Is Brandon Ingram a max player and the MIP

[Pythagoras]

No.

The pelicans have been much better with him off the court than on the court up to last I checked maybe 1-2 games ago.

He can out up points but there's more to the NBA than points.

You insist on repeating the same thing, even though it has already been explained to you. When the initial fluke (for example garbage time) with the on/off will be over, you will lose your one and only ridiculous argument.

You say fluke yet it's been a consistent theme over his whole career thus far.

The odds are in favour of it continuing than not.

Well after you’ve been proven wrong this season hopefully you’ll own it.

[lordjeff05]

Countless people on this site, neckbeard twitter, and excel sheet twitter told me that Ingram was not a good player and he was tiers below Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown. I wish i bookmarked some of the pages, but one guy literally wrote an essay using BI's metrics to show that he will amount to a below average to average player. These same people would laugh at us lakers fans when we kept telling you he would be good, but all that mattered was his advanced stats VORP, PER, etc

He can score at all 3 levels efficiently now, be a playmaker/ even run your offense, and still play solid defense when has to (dropped a bit this season, but in a new system)


...but if he was still laker, people will find anything to dismiss his success.


NOP didnt even give him an offer, i hope he tells Griffin to go **** himself


Get your bag BI, you deserve it.

First off, this is a new leve for Ingram, he’s never played like this before. Yeah, he’s had stretches of good scoring, but nothing like the consistent efficient scoring including the threes they space the floor and make the team better.

If he averaged 25 a game on 60 ts as a laker, he might still be a laker.

And the Pels didn’t offer him a contract because he was coming off of injury.

Forgetting about Ingram’s efficiency, and his improved passing and rebounding numbers, give me an example of a 22 year old who averaged 25 a game that didn’t get the max. This is a no brainer. He will get it and he is worth it.

He’s got the ability to get his own shot and the vision to spread it around. He can guard his own position and switch, and now he’s got a dangerous three ball they spreads the floor and creates opportunities for others. He no longer needs the ball to be effective.

Also you saw tonight an Ingram that was capable of giving the offense what was needed. He attack and drew fouls when his shot wasn’t working. He didn’t force the issue in the midrange but instead started to spot up and hit 3s which opened up his drvonf lanes which he used to seal the game. That’s a description of a complete offensive player.

When Zion gets back, BI will be even more dangerous becuase so much attention will be devoted to jrue and Lonzo picks and rolls with Zion. There will be more open shots off side screens and via challenging close outs. I really think 25 a game is sustainable.

BI has been a welcome surprise this year.

[hoosierdaddy34]

No.

The pelicans have been much better with him off the court than on the court up to last I checked maybe 1-2 games ago.

He can out up points but there's more to the NBA than points.

You insist on repeating the same thing, even though it has already been explained to you. When the initial fluke (for example garbage time) with the on/off will be over, you will lose your one and only ridiculous argument.

You say fluke yet it's been a consistent theme over his whole career thus far.

The odds are in favour of it continuing than not.

Ummm elephant in the room....

Per 82games.com the Lakers .4 pts net per 100 possessions better with Ingram on them off last year.

So how is that a consistent theme? You just counting his numbers as a underdeveloped 19 year old only?

[Sulico]

I pity the fool who signs him for max.

But to answer your question, yes, he is. If somebody signs him for max, he is max player, by definition.
And one thing you can count on in NBA is dumb GMs who love dat sweet PPG stat.

[macNcheese3]

This can’t be a serious question? Yes, Ingram is a max player. Look at all the other guys who got max money or aren’t nearly as productive or good as Ingram. He deserves it.

[hoosierdaddy34]

Countless people on this site, neckbeard twitter, and excel sheet twitter told me that Ingram was not a good player and he was tiers below Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown. I wish i bookmarked some of the pages, but one guy literally wrote an essay using BI's metrics to show that he will amount to a below average to average player. These same people would laugh at us lakers fans when we kept telling you he would be good, but all that mattered was his advanced stats VORP, PER, etc

He can score at all 3 levels efficiently now, be a playmaker/ even run your offense, and still play solid defense when has to (dropped a bit this season, but in a new system)


...but if he was still laker, people will find anything to dismiss his success.


NOP didnt even give him an offer, i hope he tells Griffin to go **** himself


Get your bag BI, you deserve it.

First off, this is a new leve for Ingram, he’s never played like this before. Yeah, he’s had stretches of good scoring, but nothing like the consistent efficient scoring including the threes they space the floor and make the team better.

If he averaged 25 a game on 60 ts as a laker, he might still be a laker.

And the Pels didn’t offer him a contract because he was coming off of injury.

Forgetting about Ingram’s efficiency, and his improved passing and rebounding numbers, give me an example of a 22 year old who averaged 25 a game that didn’t get the max. This is a no brainer. He will get it and he is worth it.

