Jamal Crawford

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Re: Jamal Crawford 

Post#21 » by HeartBreakKid » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:22 am

LukaMagic wrote:Going by the responses in this thread, he actually is underrated.. Cmon guys, Jamal was and still is a fun player to watch and root for. Killer of the bench with ridiculous shot making ability. Lou Will is pretty much Jamal 2.0.

I was always a fan.


Lazy player

Awkward build for his position

Dumb as rocks on both sides of the ball

He's 6'5 and averages 2 rebounds per game

Poor passer for how ball dominant he is

Can't play off ball, basically cannot shoot if he hasn't taken two dribbles

His only skill is scoring, and he can't do it in the post season - his efficiency is beyond awful when games actually matter - not even a 50 TS% shooter in the post season

He's a pretty bad player...I mean there is a thread where people are making fun of Andrew Wiggins, everything you can say about Andrew Wiggins applies to Jamal Crawford except even worse. The only thing he can do is score, and he can't even do it well - seems like a scrub to me. Only team he could stay on was the clippers, and Doc Rivers got demoted for a reason.
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Re: Jamal Crawford 

Post#22 » by Dominator83 » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:29 am

HeartBreakKid wrote:
LukaMagic wrote:Going by the responses in this thread, he actually is underrated.. Cmon guys, Jamal was and still is a fun player to watch and root for. Killer of the bench with ridiculous shot making ability. Lou Will is pretty much Jamal 2.0.

I was always a fan.


Lazy player

Awkward build for his position

Dumb as rocks on both sides of the ball

He's 6'5 and averages 2 rebounds per game

Poor passer for how ball dominant he is

Can't play off ball, basically cannot shoot if he hasn't taken two dribbles

His only skill is scoring, and he can't do it in the post season - his efficiency is beyond awful when games actually matter - not even a 50 TS% shooter in the post season

He's a pretty bad player...I mean there is a thread where people are making fun of Andrew Wiggins, everything you can say about Andrew Wiggins applies to Jamal Crawford except even worse. The only thing he can do is score, and he can't even do it well - seems like a scrub to me.

Well to be fair, Jamal was never getting paid $30 million a year like Wiggins is!

And as a Bulls fan, I remember being excited and drinking the Kool-Aid on him, curry, and Chandler. We l thought the 3 C's were going to develop into a stud core. Especially after their strong finish in the 03 season. It was very 2019 Atlanta hawks-esqu. Didn't take long to see that we would be highly disappointed.
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Re: Jamal Crawford 

Post#23 » by Gooner » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:01 am

jpengland wrote:'Dude' has consistently been a big negative for the recent past.

Hes done(and has been for a while) and shouldn't be in the NBA at this point in his career.


Stop it, he was always a great sixth man. His skill and tenacity have made him a valuable weapon.
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Re: Jamal Crawford 

Post#24 » by Gooner » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:05 am

HeartBreakKid wrote:
LukaMagic wrote:Going by the responses in this thread, he actually is underrated.. Cmon guys, Jamal was and still is a fun player to watch and root for. Killer of the bench with ridiculous shot making ability. Lou Will is pretty much Jamal 2.0.

I was always a fan.


Lazy player

Awkward build for his position

Dumb as rocks on both sides of the ball

He's 6'5 and averages 2 rebounds per game

Poor passer for how ball dominant he is

Can't play off ball, basically cannot shoot if he hasn't taken two dribbles

His only skill is scoring, and he can't do it in the post season - his efficiency is beyond awful when games actually matter - not even a 50 TS% shooter in the post season

He's a pretty bad player...I mean there is a thread where people are making fun of Andrew Wiggins, everything you can say about Andrew Wiggins applies to Jamal Crawford except even worse. The only thing he can do is score, and he can't even do it well - seems like a scrub to me. Only team he could stay on was the clippers, and Doc Rivers got demoted for a reason.


Yeah, Doc Rivers is a bum lol. Maybe you have forgotten, but he is a champion, he definitely knows what he is doing. If he viewed Jamal Crawford as an important player, than there is a reason for that. One of the best sixth men ever, he played his role to perfection. He was a volume scorer that every team had to game plan for. The purpose of his game wasn't to satisfy those who watch "advanced" stats lol. His game was based on skill and he was a great player to watch.
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Re: Jamal Crawford 

Post#25 » by Arteezy » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:11 am

Dupp wrote:He’s probably been the worst player in the nba over his career. No one has hurt their team more than him.

