Fire Sam Presti - Enough is enough

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Re: Fire Sam Presti - Enough is enough 

Post#21 » by Optimus_Steel » Sat Jul 6, 2019 5:32 pm

I never understood why Presti failed so badly to surround Durant & RW with several 3pt shooters. All he had to do was get multiple shooters to space the floor and they prob would have won one title. Instead he kept investing in long guys that could not shoot. Total mismanagement. Bulls always surrounded MJ/Pippen with shooters, Shaq/Kobe had shooters. It should have been straight forward the type of players they should have acquired.
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Re: Fire Sam Presti - Enough is enough 

Post#22 » by WestbrookGOATed » Sat Jul 6, 2019 5:32 pm

Dirk wrote:Ibaka's expiring contract, eventually turned it into this:

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2022 LAC 1st (unprotected)
2023 Heat 1st (protected)
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2024 Clips first (unprotected)
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I'll never bad mouth Presti. He's a top 5 GM IMO.
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Re: Fire Sam Presti - Enough is enough 

Post#23 » by dautjazz » Sat Jul 6, 2019 5:36 pm

The truth is you don't know the window for the Clippers. There is a great chance that Thunder can get as many 3 solid lottery picks. If the Warrriors, Heat, and Cavs have taught us anything, 4-5 years is what a core lasts now a days.
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Re: Fire Sam Presti - Enough is enough 

Post#24 » by Shark » Sat Jul 6, 2019 5:38 pm

I think he got a good haul for PG, but I also don’t think it’d be a terrible idea to let him go at this point. We know who he is (at least within the context of working within a market/ownership such as OKC) and he may be able to bring in some talent during the draft, but I don’t think I could trust him to build around the talent via FA.

Then again thinking about it, I’m not sure very many could given the financial constraints in OKC.
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Post#25 » by ThunderBolt » Sat Jul 6, 2019 5:38 pm

Presti has made a lot of mistakes but I don't think this is one of them.
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Re: Fire Sam Presti - Enough is enough 

Post#26 » by substancej » Sat Jul 6, 2019 5:39 pm

Let him make the massive trade for Kevin Love THEN fire him
Kevin Love finna get traded
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Post#27 » by Ado05 » Sat Jul 6, 2019 5:40 pm

Fire Presti for not giving PG to the Raptors tbh
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Re: Fire Sam Presti - Enough is enough 

Post#28 » by Dan Z » Sat Jul 6, 2019 5:50 pm

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Dirk wrote:Ibaka's expiring contract, eventually turned it into this:

2021 MIA 1st (unprotected)
2022 LAC 1st (unprotected)
2023 Heat 1st (protected)
2023 LAC pick swap
2024 Clips first (unprotected)
2025 LAC pick swap
2026 LAC 1st (unprotected)
Shai-Gilgeous Alexander, Jerami Grant, Gallinari


Just don’t pull a Danny Angie and let these assets waste


Right now there's no star player available, so they'll just keep those assets.

Do they trade Westbrook? That seems to be what most people suggest. If they do that means a rebuild which also means that you keep those assets for the time being.
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Re: Fire Sam Presti - Enough is enough 

Post#29 » by The_Hater » Sat Jul 6, 2019 5:56 pm

GrindCityHustle wrote:He got lucky drafting 3 generational talents and managed to keep 1.

He is basically like Joe Dumars now at the end of his Pistons GM run. I doubt he makes it 2 more seasons with this team.


You don’t get lucky with his drafting record. Durant was a gimme at #2 but Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka, Adams, Sabonis, he plucked all of them with great scouting after other teams took lesser players.

As it is, Presti made a fantastic trade today and yet some people are all over him. He traded for PG, even though he was supposed to leave in 12 months, and re-signed him just long enough to strip the Clippers of just about every asset they have. Brilliant. He’s still one of the top handful of GM’s in the league.
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Post#30 » by NiL8r87 » Sat Jul 6, 2019 5:59 pm

Presti just set you up for a smooth rebuild, not sure what the issue is.
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Post#31 » by Teen Girl Squad » Sat Jul 6, 2019 6:00 pm

FNQ wrote:He'll find a healthy market for his services and the OKC job wont be desirable. Careful what you wish for


