All Giannis does is travel, charge to the hole and can’t play in half court set. How is he in top 5 NBA players talks?

[TheBoi10]

He got exposed in fiba

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[LesGrossman]

These takes crazy, not even top 5??

If a guy with 1 move can be top 5 player in the NBA, that means the sport is crap and takes no skill. The fact the Heat have made him so pointless shows it takes more than driving to the hole to be a champion.

You just learned today that size and athleticism is the most important quality in an NBA player, didn't you?

Its not. Fortunately so.

[Oscar9992]

40 y.o. Varejao owned him in FIBA last year

Watch on YouTube

[dockingsched]

Giannis is totally dependent on the fact that regular season teams can’t develop and much less implement game plans designed to stop him. Teams use generic defensive schemes designed to be one size fits all. Give teams the time to expose Giannis’ many weaknesses and he’s going to struggle.

[Tor_Raps]

All Shaq did was push people around the basketball and dunk the ball, how is he considered one of the best players of all time?

Not really true, he actually had great footwork and post moves.

I thought my sarcasm was evident enough to show how stupid the OP was. Close this thread please lol.

[bisme37]

In regards to his traveling... a few years ago when we all started paying attention to him I thought the dude traveled on every play and was really annoyed about it.

Then as a little time went on I shifted my view and realized he's not really traveling as much as I thought he was and it only looks that way because of his long strides and crazy ability to cover distance.

But then as I've watched him even more and since he started getting a superstar whistle, my view has shifted back. It really does look like he gets away with traveling quite often. He shuffles his feet and commonly takes an entire extra bunny hop at the end of his move.

And while I'm at it the guy is allowed to foul more than other players as well. The refs call them early on but when he starts racking up a few they stop calling them completely. It's frustrating.

[Raptor_Guy]

All Shaq did was push people around the basketball and dunk the ball, how is he considered one of the best players of all time?

Not really true, he actually had great footwork and post moves.

I thought my sarcasm was evident enough to show how stupid the OP was. Close this thread please lol.

My bad.

[smythep]

Oh look, another thread about Giannis traveling even though it's clearly not an NBA travel. Glad we've got a lot of the usual suspects joining in.

Unbelievable some of the stuff I'm reading here. It's a shame the internet exists to give some of you the ability to share your opinions.

[Joerezz7]

All Shaq did was push people around the basketball and dunk the ball, how is he considered one of the best players of all time?

Not really true, he actually had great footwork and post moves.

I thought my sarcasm was evident enough to show how stupid the OP was. Close this thread please lol.

You think Giannis is a good post up player with great footwork

You shot yourself in the foot with this post Lol

[Danny1616]

When you average like 30, 13 and 7 on ultra efficiency and your team has the best record in the NBA you not only deserve to be in the top 5, but you are also arguably the best.

He's also the only superstar that doesn't have another legitimate star next to him.

Kawhi has George.

Lebron has AD.

Harden has Westbrook.

Curry has Klay.

Middleton is not near what players like George, AD, Westbrook and Klay are. If Giannis had anyone of those guys next to him the Bucks probably win the chip.

Lebron couldn't win a chip until he had Wade and Bosh and then Kyrie and Love alongside him. Until he gets players of that caliber next to him, it's going to be tough, because he isn't a guy who can close out a game with his lack of consistent outside shooting.

Close this thread.

The difference is that LeBron wasn't continually being exposed in the playoffs on an individual level like Giannis is with teams learning to wall him off.

LeBron in 2009 vs the Magic was of the best individual playoff performances, with heavy emphasis on the individual. Likewise nobody faulted LeBron in 2015 vs the Warriors.

You can't just pick and choose which series you want.

Lebron's struggles:

2007 finals vs. Spurs he averaged 22ppg and 7rpg on 35% from the field and 22% from 3.

2008 East semi-finals vs. Celtics he averaged 27ppg and 6rpg shooting 36% from the field and 23% from 3.

2010 Eastern conference finals vs. Celtics he averaged 27ppg and 9rpg on 45% from the field and 27% from 3.


Giannis led his team to the Eastern Conference Finals last year 23ppg and 14rpg on 45% from the field and 33% against an all-time great Raptors defense with Kawhi without another superstar level scorer beside him on the level of Kyrie or Wade.

He also demolished the Celtics last year averaging 28ppg and 11rpg on 52% from the field and 41% from 3.


You act as if Giannis is horrible in the playoffs and that's just not true. He's still very young and doesn't have a true superstar level scoring option beside him. Teams are able to put that wall because they aren't scared of another guy taking over the game. Are you trying to tell me that if you replaced Middleton with prime Wade or Kyrie that the Bucks wouldn't make the finals?

Again, Giannis is 25 years old and in his 7th year in the league so I don't know why you are bringing up 2015 Lebron.

[Tor_Raps]

Not really true, he actually had great footwork and post moves.

I thought my sarcasm was evident enough to show how stupid the OP was. Close this thread please lol.

You think Giannis is a good post up player with great footwork

You shot yourself in the foot with this post Lol

No, he was talking about Shaq. Shaq had great footwork in the post lol.

