What is Gersson Rosas doing?

[AssistRubio]

Didn’t Rosas get hired after the season? Once Jones was set to become a RFA? Not his fault Jones didn’t get moved before the deadline. Once he hits RFA, he’s no longer an asset.

Having him under a reasonable contract makes him an asset.

[Klomp]

I know Rosas has some skeptics in Minnesota, but I see this coming together very nicely. With this news of going for a max slot next summer, I get what they're doing.

As I posted on the Minnesota subforum, the 2020-21 salary cap is projected at $118 million, last I saw. That would put the rookie extension max slot at $29,500,000. Which means the goal is to get our 2020 cap down from $99,540,316 to $88,500,000. That's actually pretty doable.

It won't take much to clear $11 million off the cap in a year. That actually is pretty reasonable, especially with some of the pieces we have. If we cannot trade him outright, stretching the final year of Dieng's contract actually makes up the entire difference of the money we need to clear for a max slot.

Then you look at some of the pieces we have. At the deadline or next summer, I start looking at where I can take chances on upside. One example I've looked at is something like Covington for Tatum as the start of a deal. That trade actually even clears money next year before Tatum's likely extension kicks in, and we'd be talking about adding a 21-year old Tatum to 20-year old Culver and 23-year old Towns, plus whoever we want to bring in with the max slot either in FA or trade (does 23-year old Russell become an option again?).

[AssistRubio]

I know Rosas has some skeptics in Minnesota, but I see this coming together very nicely. With this news of going for a max slot next summer, I get what they're doing.

As I posted on the Minnesota subforum, the 2020-21 salary cap is projected at $118 million, last I saw. That would put the rookie extension max slot at $29,500,000. Which means the goal is to get our 2020 cap down from $99,540,316 to $88,500,000. That's actually pretty doable.

It won't take much to clear $11 million off the cap in a year. That actually is pretty reasonable, especially with some of the pieces we have. If we cannot trade him outright, stretching the final year of Dieng's contract actually makes up the entire difference of the money we need to clear for a max slot.

Then you look at some of the pieces we have. At the deadline or next summer, I start looking at where I can take chances on upside. One example I've looked at is something like Covington for Tatum as the start of a deal. That trade actually even clears money next year before Tatum's likely extension kicks in, and we'd be talking about adding a 21-year old Tatum to 20-year old Culver and 23-year old Towns, plus whoever we want to bring in with the max slot either in FA or trade (does 23-year old Russell become an option again?).

So basically once again the Wolves are asking fans to be patient after initially giving the idea that they would be players this off season (that came from Rosas, not me).

There isn't time to be patient anymore. The clock will be ticking with KAT. He's going to want out if things don't turn around. How do you expect things to turn around with the roster they have right now?

[Klomp]

So basically once again the Wolves are asking fans to be patient after initially giving the idea that they would be players this off season (that came from Rosas, not me).

Don't twist what Rosas has said. He never said they would be players just THIS OFFSEASON. This is a continual search. But to do that, you need some sort of flexibility.

They are always going to be on the hunt for star players. But in the process of doing that, you don't tie up $9 million on a career backup PG, that's just not smart money management.

“The support of (owner) Glen Taylor and his vision and what we need to do in order to maximize Karl’s window forces you an urgency to do things the right way. Not just right now, but the right way. As we look at that window of time for Karl, we want to make sure that we’ve got pieces in place that can grow and develop with him and can peak at the right time.”

https://theathletic.com/1050871/2019/06/28/wolves-free-agency-primer-to-chase-or-not-to-chase-that-is-the-question/

[baldur]

is it for sure that they are not matching the offer for tyus jones?

[AssistRubio]

So basically once again the Wolves are asking fans to be patient after initially giving the idea that they would be players this off season (that came from Rosas, not me).

Don't twist what Rosas has said. He never said they would be players just THIS OFFSEASON. This is a continual search. But to do that, you need some sort of flexibility.

They are always going to be on the hunt for star players. But in the process of doing that, you don't tie up $9 million on a career backup PG, that's just not smart money management.

“The support of (owner) Glen Taylor and his vision and what we need to do in order to maximize Karl’s window forces you an urgency to do things the right way. Not just right now, but the right way. As we look at that window of time for Karl, we want to make sure that we’ve got pieces in place that can grow and develop with him and can peak at the right time.”

https://theathletic.com/1050871/2019/06/28/wolves-free-agency-primer-to-chase-or-not-to-chase-that-is-the-question/

$9 mill for Tyus is fine. Especially given our PG situation and his age. You disagree, thats fine.

