How much is Chris Paul overpaid by?

[ThomYorke]

I don't understand why everyone is **** ing on Chris and the Rockets for that contract.

How can anyone expect the union president of the NBA Players Association to take a pay cut? That's setting a terrible precedent and undermines the entire reason as to why the union exists in the first place. Do a lot of you not understand how unions work?

Its a **** contract yes, but Chris was entitled to it per the criteria outlined within CBA and I wouldn't expect a player in his position to take anything less.

I think people are mad that he helped negotiate the supermax and used it to his own benefit. But honestly I think people have to look in the mirror and say they would do otherwise? We're talking $350M

Houston offered him the Supermax, the only one to blame for this contract is Houston's FO

[LakersLegacy]

At age 34 - CP3 needs to play with at least 2 other max players to be a contender.

So that leaves 20 mil per year or less for CP3 if he wants to win. Or 25 mil if he wants to mentor on a lottery team.

[LakersLegacy]

I don't understand why everyone is **** ing on Chris and the Rockets for that contract.

How can anyone expect the union president of the NBA Players Association to take a pay cut? That's setting a terrible precedent and undermines the entire reason as to why the union exists in the first place. Do a lot of you not understand how unions work?

Its a **** contract yes, but Chris was entitled to it per the criteria outlined within CBA and I wouldn't expect a player in his position to take anything less.

I think people are mad that he helped negotiate the supermax and used it to his own benefit. But honestly I think people have to look in the mirror and say they would do otherwise? We're talking $350M

Houston offered him the Supermax, the only one to blame for this contract is Houston's FO

And they got Westbrook for CP3 + 2 late first round picks and swaps that will never convey. Small price to pay to keep Harden and get Westbrook.

[LakersSoul]

I think Chris Paul is worth between 15-20 million at max. He is not a max player and Houston was lucky OKC was dumb enough to take him for Russ. In honesty, it should have been 1-2 more picks given to OKC at a minimum.

[ThatBoyNick]

I'm going to go with his current number of years because there's way to many variables if you change that. If Paul were a FA this year and wanted a 3-year deal I bet he'd get around 90 million.

So he's overpaid IMO, by a total of 34 million, and 11 mill per year. That's what I'd THINK he'd get on the market, considering what guys like Horford/Harris/Rubio etc got.

Now, what I think he'd actually be worth and what I'd be comfortable having him at? 3/75 declining. Nearly 50 mill overpaid and about 16 mill per year overpaid. So only about 60% of what he's actually making. I think Tobias/Horford/Westbrook as similarly overpaid, I think Wiggins is the worst deal in the league as he seems like a guy who's worth no more than 10 mill per.

[hoosierdaddy34]

I see him getting 2 for 40 million if he was a FAright now.

[ThatBoyNick]

I see him getting 2 for 40 million if he was a FAright now.

When Horford is getting 4/100, Rozier 3/57, Rubio 3/51, CoJo 3/37? Paul only gets 2/40? No way brah.

[spikeslovechild]

Why isn't underpaid an option?

There is an option for 32 million that is as close as it gets. This isn't a thread for personal opinion my question was if he was a free agent what would he have received. The max is 32.7 million with 5 percent raises and he received more that.

So he at the minimum is overpaid by 15 million because 3/109 is the max of what he'd be entitled as a free agent. I mean if Horford got 4 years I would like to think probably some team would have offered at least 3 for 90-109.milllion So honestly I don't think Paul is as overpaid as everyone lets on. He can't frontline a team but he can be the third guy as part of big three at least for a season or two.

I think a major problem for Houston was they weren't willing to take on bad contracts or trade Paul without getting another big name back well that severely limits your options for a contract that is already hard to move. I don't think OKC will have those problems whether or not there is a spot for him this late is another story

[iggymcfrack]

I thought the poll was total when I voted. He’s worth like 3/90.

[hoosierdaddy34]

I see him getting 2 for 40 million if he was a FAright now.

When Horford is getting 4/100, Rozier 3/57, Rubio 3/51, CoJo 3/37? Paul only gets 2/40? No way brah.

He’s 34. Hasn’t played 62 games in the last 3 years. His shooting and production is declining. His skills are noticeably declining. 2 for 40 seems generous.

[ThatBoyNick]

Why isn't underpaid an option?