He was on my short wishlist for the Lakers when Magic quit. He isn't perfect, literally no GM is, but he's got a long track record for being one of the best talent evaluators in the league and won't have any trouble upgrading his situation if he wants it. Also, he just got a monster haul for PG. The same as the Pels got for AD except its not for the Lakers so apparently Presti's move is trash while Griffin is a genius.
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Re: Fire Sam Presti - Enough is enough 

Post#32 » by Forbes » Sat Jul 6, 2019 6:07 pm

There are a lot of GMs that are worse. But presto is also dealing with a cheap owner. That also factors in. He got a great haul for PG imo. But now is the team to put Westbrook on the block. This is a great time to rebuild looking at how many teams have 2 stars. In 3 years you may be in a different position. Plus OKC has a ton of picks if they need to grab a star or two at some point.
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Post#33 » by clyde21 » Sat Jul 6, 2019 6:08 pm

id gladly trade u Myers for Presti
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Post#34 » by Doctor MJ » Sat Jul 6, 2019 7:20 pm

Optimus_Steel wrote:I never understood why Presti failed so badly to surround Durant & RW with several 3pt shooters. All he had to do was get multiple shooters to space the floor and they prob would have won one title. Instead he kept investing in long guys that could not shoot. Total mismanagement. Bulls always surrounded MJ/Pippen with shooters, Shaq/Kobe had shooters. It should have been straight forward the type of players they should have acquired.


Well in '15-16 OKC got 5.6 3's per game from the role players in the playoffs. The '95-96 Bulls had 3.3. The reality is that the Bulls didn't do their building around Jordan/Pippen with basket-getters but rebounders. Yes they had some guys who could shoot, but it just wasn't anything that they led with, let alone went out and gotten against other franchises that were also pursuing shooters.

The Lakers in '00-01, their playoff peak also hit 5.6 3's per game for the record. I'd agree with you that they were better at acquiring shooting than the Thunder when you factor in era, but let's not pretend there was an utterly massive difference.

I think what has to be just recognized is that OKC never really got a system going. With Westbrook/Durant they always felt like they were getting by on sheer talent rather than something optimized. And of course it's felt the same with Westbrook post-Durant, and it's happened with more than one coach. I think the original sin here is not installing a system before these guys became superstars. That's something that comes with a serious cost so it's understandable why OKC didn't do this, but if you start realizing your point guard thinks like an individualist you need to give him more structure before he gets set in his ways.
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Post#35 » by timO » Sat Jul 6, 2019 7:49 pm

TimRobbins wrote:OKC fans should be happy with the PG trade. They got a good haul of picks.


Happy? they blow out the team, we are a trade away from being a serius contender (Love/Griffin) but the owners gone cheap again.
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Re: Fire Sam Presti - Enough is enough 

Post#36 » by Hello Brooklyn » Sat Jul 6, 2019 7:52 pm

Dude this may have been the greatest return for a star player of all time.

You're seriously mad at him for doing that?

George-Westbrook wasn't getting you past the first round.

The problem was Westbrook. He's impossible to play with.

Trade him away and start over. You will get another star in OKC through the draft.
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Post#37 » by Hello Brooklyn » Sat Jul 6, 2019 7:54 pm

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TimRobbins wrote:OKC fans should be happy with the PG trade. They got a good haul of picks.


Happy? they blow out the team, we are a trade away from being a serius contender (Love/Griffin) but the owners gone cheap again.


Love or Griffin would not have fixed the issues on this team.

Westbrook would still be chucking up 30 shots on terrible efficiency while mocking Lillard after winning 1 game.

He is and has always been the issue.
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Re: Fire Sam Presti - Enough is enough 

Post#38 » by Dino353 » Sat Jul 6, 2019 7:56 pm

The fact he got all those draft picks and what could be the most complete point guard in the game 3 years down the line in Shai is rather perfect. He soaked picks and a potential all-star from the Clippers which was much more than OKC and Minnesota got for him.
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Re: Fire Sam Presti - Enough is enough 

Post#39 » by timO » Sat Jul 6, 2019 7:56 pm

Sure, he is a mvp and triple double machine, one bad playoff series with injuries btw dont change that.

2018 exposed Lillard worst, and he comes back.
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Re: Fire Sam Presti - Enough is enough 

Post#40 » by JN61 » Sat Jul 6, 2019 7:58 pm

It's not Presti's fault it's one of smallest markets and the owner what he was at start of the run and we know how NBA players are about location.
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