But our roster is much worse right now than the day Rosas took over. That isn't even a debate. You might see that as a plus, but I don't. Especially with a player like KAT. We are just wasting a year.

[Klomp]

We are just wasting a year.

You may think it's wasting a year, but it's that kind of smart cap/asset management that can allow a team the opportunity to make a big move at a later date.

Think about the moves the Clippers made over the past two years, tearing down the team of Paul/Redick/Griffin/Jordan. Many of the moves they made could be seen as moves that were just wasting years. Meanwhile, look what the Clippers have done now. They've cleared all of their albatross contracts off the books and now have Paul George and Kawhi Leonard to show for it.

[Klomp]

is it for sure that they are not matching the offer for tyus jones?

Yes. Decision came down 90 minutes ago.

[Shaka_Zulu]

Time to tank for high pick in PG loaded draft class?


Because I don't get giving away Tyus when Teague and Napier are only here for upcoming season.

[Tukkerwolf]

So basically once again the Wolves are asking fans to be patient after initially giving the idea that they would be players this off season (that came from Rosas, not me).

Don't twist what Rosas has said. He never said they would be players just THIS OFFSEASON. This is a continual search. But to do that, you need some sort of flexibility.

They are always going to be on the hunt for star players. But in the process of doing that, you don't tie up $9 million on a career backup PG, that's just not smart money management.

“The support of (owner) Glen Taylor and his vision and what we need to do in order to maximize Karl’s window forces you an urgency to do things the right way. Not just right now, but the right way. As we look at that window of time for Karl, we want to make sure that we’ve got pieces in place that can grow and develop with him and can peak at the right time.”

https://theathletic.com/1050871/2019/06/28/wolves-free-agency-primer-to-chase-or-not-to-chase-that-is-the-question/

But our roster is much worse right now than the day Rosas took over. That isn't even a debate.

I would like to start that debate. We lost Tyus, Gibson and Saric. We gained Culver, Bell, Vonleh, Nowell and Napier. If Culver is half as good as advertised I think it's an improvement. And we're getting younger. Saric would have been gone next summer anyway so good assett management there.
Taj was just old and too expensive. Tyus will definitely be missed and I blame our previous FO for not extending him for 6 M a year.

I love what Rosas has done and give our off season a B.

[giberish]

I know Rosas has some skeptics in Minnesota, but I see this coming together very nicely. With this news of going for a max slot next summer, I get what they're doing.

As I posted on the Minnesota subforum, the 2020-21 salary cap is projected at $118 million, last I saw. That would put the rookie extension max slot at $29,500,000. Which means the goal is to get our 2020 cap down from $99,540,316 to $88,500,000. That's actually pretty doable.

It won't take much to clear $11 million off the cap in a year. That actually is pretty reasonable, especially with some of the pieces we have. If we cannot trade him outright, stretching the final year of Dieng's contract actually makes up the entire difference of the money we need to clear for a max slot.

Then you look at some of the pieces we have. At the deadline or next summer, I start looking at where I can take chances on upside. One example I've looked at is something like Covington for Tatum as the start of a deal. That trade actually even clears money next year before Tatum's likely extension kicks in, and we'd be talking about adding a 21-year old Tatum to 20-year old Culver and 23-year old Towns, plus whoever we want to bring in with the max slot either in FA or trade (does 23-year old Russell become an option again?).

I'm not sure the point in having a 25% max contract slot is for Minny next summer. Even if you get a guy to sign, they'll be RFA's - so you'd need their current team to not match. Which means you'd only get players whose current teams don't think are worth big money.

There's a lot to be said with filling your roster with useful players on good value contracts (if at all possible), as a better option then chasing cap room. First you win more and are seen as a well-run team, making you more attractive to outside players (granted, being in NY/LA also helps). Second, if a team trading a star that you're interested in wants actual good players back, you likely have some in house to offer (ideally with enough other good players to keep for credible depth). Third, if you do need the cap room you can trade good players on good deals directly for cap room and possibly even get extra incentive.

So it really comes down to whether Jones is a good value deal. I think he will be, but it's not the clear win that Jones at $6M/yr would be. IMO still worth matching.

[igorbianch]

I know Rosas has some skeptics in Minnesota, but I see this coming together very nicely. With this news of going for a max slot next summer, I get what they're doing.

As I posted on the Minnesota subforum, the 2020-21 salary cap is projected at $118 million, last I saw. That would put the rookie extension max slot at $29,500,000. Which means the goal is to get our 2020 cap down from $99,540,316 to $88,500,000. That's actually pretty doable.

