Kawhi has become overrated

[TheGOATRises007]

Overrated in the sense that people think he's better than lebron lol. His great defense make up for his playmaking deficiency.

He's better than Lebron at the moment.

[Alex_De_Large]

He belongs to the top5 in the L along with Durant, Anteto, Lebron and Curry, how is that overrated.

[triple_threat]

Overrated in the sense that people think he's better than lebron lol. His great defense make up for his playmaking deficiency.

Well he was easily better than LBJ in 2019. That's not even arguable.

It most certainly is arguable. Start with the stats, then look at team records without Kawhi or Lebron playing. Finally, start arguing with yourself cause I will not engage further.

[cpower]

he is a winner but he needs to demonstrate his dominance in other aspect.

For example, winning a MVP..show up in RPM/RAPM leaderboard..

[The Laker Kid]

Kawhi aint no "dynasty slayer".. GSW slayed themselves with injuries.

[LakersSoul]

All i hear is dynasty stopper, best player in the league, carries teams to championships, and people trying to place really him really high up on all time lists (or say that he is on track to surpass certain players).

IMO, he is overrated. I know the pros, but some of the following are "cons" (in quotes because they are not necessarily bad things, but things that make him overrated)

1. raw career averages of only 17.7 / 6.3 / 2.4

2. myth - he stopped the miami heat dynasty - raw stats were right around his unimpressive career averages. obviously his defense doesn't always show up on the stat seat, but that victory was a total team effort. it is no more impressive than iggy's final's MVP - in fact, it is starkingly similar. one of the least impressive finals MVPs of all time.

3. myth - he stopped the gsw dynasty and carried the sorry raptors to a championship- he was obviously the clear cut best player on a championship team, but he did not carry a poor supporting cast nor can it be said (at least with a straight face) that he stopped the gsw dynasty. The raptors supporting cast is criminally underrated when Kawhi is talked about. Lowry - all-star, Siakim all-star level, Vanvleet - unsung hero, amazing team defence, etc, 18 - 4 regular season record without him. GSW's injuries stopped their dynasty IMO.

4. playmaking - among any conversation of all time great wings, his playmaking ability/court vision is relatively horrendous.

In spite of the all time great defence, with those unimpressive stats, inferior playmaking ability, and the fact (IMO) that he is not a dynasty stopper, going forward, please refrain from including him in any conversation with the likes of kobe bryant, lebron james, michael jordan, dwayne wade, larry bird, etc. He is more like scottie pippen than those guys (and that isn't supposed to be a knock).

Still only age 28, he has a lot of time to prove me wrong, but i doubt he will.

Kawhi if good/great but a bit overheating now.
He is surely going to feel Lakers love next season.

[Pharmcat]

He's one of the best players ever....still a backstabbing snake tho

[RocketsPacers]

Overrated in the sense that people think he's better than lebron lol. His great defense make up for his playmaking deficiency.

Well he was easily better than LBJ in 2019. That's not even arguable.

Because lbj was injured? And he beat the broken state warriors?

[Michael Jordan]

Man so many garbage threads by people who didn't watch the playoffs

we have to go allllll the way back to 2018 to see a better playoff performance (Lebron)... did you watch that year? Lebron gets hurt, the tune changes lol. Kawhi hurt the year before, he probably wasn't even a top 5 player lol. People go from one extreme to the other in an instant.

Coming into next season, with both guys healthy Lebron is easily better than Kawhi. Durant is injured, but when healthy he is always better than kawhi (go back to the OKC spurs matchups). Kawhi is not better than Anthony Davis IMO , but just landed in better circumstances IMO.

Newsflash: Lebron will be 35 in the 2020 playoffs while Kawhi will be 28. To suggest that Lebron will "easily" be better than Kawhi next year is ludicrous. At the end of the day the Clippers > Lakers.

Obviously Miami Lebron was the best player we've ever seen, but his prime is over. The narrative that Kawhi > Lebron applies right now, not all-time obviously. Davis is not better than Kawhi, that's something you'll find out in the playoffs when they play eachother, just like how people said Giannis> Kawhi

[ratul]

The only concern with anointing Kawhi is that he played 60 games. If he didn't have load management, he could have easily suffered the same fate as Durant and Klay. I am not sure he gets such royal treatment when PG is out. He is much more the focal point now which increases his injury risk.