FTFY.


There is a reason why this guy has the record for most seasons and games without a playoff game. He is so detrimental to a team.
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Re: Jamal Crawford 

Post#26 » by jpengland » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:20 am

Gooner wrote:
jpengland wrote:'Dude' has consistently been a big negative for the recent past.

Hes done(and has been for a while) and shouldn't be in the NBA at this point in his career.


Stop it, he was always a great sixth man. His skill and tenacity have made him a valuable weapon.


Nope.

Has hurt his team for the last 4 years.
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Re: Jamal Crawford 

Post#27 » by Gooner » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:29 am

jpengland wrote:
Gooner wrote:
jpengland wrote:'Dude' has consistently been a big negative for the recent past.

Hes done(and has been for a while) and shouldn't be in the NBA at this point in his career.


Stop it, he was always a great sixth man. His skill and tenacity have made him a valuable weapon.


Nope.

Has hurt his team for the last 4 years.


Not true at all, he was an important member of those Clipper teams.
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Re: Jamal Crawford 

Post#28 » by jpengland » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:36 am

Gooner wrote:
jpengland wrote:
Gooner wrote:
Stop it, he was always a great sixth man. His skill and tenacity have made him a valuable weapon.


Nope.

Has hurt his team for the last 4 years.


Not true at all, he was an important member of those Clipper teams.


Every single metric shows him as hurting his team whilst on court for the last 4 seasons (and most of the seasons of his career, actually).

He has always been a chucker, undersized for his position and a terrible defender. As he gets older those flaws are just exacerbated.

Hes a terrible, terrible player at this point and should be nowhere near the league.
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Re: Jamal Crawford 

Post#29 » by Gooner » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:48 am

jpengland wrote:
Gooner wrote:
jpengland wrote:
Nope.

Has hurt his team for the last 4 years.


Not true at all, he was an important member of those Clipper teams.


Every single metric shows him as hurting his team whilst on court for the last 4 seasons (and most of the seasons of his career, actually).

He has always been a chucker, undersized for his position and a terrible defender. As he gets older those flaws are just exacerbated.

Hes a terrible, terrible player at this point and should be nowhere near the league.


Those "metrics" can show a lot of things. It's just random numbers that don't mean anything. People use them to spport their narratives, btu when those numbers don't make any sense, they just dismiss them.
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Re: Jamal Crawford 

Post#30 » by Dupp » Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:20 am

Gooner wrote:
jpengland wrote:
Gooner wrote:
Not true at all, he was an important member of those Clipper teams.


Every single metric shows him as hurting his team whilst on court for the last 4 seasons (and most of the seasons of his career, actually).

He has always been a chucker, undersized for his position and a terrible defender. As he gets older those flaws are just exacerbated.

Hes a terrible, terrible player at this point and should be nowhere near the league.


Those "metrics" can show a lot of things. It's just random numbers that don't mean anything. People use them to spport their narratives, btu when those numbers don't make any sense, they just dismiss them.



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Re: Jamal Crawford 

Post#31 » by RakimAbdulJabar » Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:25 am

Was annoyed when the Bulls traded him, to the Knicks of all teams. He was my favourite Bull at the time. He’s definitely not as bad as people are making out
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Re: Jamal Crawford 

Post#32 » by HeartBreakKid » Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:29 am

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Gooner wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:
LukaMagic wrote:Going by the responses in this thread, he actually is underrated.. Cmon guys, Jamal was and still is a fun player to watch and root for. Killer of the bench with ridiculous shot making ability. Lou Will is pretty much Jamal 2.0.

I was always a fan.


Lazy player

Awkward build for his position

Dumb as rocks on both sides of the ball

He's 6'5 and averages 2 rebounds per game

Poor passer for how ball dominant he is

Can't play off ball, basically cannot shoot if he hasn't taken two dribbles

His only skill is scoring, and he can't do it in the post season - his efficiency is beyond awful when games actually matter - not even a 50 TS% shooter in the post season

He's a pretty bad player...I mean there is a thread where people are making fun of Andrew Wiggins, everything you can say about Andrew Wiggins applies to Jamal Crawford except even worse. The only thing he can do is score, and he can't even do it well - seems like a scrub to me. Only team he could stay on was the clippers, and Doc Rivers got demoted for a reason.