He’s got the ability to get his own shot and the vision to spread it around. He can guard his own position and switch, and now he’s got a dangerous three ball they spreads the floor and creates opportunities for others. He no longer needs the ball to be effective.

Also you saw tonight an Ingram that was capable of giving the offense what was needed. He attack and drew fouls when his shot wasn’t working. He didn’t force the issue in the midrange but instead started to spot up and hit 3s which opened up his drvonf lanes which he used to seal the game. That’s a description of a complete offensive player.

When Zion gets back, BI will be even more dangerous becuase so much attention will be devoted to jrue and Lonzo picks and rolls with Zion. There will be more open shots off side screens and via challenging close outs. I really think 25 a game is sustainable.

BI has been a welcome surprise this year.

Right now people are just so caught up in their own emotions from screaming that he was a bust all those years because they hated the Lakers. So now they are grasping for any reason to discredit this kid to save face for themselves. It’s an amazing dynamic that people have created for themselves and the lengths they will go to just not admit they were wrong. Kudos for not falling into that emotional trap yourself.

[pavementplmokn]

But But I thought that Lakers young guys were trash and they could never make a deal for AD since they were worthless

Now maybe everyone is realisizng that the injuries (and poor fits) screwed the Lakers last year. BI has legit all star potential. Maybe even potential to be a #2 on a team if Zion is that true #1.

whats funny is we all got dismissed as homers because they didnt believe BI would end up being a really good player (and hes only 22!)

I mean the pelicans SB blog site literally kept calling the lakers offer trash


It just show the lakers hate is so so so deep, sadly the level hate you see for them is similar to KKK and ppl of color.

Dude, it's just sports. That's a terrible comparison.

[MemphisX]

The best thing that happened to BI was when the Lakers forced him to play PG.

[AussieRules]

The best thing that happened to BI was when the Lakers forced him to play PG.

You might have a point there. His court vision and guard skills for a wing is truly amazing.

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[Slava]

Zion is Ingram's Pippen.

[Rastas]

Probably not max due to his health history , but between 20 to 25 mill a year is about right .

[Fencer reregistered]

It just show the lakers hate is so so so deep, sadly the level hate you see for them is similar to KKK and ppl of color.

People lynch Laker players, or burn crosses on their lawns as a threat to?

[LakersSoul]

Watching him destroy the suns right now both offensively and defensively. Even with Jrue Holiday on the floor, he’s become the Pels go to player and closer. He has 14 points in the 4th quarter so far and counting.
28pts/8rebs/5asts shooting 3-6 from beyond the arc with 2blks, 1stl and a game high +22 against a very good suns team.

The HumbleBeast is about to get paid!

I don’t think Ingram is a max level player YET. He has the potential and the skill set for a high, high ceiling. Lakers fans know how good Ingram is and can be.

That said, you know he gets the max unless he suffers an injury. Max is not that big deal in NBA and if NO doesn’t max him I am sure there are 5-6 teams hoping to max him.

Plus he JUST turned 22. That’s how young he is and how much upside he has.

[Jon1798]

Ingram has been fantastic. No other way to say it. He has been the perfect compliment to Jrue, giving Jrue a second ball handler but not having to really insert another “point guard”. The chemistry between the two of them gets better every game.

Add in the fact that Ingram is a SF in a league so desperate for wings, and so young at 22, he is absolutely a max player. Only injury would stop that from happening (knock on wood).

[andyo]

He's not a max player right now but I think he will get it if he keeps this up

[Johnny Bball]

You would max Simmons and not Ingram? Look at it that way.

[Tomazan]

Why would you pay supermax for a player who won't win you chip? What's the point?

[dcstanley]

I pity the fool who signs him for max.

But to answer your question, yes, he is. If somebody signs him for max, he is max player, by definition.
And one thing you can count on in NBA is dumb GMs who love dat sweet PPG stat.

Do you consider Ben Simmons worthy of the max?

[Sulico]

I pity the fool who signs him for max.

But to answer your question, yes, he is. If somebody signs him for max, he is max player, by definition.
And one thing you can count on in NBA is dumb GMs who love dat sweet PPG stat.

Do you consider Ben Simmons worthy of the max?

Is he woth it? No. He have max player potential, but his progression, or I should say regression, scares me.
Do I think he will be max player? Yes. I've seen worse players getting paid max money.

[aliasxn]

No. Even if he could keep up his current production, he is too brittle. He has barely any milieage under his belt and he he's already missed almost 60 games in his career. Already missed some this season too. It pains me to say this but him, Lonzo and Kuz are made of glass. Can you imagine him playing 82 games + deep playoff runs being the focal point of defenses? How much of your team's cap are you willing to commit on player you can't count on?