I was just trying to provide an example of another thing that people used to say about shaq to try to diminish him lol.

[Mylie10]

To the OP, you’re right....that’s all he does.....smh

[Dnt hate]

Seriously this guy’s game is laughable. He’s traveling on almost every play and the ref is not calling it. He tries to force his way to the hole even when its defenders there. Taking big steps is not a skill to me. The crazy part is that you only notice this about his game during the playoffs when the game slows down.

1st of all basketball is a 2 way sport, he is one of the best defensive players, and it's crazy to me that alot of ppl on here dont understand that, 2nd of all his team is just not that good name 1player you can replace Giannis with to win a ring with this team, u cant

[D.Brasco]

When you average like 30, 13 and 7 on ultra efficiency and your team has the best record in the NBA you not only deserve to be in the top 5, but you are also arguably the best.

He's also the only superstar that doesn't have another legitimate star next to him.

Kawhi has George.

Lebron has AD.

Harden has Westbrook.

Curry has Klay.

Middleton is not near what players like George, AD, Westbrook and Klay are. If Giannis had anyone of those guys next to him the Bucks probably win the chip.

Lebron couldn't win a chip until he had Wade and Bosh and then Kyrie and Love alongside him. Until he gets players of that caliber next to him, it's going to be tough, because he isn't a guy who can close out a game with his lack of consistent outside shooting.

Close this thread.

The difference is that LeBron wasn't continually being exposed in the playoffs on an individual level like Giannis is with teams learning to wall him off.

LeBron in 2009 vs the Magic was of the best individual playoff performances, with heavy emphasis on the individual. Likewise nobody faulted LeBron in 2015 vs the Warriors.

You can't just pick and choose which series you want.

Lebron's struggles:

2007 finals vs. Spurs he averaged 22ppg and 7rpg on 35% from the field and 22% from 3.

2008 East semi-finals vs. Celtics he averaged 27ppg and 6rpg shooting 36% from the field and 23% from 3.

2010 Eastern conference finals vs. Celtics he averaged 27ppg and 9rpg on 45% from the field and 27% from 3.


Giannis led his team to the Eastern Conference Finals last year 23ppg and 14rpg on 45% from the field and 33% against an all-time great Raptors defense with Kawhi.

He also demolished the Celtics last year averaging 28ppg and 11rpg on 52% from the field and 41% from 3.


You act as if Giannis is horrible in the playoffs and that's just not true. He's still very young and doesn't have a true superstar level scoring option beside him. Teams are able to put that wall because they aren't scared of another guy taking over the game. Are you trying to tell me that if you replaced Middleton with prime Wade or Kyrie that the Bucks wouldn't make the finals?

Again, Giannis is 25 years old and in his 7th year in the league so I don't know why you are bringing up 2015 Lebron.

2009 was my reference point as that year like Giannis he was a 25 year old MVP on a team who had the best record and he put up an all time performance that whole PO run.

Aside from 2010 he was actually younger than Giannis those years. In 2007 he was a 22 year old who majorly over-performed in the regular season and playoffs dragging that awful roster he had into the finals.

Young LeBron's supporting cast were much worse than what Giannis has had on the Bucks the last few seasons.

[Pablo Escobar]

A random 40yr old locked him down in fiba lol.

[Hindenburg]

I'm glad people are finally starting to notice his constant travelling. Its absurd, he travels on like every second possession and refs swallow the whistle 9/10 times. Take out his open lane dunks and his offense is unwatchable due to how clumsy he is with his steps and pivot feet.

[YogurtProducer]

If a guy with 1 move can be top 5 player in the NBA, that means the sport is crap and takes no skill. The fact the Heat have made him so pointless shows it takes more than driving to the hole to be a champion.

You just learned today that size and athleticism is the most important quality in an NBA player, didn't you?

Its not. Fortunately so.

Lol yes it is.

Why do you think there are not a bunch of 5 foot 9 dudes out there if size isn’t important? It’s an absolute must for you to be an elite athlete in the NBA to be an impactful player.

Lebron isn’t in the NBA if he is 6 foot and pounds with average athleticism. And by average I don’t mean NBA average, I mean like can’t touch the rim like an average American average.

[WAKEANT]

Yeah! Trade that overrated Giannis guy to a team that loves overrated players (Curry, Thompson, Green, Wiggins).
The Golden State Warriors

2 FRP + 2 SRP should be an overpay for single move player that always travels. lol

[WAKEANT]

I love all of this negative Giannis talk..... Golden State will take him! It will be ON again! light years!

[LesGrossman]

You just learned today that size and athleticism is the most important quality in an NBA player, didn't you?

Its not. Fortunately so.

Lol yes it is.

Why do you think there are not a bunch of 5 foot 9 dudes out there if size isn’t important? It’s an absolute must for you to be an elite athlete in the NBA to be an impactful player.

Lebron isn’t in the NBA if he is 6 foot and pounds with average athleticism. And by average I don’t mean NBA average, I mean like can’t touch the rim like an average American average.

It would be a pretty boring sport if you were right. Fortunately theres plenty examples out there of unathletic, but highly skilled and intelligent players outplaying stupid high leapers.