Yeah, Doc Rivers is a bum lol. Maybe you have forgotten, but he is a champion, he definitely knows what he is doing.
Oh yeah? How come he isn't President anymore?

Know what you're talking about before "loling" - he won a championship as a coach, not a GM.


If he viewed Jamal Crawford as an important player, than there is a reason for that.
Because he plays favorites? You think he was playing Austin Rivers because he was good or big baby davis?

Let me know how important Jamal Crawford going 1-11 is for the Clippers. Literally had to be carried every time, huge reason why the Clippers couldn't get over the hump.

One of the best sixth men ever, he played his role to perfection. He was a volume scorer that every team had to game plan for. The purpose of his game wasn't to satisfy those who watch "advanced" stats lol. His game was based on skill and he was a great player to watch.

Why are you quoting advance stats, he is bad by every stat and pretty much any semblance of logic. His game is based on taking **** isolation jump shots. Being great to watch has nothing to do with being great at basketball, I have no idea why you can't understand this.

Btw, quote one thing I said about Jamal Crawford that was wrong. Please let me know how I am objectively wrong that he is a awful defender, bad passer and averages 2 rebounds per game (if you're going to lol, at least lol at that).

But this is a poster who thinks Kyrie Irving was a top 5 player because his game is pretty, and then shut up when Kyrie couldn't do anything against real defenses. Your bias for "pretty" looking players is borderline insane.

He's not even close to being one of the best 6th man ever, but you're going to just use a circular argument like he has 6th man of the year awards. Let me know how he is in the same class as Iguodalla, who he won 6th man of the year awards over or Isaiah Thomas, or Lou Williams. He didn't deserve any of his awards while he played in LA.

So again

Awful defender
Awful rebounder
Awful passer
Awful off ball game
Inefficient scorer


Good player?

Wonder why he's on so many teams in his career. How come all the contenders aren't picking him up? Hey, at least he has a pretty cross over, what ever that is worth.
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Re: Jamal Crawford 

Post#33 » by Gooner » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:09 am

HeartBreakKid wrote:[
Gooner wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:
Lazy player

Awkward build for his position

Dumb as rocks on both sides of the ball

He's 6'5 and averages 2 rebounds per game

Poor passer for how ball dominant he is

Can't play off ball, basically cannot shoot if he hasn't taken two dribbles

His only skill is scoring, and he can't do it in the post season - his efficiency is beyond awful when games actually matter - not even a 50 TS% shooter in the post season

He's a pretty bad player...I mean there is a thread where people are making fun of Andrew Wiggins, everything you can say about Andrew Wiggins applies to Jamal Crawford except even worse. The only thing he can do is score, and he can't even do it well - seems like a scrub to me. Only team he could stay on was the clippers, and Doc Rivers got demoted for a reason.


Yeah, Doc Rivers is a bum lol. Maybe you have forgotten, but he is a champion, he definitely knows what he is doing.
Oh yeah? How come he isn't President anymore?

Know what you're talking about before "loling" - he won a championship as a coach, not a GM.


If he viewed Jamal Crawford as an important player, than there is a reason for that.
Because he plays favorites? You think he was playing Austin Rivers because he was good or big baby davis?

Let me know how important Jamal Crawford going 1-11 is for the Clippers. Literally had to be carried every time, huge reason why the Clippers couldn't get over the hump.

One of the best sixth men ever, he played his role to perfection. He was a volume scorer that every team had to game plan for. The purpose of his game wasn't to satisfy those who watch "advanced" stats lol. His game was based on skill and he was a great player to watch.

Why are you quoting advance stats, he is bad by every stat and pretty much any semblance of logic. His game is based on taking **** isolation jump shots. Being great to watch has nothing to do with being great at basketball, I have no idea why you can't understand this.

Btw, quote one thing I said about Jamal Crawford that was wrong. Please let me know how I am objectively wrong that he is a awful defender, bad passer and averages 2 rebounds per game (if you're going to lol, at least lol at that).

But this is a poster who thinks Kyrie Irving was a top 5 player because his game is pretty, and then shut up when Kyrie couldn't do anything against real defenses. Your bias for "pretty" looking players is borderline insane.

He's not even close to being one of the best 6th man ever, but you're going to just use a circular argument like he has 6th man of the year awards. Let me know how he is in the same class as Iguodalla, who he won 6th man of the year awards over or Isaiah Thomas, or Lou Williams. He didn't deserve any of his awards while he played in LA.