There is an option for 32 million that is as close as it gets. This isn't a thread for personal opinion my question was if he was a free agent what would he have received. The max is 32.7 million with 5 percent raises and he received more that.

So he at the minimum is overpaid by 15 million because 3/109 is the max of what he'd be entitled as a free agent. I mean if Horford got 4 years I would like to think probably some team would have offered at least 3 for 90-109.milllion

That's not Pauls max bro. 32.7 is the 9 year or under max 30% max, Pauls as a 10+ year vet is eligible for the 35% max. He could have signed a starting salary of 38.1 mill this offseason if he were a FA.

[pr0wler]

I see him getting 2 for 40 million if he was a FAright now.

When Horford is getting 4/100, Rozier 3/57, Rubio 3/51, CoJo 3/37? Paul only gets 2/40? No way brah.

He’s 34. Hasn’t played 62 games in the last 3 years. His shooting and production is declining. His skills are noticeably declining. 2 for 40 seems generous.

While I don't disagree with the overall sentiment in this post, I think saying 20M is generous for a Top 5-10 PG in the league is a bit harsh. There are many players 1 or 2 tiers below him are getting around 20M/season as is.

[Fantastik_Goat]

I see him getting 2 for 40 million if he was a FAright now.

When Horford is getting 4/100, Rozier 3/57, Rubio 3/51, CoJo 3/37? Paul only gets 2/40? No way brah.

Yeah, but you have to remember, Chris Paul is an un likable d-bag that nobody wants to play with.

[NBAFan93]

He’d probably get a two year deal for about 24-26 mil each year. Maybe a little more.

[bargnanimvp]

Hard to say overpaid then talk about if he were a free agent this season.

His deal at the time he was given it was about 10 mil too much per year (or too many years) and that'd make sense based on how they were an injury away from possibly making the finals and needed to keep him.

Based on what he'd get as a FA then yeah, he is probably 20+ million overpaid based on his age and last season.

[hoosierdaddy34]

When Horford is getting 4/100, Rozier 3/57, Rubio 3/51, CoJo 3/37? Paul only gets 2/40? No way brah.

He’s 34. Hasn’t played 62 games in the last 3 years. His shooting and production is declining. His skills are noticeably declining. 2 for 40 seems generous.

While I don't disagree with the overall sentiment in this post, I think saying 20M is generous for a Top 5-10 PG in the league is a bit harsh. There are many players 1 or 2 tiers below him are getting around 20M/season as is.

They aren’t 34, having increased injuries, and slipping both statistically and skill wise. And as it’s been stated, it’s not he is a good locker room guy. It’s not like you can count on him being a good veteran presence if he does completely break down. There are huge reasons and red flags why teams wouldn’t invest in him heavily long term. Which is why he is a net negative contract with moving him at least two first round picks.

[pr0wler]

He’s 34. Hasn’t played 62 games in the last 3 years. His shooting and production is declining. His skills are noticeably declining. 2 for 40 seems generous.

While I don't disagree with the overall sentiment in this post, I think saying 20M is generous for a Top 5-10 PG in the league is a bit harsh. There are many players 1 or 2 tiers below him are getting around 20M/season as is.

They aren’t 34, having increased injuries, and slipping both statistically and skill wise. And as it’s been stated, it’s not he is a good locker room guy. It’s not like you can count on him being a good veteran presence if he does completely break down. There are huge reasons and red flags why teams wouldn’t invest in him heavily long term. Which is why he is a net negative contract with moving him at least two first round picks.

Obviously he is a net negative making over 160M for the next 4 seasons, that wasn't the original debate. You stated that 2 years 40M for Chris Paul seems generous, his current contract has nothing to do with the hypothetical scenario. If you believe he is overpaid at 20M, fair enough, but mentioning his 40M contract as being overpaid is a red herring.

[karkinos]

cp3 earned his money
even with the injuries, he has consistently been named one of the best point guards throughout his entire career and was dubbed a future hall of famer just 3 years in and put every single team he has been on on the map, whether it was new orleans/charlotte or los angeles.
people overlook this fact but cp3 can nearly guarantee you a playoff appearance whereas this is not the same for guys like anthony davis

[meekrab]

About half.

[Hroz]

He's got 3 years left.
From what I've seen.

I would be hoping to get him for
$20-25 million 2019-20
$10-20 million $2020-21
$2-10 million 2021-22