It won't take much to clear $11 million off the cap in a year. That actually is pretty reasonable, especially with some of the pieces we have. If we cannot trade him outright, stretching the final year of Dieng's contract actually makes up the entire difference of the money we need to clear for a max slot.

Then you look at some of the pieces we have. At the deadline or next summer, I start looking at where I can take chances on upside. One example I've looked at is something like Covington for Tatum as the start of a deal. That trade actually even clears money next year before Tatum's likely extension kicks in, and we'd be talking about adding a 21-year old Tatum to 20-year old Culver and 23-year old Towns, plus whoever we want to bring in with the max slot either in FA or trade (does 23-year old Russell become an option again?).

Why would Ainge trade Tatum for Robert fricking Covington?

[Tukkerwolf]

Time to tank for high pick in PG loaded draft class?


Because I don't get giving away Tyus when Teague and Napier are only here for upcoming season.

We'll see. As much as I like him, Tyus wasn't going to be the starting PG of the future anyway so the plan shouldn't have changed that much. A backup PG can be found for cheap every year.
There will always be opportunities for trades for starting PGs, next to FA and drafting.

[Klomp]

We'll see. As much as I like him, Tyus wasn't going to be the starting PG of the future anyway so the plan shouldn't have changed that much. A backup PG can be found for cheap every year.

Biggest reason why this was the right move.

Paying a backup PG $9 million/year would've been worse asset management than letting Jones go for nothing.

[ShotCreator]

Tyra Jones is a good two-way player. He is gonna be a sneaky double double guy in Memphis.

People oooking at his shooting splits are missing the point. His AST/TOV ratio is nuts.

That said Napier is of the exact same mold and is the most similar player to him in the NBA.

Both much better than Teague regardless.

[giberish]

We'll see. As much as I like him, Tyus wasn't going to be the starting PG of the future anyway so the plan shouldn't have changed that much. A backup PG can be found for cheap every year.

Biggest reason why this was the right move.

Paying a backup PG $9 million/year would've been worse asset management than letting Jones go for nothing.

I guess that's the difference of opinion. I see 3 potential roles for Jones going forward where he'd be worth $9M/yr. Either as a split-time option at PG with another similar-quality player, a backup to a quality starter who gets extra minutes in 2pg sets, or a role-player 5th starter ideally next to a star SG (somehow).

For Memphis he could start as a split-time PG option before transitioning to a backup who gets extra minutes in 2pg sets (Memphis looks thin/weak at SG).

[walk with me]

Mostly pr to build faith in the Minnesota fans.


The entire Minnesota situation is really just a countdown until kat follows his other uk big man alumni and goes to greener pastures... likely the clippers, heat, knicks, nets or Mavericks.

The owner is horrible and hamstrings everyone working for him time and time again. The wiggins move was also horrible (owner was responsible for it).

[Klomp]

He is gonna be a sneaky double double guy in Memphis.

He gonna start over Ja Morant?

[Tukkerwolf]

The owner is horrible and hamstrings everyone working for him time and time again.

That's why Rosas seems refreshing. Everything he does is opposite of what was done in the past and Rosas seems like the guy who doesn't dance to Glens tune. Matching Tyus is typically something Glen would be advocating for. (like with the Wiggins situation)

[AssistRubio]

Don't twist what Rosas has said. He never said they would be players just THIS OFFSEASON. This is a continual search. But to do that, you need some sort of flexibility.

They are always going to be on the hunt for star players. But in the process of doing that, you don't tie up $9 million on a career backup PG, that's just not smart money management.

“The support of (owner) Glen Taylor and his vision and what we need to do in order to maximize Karl’s window forces you an urgency to do things the right way. Not just right now, but the right way. As we look at that window of time for Karl, we want to make sure that we’ve got pieces in place that can grow and develop with him and can peak at the right time.”

https://theathletic.com/1050871/2019/06/28/wolves-free-agency-primer-to-chase-or-not-to-chase-that-is-the-question/

But our roster is much worse right now than the day Rosas took over. That isn't even a debate.

I would like to start that debate. We lost Tyus, Gibson and Saric. We gained Culver, Bell, Vonleh, Nowell and Napier. If Culver is half as good as advertised I think it's an improvement. And we're getting younger. Saric would have been gone next summer anyway so good assett management there.
Taj was just old and too expensive. Tyus will definitely be missed and I blame our previous FO for not extending him for 6 M a year.

I love what Rosas has done and give our off season a B.

Saric will be a RFA in the summer. Why would he be gone? We could have matched any offer.

The Wolves have lost:

Derrick Rose
Taj Gibson
Dario Saric
Tyus Jones

They have added:
Jarrett Culver
A bunch of scrubs

Yup. Way better team.