So again

Awful defender
Awful rebounder
Awful passer
Awful off ball game
Inefficient scorer


Good player?

Wonder why he's on so many teams in his career. How come all the contenders aren't picking him up? Hey, at least he has a pretty cross over, what ever that is worth.


I don't care about Jamal Crawford's rebounding, why are you even bringing that up? He played with DeAndre Jordan and Blake Griffin, it was their job to rebound.He is not a great defender either, but he is a better passer than you think. He is a professional scorer and he should be appreciated as such. You just look at field goal percentage, but you have to take into account the difficulty of the shots.

I would definitely put him in the same class as Lou Williams, even though Lou is a little bit better. He is a bad rebounder too, does that matter to you?

I was talking about Doc's coaching acumen, not about him as a president of basketball operations. You can accuse him of playing favourites with Austin Rivers, and that was a big part of the reason why that president title was taken away from him, but Crawford is not his son. He played him because he needed a scorer off the bench, and he was damn good in his role.
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Re: Jamal Crawford 

Post#34 » by The_Hater » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:22 am

cellphonecamera wrote:Dude has been overrated his whole career. He is a scoring machine and he has been in the NBA since 2000.
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Fixed your post.

Playing absolutely no defense and firing up inefficient offense season after season doesn’t make a player underrated, but the exact opposite. Not sure about the scoring machine part either, 17.9 pp36 isn’t exactly a huge number. But he did steal a couple of 6 man awards off a far superior player in Andre Iguodala.

And the reason he didn’t play on a lot of great teams in his career is that he was part of the problem, not the solution. He’s lucky he was able to find CP3 and Blake with the Clippers because every other franchise he played for for pretty bad.
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Post#35 » by Maf » Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:05 pm

Player I would hate to have on team I root for. But one of the most exciting players if he had HIS DAY. That crossover was pure beauty to watch.
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Re: Jamal Crawford 

Post#36 » by jpengland » Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:32 pm

Gooner wrote:
jpengland wrote:
Gooner wrote:
Not true at all, he was an important member of those Clipper teams.


Every single metric shows him as hurting his team whilst on court for the last 4 seasons (and most of the seasons of his career, actually).

He has always been a chucker, undersized for his position and a terrible defender. As he gets older those flaws are just exacerbated.

Hes a terrible, terrible player at this point and should be nowhere near the league.


Those "metrics" can show a lot of things. It's just random numbers that don't mean anything. People use them to spport their narratives, btu when those numbers don't make any sense, they just dismiss them.


Yeah, OK. Were done here.
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Re: Jamal Crawford 

Post#37 » by jpengland » Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:45 pm

Maf wrote:Player I would hate to have on team I root for. But one of the most exciting players if he had HIS DAY. That crossover was pure beauty to watch.



This sums him up very well.

Watching a YouTube video of his highlights is wonderful.

Watching him play for a team you root for his horrible.
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Re: Jamal Crawford 

Post#38 » by Gooner » Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:46 pm

jpengland wrote:
Gooner wrote:
jpengland wrote:
Every single metric shows him as hurting his team whilst on court for the last 4 seasons (and most of the seasons of his career, actually).

He has always been a chucker, undersized for his position and a terrible defender. As he gets older those flaws are just exacerbated.

Hes a terrible, terrible player at this point and should be nowhere near the league.


Those "metrics" can show a lot of things. It's just random numbers that don't mean anything. People use them to spport their narratives, btu when those numbers don't make any sense, they just dismiss them.


Yeah, OK. Were done here.


Please show me those metrics and prove me wrong. I would like to see such a perfectly objective method of player evaluation.
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Re: Jamal Crawford 

Post#39 » by Gooner » Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:47 pm

jpengland wrote:
Maf wrote:Player I would hate to have on team I root for. But one of the most exciting players if he had HIS DAY. That crossover was pure beauty to watch.



This sums him up very well.

Watching a YouTube video of his highlights is wonderful.

Watching him play for a team you root for his horrible.


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Re: Jamal Crawford 

Post#40 » by Bologna Smasher » Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:52 pm

Always been of a fan of his. Awesome talent and great character guy. Even with all the flaws he has, I think it's saying something about his talent and scoring ability that he has been able to carve out a 19 year career and has always had a meaningful role in the league up until the past couple years.

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