[RoyceDa59]

Why would you look at career averages? So odd when he's clearly a 27/8/4 guy now. Weird.

He just averaged 30/8/4 shooting 50/40/85 and won the title.

But I do agree, he's become slightly overrated, as I still put James & Durant ahead of him.

is that after he left for the Clippers.. c'mon bruh.

If you can go find a post anywhere, ever, where I put Kawhi as #1 in the league, I'll give you $10,000.

Go check the past week and my praise of Clippers and how I'm cheering for them. I'm all over their team boards, go find it.

James is still #1 in my books, always has been until I see someone outplay him and beat his team in a 7-game playoff series.
Same goes for Durant.
Same with Kawhi, those are my top 3, in that order.

Come on BRUH....

[Benedict_Boozer]

He might not be as good as Lebron, or someone like Kobe - but the guy is a beast.

I still remember him straight MAULING the prime Warrior squad before the Zaza cheap shot, he looked like MJ in his prime.

[Quattro]

I agree. Golden State was missing like 2.5 all stars and Kawhi barely beat them. Kawhi also had all stars like Lowry and Gasol, and even Siakam to an extent.

He ain’t LeBron.

Give me a break. But for a historically bad 6 minute stretch in the 3rd quarter of game 2, the series would have been a 4 game sweep.

This thread is just silly. How anyone can say he’s overrated after his run in this years playoffs is beyond me.

[Yogatti]

surprise surprise, a Raptors fan made this thread. Brag about this one championship you have while trashing the player that won the title for you.

[MarcusBrody]

He's only overrated if people think he is the clear #1 player in the league (which to be fair, some people seemed to after the playoff run). I think he's a top five player, though, and can see no argument that he isn't a top 10 player.

So, I think that as soon as the excitement of the title free agency chase wears off a little bit, he'll be again correctly rated as one of a group of super elite players.

[Beethoven]

All i hear is dynasty stopper, best player in the league, carries teams to championships, and people trying to place really him really high up on all time lists (or say that he is on track to surpass certain players).

IMO, he is overrated. I know the pros, but some of the following are "cons" (in quotes because they are not necessarily bad things, but things that make him overrated)

1. raw career averages of only 17.7 / 6.3 / 2.4

2. myth - he stopped the miami heat dynasty - raw stats were right around his unimpressive career averages. obviously his defense doesn't always show up on the stat seat, but that victory was a total team effort. it is no more impressive than iggy's final's MVP - in fact, it is starkingly similar. one of the least impressive finals MVPs of all time.

3. myth - he stopped the gsw dynasty and carried the sorry raptors to a championship- he was obviously the clear cut best player on a championship team, but he did not carry a poor supporting cast nor can it be said (at least with a straight face) that he stopped the gsw dynasty. The raptors supporting cast is criminally underrated when Kawhi is talked about. Lowry - all-star, Siakim all-star level, Vanvleet - unsung hero, amazing team defence, etc, 18 - 4 regular season record without him. GSW's injuries stopped their dynasty IMO.

4. playmaking - among any conversation of all time great wings, his playmaking ability/court vision is relatively horrendous.

In spite of the all time great defence, with those unimpressive stats, inferior playmaking ability, and the fact (IMO) that he is not a dynasty stopper, going forward, please refrain from including him in any conversation with the likes of kobe bryant, lebron james, michael jordan, dwayne wade, larry bird, etc. He is more like scottie pippen than those guys (and that isn't supposed to be a knock).

Still only age 28, he has a lot of time to prove me wrong, but i doubt he will.

This post should be chiseled into granite.

[Up-And-Coming]

He’s a late bloomer who has had a history of health issues, which would be the biggest concerns I would have.

He’s had two seasons where he was elite (clear top 5 player) and last season he was arguably the best player, although he missed a big chunk of the regular season.

If he’s well rested and healthy, he is a clear top 3 player in the league.

I understand some people’s hesitation though, as he doesn’t have an extensive track record to go off of on top of his health concerns, but the guy still is only 27 years old so his all-time career ranking can change immensely depending on his success in the next 7 years.

[lonzo_pelota]

if GS was at full strength it would of a been a three peat, just saying. Raptors got lucky like GS did in years past with injuries, doesnt discount the chip just they would of been throttled had KD been healthy

[NBA Sheady]

His time with the Clippers will show us who he really is.

[Dick Tate]

"Finally, start arguing with yourself cause I will not engage further." - OP

LMAO