stockton scored.” – Michael on B.J. Armstrong’s mental fragility”

[Stillwater]

Why is he always throwing his team under the bus? Is he trying to sound smart or better for the cameras/media? How come he never takes blame/accountability for his own play or his own lack of defense and poor leadership.

When he's doing good or setting records, he is the first person that posts on IG patting his back. Or when his team is winning "this is our squad and I love them". Then literally the next day he calls his teammates losers that don't know how to win games.

How can any teammate want to play for him? This is why Kawhi, Durant, PG don't want to play with him and will go somewhere that there is no Lebron. He literally can't go 1 loss without throwing the whole team under the bus.

He has not always been this way, a lot of times in Cleveland he took full responsibility when his teammates where doing their jobs...yet they lost. But in this instance I think he is suggesting that younger players on the roster are a lost cause this season because they were mostly all on the block for Davis who is a client of Klutch. Lebron is not going to motivate that core of youth to do anything at this point and it's a lost season for the Lakers as a result/.

[LKN]

To be fair he has to do a lot of heavy lifting.

Yestedsy Ingram and Kuzma were great but the D was completely off. Don't get me wrong, Lebron himself has really fallen off there but it's obviously all across the board.

Throwing teammates under the bus isn't a new theme for all time great players. Right or wrong, it has happened a lot. Kobe, MJ, Shaq...

I don't recall MJ doing it through the media though (at least not very often). MJ could clearly be a big time ahole behind the scenes.... but I always remember him taking the blame as a team after losses when talking to the media. Granted, I remember the 2nd threepeat (I was in college then) more vividly and MJ had really mastered the PR game by then.

Lebron is probably a much nicer dude than MJ, but then again I think people prefer it when you call them out to their face.

Yeah I agree but MJ did say..

“We’re beating a lot of poor teams. So what? We won a lot of games last year, too. Will Horace and Bill still be playing at this level in the playoffs…Can Pip keep it up?”

“I hate being out there with those garbage men. They don’t get you the ball.”

“It’s probably a twelve-day. He needs two days to wake up.” – Michael on a ten-day contract teammate

“He was scared in there and panicking. He just lost it when Stockton scored.” – Michael on B.J. Armstrong’s mental fragility”

Were those actually said to the media? Honestly hard to remember. I wouldn't be surprised if MJ was much more of a dick earlier in his career publicly.

[GooniesNeverDie]

he has no one to blame but himself.. going into LA with your resume and not winning? going to affect his legacy for sure.

[BodieB]

always, just that when he was in the east after he bitched to the media/league they would go on a run and win games... so people would say some nonsense bs "that's why he's the king"... can't do that now though can you?

damn loser. can't wait for this clown to retire.

Loser? Nothing about his career or his life outside of basketball attaches that word to that man. I suggest some of you stop being so emotional about stuff like this. It's unhealthy.

[An Unbiased Fan]

Lebron is the best player on the planet and has been to the NBA finals 8 straight seasons.

The question should be, why is Lebron to blame for the Lakers failures this season when a) the team has been much better when he’s in the lineup and b) all he’s done throughout his career is win at a high level?

He made the Finals out of the EC though. I give Kobe & TD more credit for making the Finals out of the WC 7 & 6 times...while winning it 5 times. Lebron's has a losing record in the playoffs against WC teams.

[clyde21]

must be nauseating playing with Bron tbh...and the idea that he makes his teammates better is a myth perpetuated only by his fan boys

[Jazz9]

Never understood the point of criticizing your teammates publicly like that...
Make them resent you?
Because if you want to challenge them to be better you can do so in the locker room.

[RCM88x]

Why is he always throwing his team under the bus? Is he trying to sound smart or better for the cameras/media? How come he never takes blame/accountability for his own play or his own lack of defense and poor leadership.

When he's doing good or setting records, he is the first person that posts on IG patting his back. Or when his team is winning "this is our squad and I love them". Then literally the next day he calls his teammates losers that don't know how to win games.

How can any teammate want to play for him? This is why Kawhi, Durant, PG don't want to play with him and will go somewhere that there is no Lebron. He literally can't go 1 loss without throwing the whole team under the bus.

He has not always been this way, a lot of times in Cleveland he took full responsibility when his teammates where doing their jobs...yet they lost. But in this instance I think he is suggesting that younger players on the roster are a lost cause this season because they were mostly all on the block for Davis who is a client of Klutch. Lebron is not going to motivate that core of youth to do anything at this point and it's a lost season for the Lakers as a result/.

Yeah, he never said anything like this with the Cavs. I guess there were some weird dynamics the first year with Love but it was never a criticism of his play, or even direct criticism towards anyone.

[The_Hater]

Lebron is the best player on the planet and has been to the NBA finals 8 straight seasons.

The question should be, why is Lebron to blame for the Lakers failures this season when a) the team has been much better when he’s in the lineup and b) all he’s done throughout his career is win at a high level?

That's not the point though. He shouldn't be passively aggressively saying that in public. Keep it in house

That’s fair and I would agree with your point, but the OP wasn’t asking that exact question.

[LKN]

Lebron is the best player on the planet and has been to the NBA finals 8 straight seasons.

The question should be, why is Lebron to blame for the Lakers failures this season when a) the team has been much better when he’s in the lineup and b) all he’s done throughout his career is win at a high level?

That's not the point though. He shouldn't be passively aggressively saying that in public. Keep it in house

That’s fair and I would agree with your point, but the OP wasn’t asking that exact question.

Yeah I kind of ignored the OP I think and tried to start a better discussion

[The_Hater]

Lebron is the best player on the planet and has been to the NBA finals 8 straight seasons.

The question should be, why is Lebron to blame for the Lakers failures this season when a) the team has been much better when he’s in the lineup and b) all he’s done throughout his career is win at a high level?

He made the Finals out of the EC though. I give Kobe & TD more credit for making the Finals out of the WC 7 & 6 times...while winning it 5 times. Lebron's has a losing record in the playoffs against WC teams.

Everyone is aware that the east isn’t as strong but he made the finals 8 straight seasons and won 3 titles. And the season before the streak his Cavs team won 60 games with Mo Williams as the 2nd best players.

So what numbers are you looking for before you’re going to concede that he’s a winner? 8 finals and 7 titles? 8 titles? 9 titles??? Or is he automatically a loser because he was in the weaker conference? Is thst how it works?

Not sure how people are going to spin his track record into losing but they certainly seem to be giving it a shot these days. As ridiculous as that notion is. Even Laker fans such as yourself can’t appreciate his greatness. Too funny

[R-DAWG]

The Lebron/Lakers situation has potential to get very interesting if they strike out in free agency and don't get Davis. Lebron doesn't have the political capital that he had in Cleveland or even Miami, in both situations he was the best player in franchise history in terms of star player at his peak (Wade because of his longevity is the best player in Heat history) and he was in his prime. In Los Angles, they have won so many championships and have so many legendary players that they aren't going to drop everything to please 35 year old Lebron James the way Dan Gilbert would have if he stayed in Cleveland. The Lakers are going to want to take a long term approach to building the team where Lebron is going to want to trade future assets to put himself in the best position to win during the last years of his prime.

[thebigbird]

must be nauseating playing with Bron tbh...and the idea that he makes his teammates better is a myth perpetuated only by his fan boys

You're 100% wrong. Kevin Love and Chris Bosh both had their best TS% when playing with Lebron. Mo Williams was an all-star playing next to Lebron. He shot 42.9% and 43.6% from 3 on 5+ attempts the two years he played with Lebron. He never shot over 38.9% in any other season. Without Lebron he had more seasons under 37% (7) than over (4).